Obama in Chicago

New Yorker's Ryan Lizza. Go read...

And report back? (No fair going with the early quotes, either; read to the end.)

Comments

why now?

why didn't this run in January?

A Good Question

one worth asking Lizza.

Actually, a question to ask the editor

See my lament/rant here.

Short answer: The story didn't appear in January because Hendryk Herzberg was in the tank.

[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mahatma Gandhi

NY cover

did you see the cover? could it get anymore racist?

The cover is so small online...

.... I can't see it. What's racist about it?

[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mahatma Gandhi

here you go--& there's already fauxtrage from Obama's

Maybe Hendryk Herzberg got buyer's remorse

A little late, however.

[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mahatma Gandhi

A conspiracy-minded gal could think they commisioned that

cover to give Obama cover to criticize it and their story, and to divert attention from Obama's full right-wing Overton window-pulling.

Also, the New Yorker can't play innocent about this, since they played with this type of fire when they had a Valentine's Day cover of a Hasidic man and a black woman kissing:

http://tinyurl.com/5c2w9m

Play Innocent?

It's The New Yorker! Why would it be bothered to do that?

Because you referenced Lips, Art Spiegelman's IMO brilliant cover, I thought this 1995 Boston Book Review interview excerpt with him was enlightening, especially in light of today's environment:

H: What about this moment of the loss of innocence draws you?

AS: It's always what interests me; it's what exists between categories. It is when something is at the point of meeting something else but hasn't melted into it. The example I keep going back to is Seurat. I always like Seurat's paintings. Depending on where you stand you see either dots or people in a park. But it's not just a field of dots and it's not just people in a park. It's a point of discovery because there are no easy categories. It's true for Seurat, and it's true for this particular moment of the zeitgeist that takes place in the '20s, and it's true for comics becoming literature as they lose their central function as things that sell newspapers, let's say.

H: So breakdown of genre is the moment of possible discovery.

AS: It's not just a breakdown of genre; very often it's a breakdown of values. Genre is just the superficial manifestation.

H: People get used to looking at genre for guarantees. Fiction is fiction; nonfiction is nonfiction. When those sorts of distinctions weaken, it can be unnerving.

AS: And that's the terrifying moment that can lead to revelation. Nonfiction associates itself with the exterior world and fiction presumably deals with sensibility. There's a point where those things do and must meet. In Seurat, you have a post-Impressionist moment where the question is what is a picture? Is the rectangle a window or is it a canvas? Different values, different world views are implied in each answer. Not just a matter of style, not just a matter of craft. And there's a move eventually through Seurat to a certain kind of field abstraction. Whatever value I find in totally non-representational painting or in totally representational painting, the moment of collision is the one where I get the biggest charge. It's also true at the end of the '20s, before the '30s set in. That particular curdled innocence of the '20s is still central to me; and if there's a place where The Wild Party still remains relevant in today's world it has to do with something I can't fully articulate; it has to do with that particular collision, the collision between the world that rhymes and the world that doesn't.

H: This sheds a new light on your controversial 1993 Valentine's Day New Yorker cover in which, during the conflict between Hasidim and African Americans in Brooklyn, you portray a Hasidic man and a black woman embracing. Values and worlds colliding, meeting.

AS: It didn't come as a shock to me that this got people to sit up and take notice. I'm interested in visual signs; and that's certainly an aspect of the New Yorker cover and, in a very different way, part of The Wild Party project.

H: How does that apply to the New Yorker cover?

AS: The signs are highly recognizable. The sign for Hasid is clear and unavoidable, without the usual anti-Semitic physiognomy that goes with it. The sign for African-American woman is equally unavoidable, without entering into Aunt Jemima stereotypes or anything of the kind. Then there's this other sign that has to do with the Valentine's Card-the kiss, the field of red with the lacy decoration around it, all of it weaving together separate meanings. The irony is you have these two groups that are at each other's throats at each other's lips instead. That's supposed to conjure up carnality and yet Valentine's Day, the image of Valentine's Day, isn't about carnality but a kind of benign romantic love. All those things course through this image and the impossibility of it is what's so entertaining for me. What got people most upset that week was not other magazines with the usual S&M imagery-chains and whips, leather and hurt-but something quite benign on the surface, playing with signs. Reverend Dougherty, a representative of the black community in Crown Heights, was very upset I used a black woman: one more time, he said, a white man was oppressing a black woman. Why didn't I have a black man and a Hasidic woman, he asked on the radio. Maybe he's a good reverend, I don't know, but he's a rotten art director. A Hasidic man is a lot easier to recognize than a woman with a handkerchief on her head. In terms of visual signs you've got one thing that works and one thing that doesn't. Even more important, I answered him, if I had used a black man and Hasidic woman, you'd be complaining I was once again showing the black man as a rapist and defiler of white woman. This shows me the problem has nothing to do with the signs being shown but the reverberation of those signs in people's heads. The same thing happened in op-ed articles. There was an op-ed in the New York Times in which a woman who was very upset about the New Yorker cover writes about the Jew's lascivious lips. Another person, equally upset in the Washington Post, described the Jew's prim lips. Now you know I can't draw lips that are simultaneously lascivious and prim; I'm limited.

H: Sure you can.

AS: I did. I just drew lips.

[From: Wassup with the tiny url, already? ;-)]

Here's a more fleshed out version of the melodrama that played out:

Crown Heights: Blacks, Jews, and the 1991 Brooklyn Riot - Google Books Result

When the real action sorrowfully unfolded, people died, one of them a child. So serious real life and death stuff, no question. As serious as a candidate portraying himself other than what he is, for good or for ill depending on your POV, in a world of war and crises--not just another tricky day for him.

So, to The New Yorker, keep it intentional, though I agree with lambert on why this may regretfully be too little too damn late. Curses on Herzberg's ego waltzing with a couple of swell wannabes of Eustace Tilley.

[Note: Lots of linky goodness, but never forget there's no place like home.]

a new kind of nothing==

"... "[P]erhaps the greatest misconception about Barack Obama is that he is some sort of anti-establishment revolutionary. Rather, every stage of his political career has been marked by an eagerness to accommodate himself to existing institutions rather than tear them down or replace them....he has always played politics by the rules as they exist, not as he would like them to exist. He runs as an outsider, but he has succeeded by mastering the inside game." ..."

faux outrage?

I am livid, truly livid. Crude racist propoganda under color of edgy humor is not ok. serioulsy not ok.

this has consequences beyond Obama. What about the black guy who has a job interview tomorrow? or is meeting with a potential client? Or just needs to hail a cab? Ideas have consequences.

it is just sick

this wouldn't even be news if it wasn't for Obama's

people making it news--they're pissed about the article, and are attacking and making sure the whole world knows about the cover--it's not even on newsstands yet, i don't think.

Faux because most outragees are outed as faux liberals

The glee shown by so-called liberals over The New Republic's infamous "Hillary the mad bitch" cover exposes them.

There was no satire excuse for the Clinton cover, as the accompanying story set out to not ridicule misogyny but to in fact make the misogyny case.

If the Clinton cover had been used to satirize rather than promote misogyny, I can honestly say I would have tried to suck it up and laugh along. Many are finding they can do so with the Obama cover, which inarguably mocks racism in an arguably constructive fashion.

Incredibly, the New Republic is expressing outrage at the New Yorker cover: What Were They Thinking? I would have to kill myself if I worked for such people.

How the hell do we pull out from this descent into Bizarro World?!

Compare TNR's Clinton cover above with its Jan Obama cover

TNR, the outlet so outraged at the New Yorker.

To pull back a little bit

What about the Muslim/foreigner/The Other who has a job interview tomorrow?
I salute free speech in all its forms. However, this cover doesn't reveal any special insight, hint at anything relevant or even attempt to be satirical or funny.
Just really poor, poor taste and worse decision making.

That's zooming in, not pulling back

I don't see why your comment is posted as a reply to mine, as it doesn't address my point, CS. I along with many others have other comments here assessing the cover on its own merits, or lack thereof. That's a separate issue from faux-progressive hypocrisy.

That said... a satirist prodding social progress must always be asking herself/himself questions like yours, must evaluate the risk of the satire being misunderstood and used to prop up the very social ill being lampooned. The risk is always there, so the balancing act is rarely a simple one.

Check any poll on any question in America and you will see that we always have our 5-10% lunatic fringe that are virtually unreachable. If they became our "test audience" for satire, it would be the death of one of society's most powerful weapons against evil. I've looked since the cover came out, and so far it appears the New Yorker correct, with misunderstanding confined to the lunatic fringe whose minds were already made up anyway.

To honestly answer your question, I truly believe the Muslim on a job interview will be in an America that's safer for Muslims by encouraging liberal satire like this. Plus, I believe the loud cries that having Obama dressed as a Muslim is the ultimate line-crossing simply reinforces the notion that Muslim dress is the ultimate horror -- a terrible message.

Irony and Satire

here you go--& there's already fauxtrage from Obama's campaign

I know the words "Irony" and "Satire" are frequently missused to rationalize stupidity and bigotry, but it's pretty clear to me that that cover is just ridiculing all the racist memes the media's thrown around about Obama. I mean the "fist jab?" That's obviously a joke. Though I could see, if someone made a cackling, big-butted harpy image of Clinton standing outside of a building labeled "Probate Court" with the same intentions, the "satire" argument probably wouldn't sit well with me. I doubt anyone at Obama's campaign or many of the people who post at HuffPo would bat an eye, however.

except that it's his campaign ginning this up--

it's not the New Yorker or the artist, or anyone except for Obama's people making this a big deal--to distract from the article itself? as punishment for the article? ...

it's them who are using this for their own purposes-- "... Obama campaign spokesman Bill Burton called it "tasteless and offensive" and, according to Jake Tapper at ABC, another high-profile Obama supporter called it "as offensive a caricature as any magazine could publish." ..."

Did you say HuffPo?

Check the examples. Sauce for the gander...

[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mahatma Gandhi

Oops... great minds think alike

I posted the TNR Clinton cover before I saw your link here or the Confluence post.

My link, BTW, is to Shakesville, which has been great about documenting both racism and sexism.

some of the artist's other covers--

-- http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/07/13... --

Bush/Cheney as Oscar and Felix of Odd Couple, Ahmadinejad as Larry Craig...

"... And in retrospect, given the outcry, is he glad he made the art?

"Retrospect? Outcry?" he wrote. "The magazine just came out ten minutes ago, at least give me a few days to decide whether to regret it or not..." ..."

Gad

One of McGovern's problems, IIRC, is that lots of people really disliked his supporters....

[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mahatma Gandhi

Are you suggesting

some sort or eerie historical parallel?? Why Lambert, don't you know that there has never been a candidate like Obama and there never will be again!

Thanks to him, the past is irrelevant. History has been vanquished (and therefore, Francis Fukuyama is vindicated (sadly)!). Hope and change are now the new zeitgeist.

Jean-Francois Lyotard turns in his grave as Obama has produced the ultimate Grand Narrative that we all thought was dead, heralding the transformative era of post-post-modernism (po-po-mo for short).

Those of us still stuck in the old justice, FDRish narrative, watch as the great march of Hope and Change, passes us by, clingy and bitter (and racists too), relics of another era now displaced by the young cohorts of shiny new voters/citizens activists, ready to crash the gates that were supposed to have crashed a few years ago.

About that article....

I actually read it. Anyone else?

After thinking it over, over a sinkful of dishes, the article seems noteworthy more for what it didn't say than for what it did. Much of the Chicago background stuff was filling in details of an outline I've already seen a few times. How Obama got from law school to the state legislature was already kind of known; now we have more vivid detail of that. But Lizza doesn't attempt to go any further than that, not even really addressing the way the Senate campaign happened, let alone the Presidential one. I've just realized I don't even know how Obama came to give the speech at the 2004 convention. Is this common knowledge?

That's the biggest disappointment for me -- I don't think this rather long article really told me much I didn't already know, and the questions I still have turned out to be beyond its scope. The rather flip ending implies that the presidential stuff happened purely because of Obama's charisma, smarts, and ambition. I can't believe there isn't more to the story. Am I foily?

Then there are the things I do know that were left out, like the Rezko house-buying affair and the slumlord angle exposed in detail by the Boston Globe.

All in all, a well-written article that left me feeling that I would have been wiser to spend the time playing the fiddle.

Policy not party!

Well read, GOB!

The article ends with Obama walking down the street after having given his 2004 speech, but there's not a word in the article about how that came to be. Not one fucking word. Now, I know that the article's title is "Obama in Chicago," and the convention was in Boston, but still, that lacuna is obvious.

Why, it's almost like Lizza doesn't want to write about the national Democratic Party -- Dean, the DNC, Daschle, Reid, Pelosi -- at all. Odd, that.

NOTE This is interesting on Rezko and redistricting (though Obama knew Rezko before that:

Like every other Democratic legislator who entered the inner sanctum, Obama began working on his “ideal map.” Corrigan remembers two things about the district that he and Obama drew. First, it retained Obama’s Hyde Park base—he had managed to beat Rush in Hyde Park—then swooped upward along the lakefront and toward downtown. By the end of the final redistricting process, his new district bore little resemblance to his old one. Rather than jutting far to the west, like a long thin dagger, into a swath of poor black neighborhoods of bungalow homes, Obama’s map now shot north, encompassing about half of the Loop, whose southern portion was beginning to be transformed by developers like Tony Rezko, and stretched far up Michigan Avenue and into the Gold Coast, covering much of the city’s economic heart, its main retail thoroughfares, and its finest museums, parks, skyscrapers, and lakefront apartment buildings. African-Americans still were a majority, and the map contained some of the poorest sections of Chicago, but Obama’s new district was wealthier, whiter, more Jewish, less blue-collar, and better educated. It also included one of the highest concentrations of Republicans in Chicago.
“It was a radical change,” Corrigan said. The new district was a natural fit for the candidate that Obama was in the process of becoming. “He saw that when we were doing fund-raisers in the Rush campaign his appeal to, quite frankly, young white professionals was dramatic.”

Haw. Rezko and the "creative class" are two sides of the same coin (the common factor being, as Xenophon would be the first to say, gentrification. Nobody would have predicted...

[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mahatma Gandhi

john corrigan is a racist!

“He saw that when we were doing fund-raisers in the Rush campaign his appeal to, quite frankly, young white professionals was dramatic.”

isn't this basically what bill clinton was saying? and to some extent, geraldine ferarro?

that bit about the gerrymandering was probably the only thing i hadn't already read about elsewhere, and it was the part i found most interesting. but that's mostly because i've been ranting, futilely it would seem, about the evils of gerrymandering.

the article was a nice explication of chicago machine and anti-machine politics, even if it appears to whitewash obama's participation a bit [ok, a lot]. i was left with the same feeling about obama as i am after reading some superhero comics, where the heroes are flawed, partially corrupted by the corrupt system/world they're a part of, but ultimately their good natures prevail and evil is once again held at bay.

The middle class is so outre

"Rezko and the “creative class” are two sides of the same coin (the common factor being, as Xenophon would be the first to say, gentrification.)"

Lambert, what you're pointing out in this story helps clarify for me in part where Obama and the new Dems are headed, and explains a lot of the dynamics that have mystified me. The kind of forces it puts into play, unfortunately, do not seem benevolent to me.

The end of the Ryan Lizza article about Obama

Lambert, the brag from Obama takes place late in the afternoon before he gives the keynote:

Marty Nesbitt remembers Obama’s utter calm the day he gave his celebrated speech at the 2004 Democratic National Convention, in Boston, which made him an international celebrity and a potential 2008 Presidential candidate. “We were walking down the street late in the afternoon,” Nesbitt told me. “And this crowd was building behind us, like it was Tiger Woods at the Masters.”

“Barack, man, you’re like a rock star,” Nesbitt said.

“Yeah, if you think it’s bad today, wait until tomorrow,” Obama replied.

“What do you mean?”

“My speech,” Obama said, “is pretty good.”

Not sure what you see here as so significant, either way. It isn't a brag if you deliver, and Obama delivered. If it is because Lizza doesn't discuss who asked Obama to speak, it was Kerry's call and I'm not sure why that is particularly significant either. Obama was a hot item that summer, definitely a rising star. Can't believe that Kerry at that point was putting Obama up for 2008; he would instead have been expecting to be running himself, for his second term as President.

The whole article is just a rehash of earlier reports, with no worthwhile analysis at all. Filler to justify the cover, apparently. The cover itself is an attempt at parody that doesn't work because it isn't funny; the whole project is very odd, and not helpful to Obama in the least. Repetition of lies never helps unless the lede is the truth. Whenever the lie is at the beginning it gets reinforced, no matter how thorough the debunking that follows.

Why would a crowd be following him?

His first book was a flop (it did better on reissue later) and he hadn't given his 2004 speech yet. His second book came out in 2006.

His 2002 Anti-war speech hadn't even been covered by the media at the time.

He was running second in the Illinois primary until the frontrunner had to quit.

What had he done to inspire crowds????

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Obama was quite famous

Here in Jet, here in the NYT.

IIRC, he and Ken Salizar were the only real prospects for Democratic pickups, and Salazar's race was close while Obama would clearly win in a walkaway. He was young, charismatic, black, gave a good speech, was as clean as a politician could be and was going to be the only black in the new Senate. He was a winner, and everyone who was watching national politics knew he had a bright future. He was hardly plucked from obscurity.

Far be it from me to say you're projecting, bringiton....

... but I really, and only meant that I wanted people to read to the end of the article. That's because I didn't want people retailing bits from the beginning of the article -- like the "we don't want nobody nobody sent," which is funny and revealing, but also a very well-known anecdote.

Sometimes, gentlemen, a cigar is just a cigar.

[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mahatma Gandhi

Well shame on you then

for enticing me into reading that whole dreary sonorous drone of repetition to no good end.

I want my cigar now, please.

Who did ask Obama to deliver the Keynote in 2004?

Surprised to see this asked, it was Kerry who as the presumptive nominee was in the same position that Obama is now with regard to control over the Convention agenda. Assume staff put together a list of potentials, but the decision was Kerry's. Obama was a hot topic, having just won the Democratic Senatorial primary and so a shoe-in to be the fifth (I think) black Senator ever.

Also surprised to discover how difficult it was to find a source to cite for that factoid but here it is, Kerry from an interview with HuffPo:

“…I'm the one who invited him to speak at our convention in 2004….”

I have a vague memory...

... and I don't know the source, that Obama had already been singled out as a comer before his speech, obviously, and by, of all people, Howard Dean. I don't see how that could be so, given that Dean's defeat and the Convention happened within a few months of each other, but that's my memory.

[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mahatma Gandhi

dean dozens, 2004

Seven of Seventy-Two

Hell of a stealth program there. That Dean fellah is so much more impressive than he first appears. Too bad he didn't apply all that cleverness to running for President himself...oh, wait....

obviously...

he's better at stealth than openness. or got better at wooing independents and exploiting the web [pdf] with practice. or...

about those bonus delegates, that scheme was apparently hatched in december 2006, but by early-mid 2006 obama already wasn't not running for president. maybe there wasn't any way to predict that north carolina would help him in the primary, but it's quite plausible that having more delegates in later primaries, rather than early ones, would benefit a candidate who started the season as a relative unknown.

Yeah, and what an asshole Kerry is, to be sure

Read the HuffPo article bringiton links to to see Kerry run the "I did not inhale" riff, which, naturally, applies to Hillary, or, should I say in this case, OfBill?

Can I get a refund for the money Kerry collected to challenge the OH 2004 results?

[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mahatma Gandhi

they may be distracting from this too--Lobbyist funding Denver-

Democrats Look to Lobbyist to Finance Convention

It was Durbin and Kerry who gave Obama the 04 spot, no?

UnitedHealth Group, AT&T, [& some others]: DNC sponsors

how about that.

As a result of Mr. Farber’s efforts, dozens of organizations have signed up as corporate sponsors of the Denver convention, including six that are lobbying clients of his firm: UnitedHealth Group, AT&T Comcast, the National Association of Home Builders, Western Union and Google. In return for these donations, which can go up to $1 million or more, sponsors are promised prominent display space for corporate marketing and access to elected officials and Democratic leaders at a large number of parties and receptions.

Maybe we could sell naming rights to the candidates?

We could get rid of that pesky Barack "Hussein" Obama and replace it with Barack "AT&T Comcast" Obama (in honor of Obama's FISA vote). I'm sure the solidity of corporate branding would reassure everybody...

[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mahatma Gandhi

Lambert, that idea has already been novelized

Max Barry's "Jennifer Government"... an excellent book.

as always, Atrios nails it

Shouting "n****r" is ok as long as you mean it ironically.

that cover is a Earl Buzt, George Allen, disaster

A conspiracy-minded gal could think they commisioned that

cover just to give the Obama team something to divert everyone's attention... just as the dad of the Obama campaign manager says an epithet that is one step of asking Obama to be lynched, to divert attention from the campaign's hard-right Overton window-pulling and the missed targets in recent fundraising.

And don't tell me they didn't know the impact of what they did -- they had the same brouhaha over a Hasidic Jewish man kissing a dreadlocked black woman, drawn by Art Spiegelman, that had NYC spouting off for months.

http://tinyurl.com/5c2w9m

One might very well think that; I couldn't possibly comment....

@cg.eye

Did you post this twice on purpose?

A Conspiracy-minded Gal Could Think They Commisioned That

Submitted by cg.eye on Mon, 2008-07-14 02:19.

&

Submitted by cg.eye on Mon, 2008-07-14 03:01.

I got soooo confused, scrolling back and forth!

I looked for this post for a half-hour, to no avail, on the

blog post list -- then I had to reconstruct it.

It *wasn't* my imagination that I already posted it.

Tell me again, why we think we have any voice at all in politics

Judy Black, wife of Charles Black, works with Steve Farber.

Steve Farber is as high as one gets in Denver in re lobbying power.

Hickenlooper's been the public face of 'oh, no, we don't want anyone to think we're selling access'. Guess they're replacing the peace chief with the war chief....

Mr. Farber’s firm also represents the former Liggett tobacco company and a trade group seeking to retain tax breaks for wealthy hedge fund investors.

Most recently, Mr. Farber’s firm joined forces, through mergers, with the leading law firm in Las Vegas representing gambling companies and the leading firm in Los Angeles representing water interests.

“I have my list of companies, not only my client list, but companies throughout Colorado and the Rocky Mountain region,” Mr. Farber said in a telephone interview. “We’ve got offices in Las Vegas and California, so I have clients that we can contact, and I have friends of clients that I intend to contact. And if they have given to the convention already, I try to get them to double their contribution.”

Mr. Obama’s well-publicized statements denouncing special interest money have done little to dampen Mr. Farber’s efforts. In Mr. Farber’s view, money to the convention — an issue Mr. Obama has not addressed directly — is different from money to the candidates themselves.

“The money to the convention doesn’t go to the candidates or the Democratic National Committee, but to the host committee to pay for the cost of the convention,” Mr. Farber said. “So what he has said doesn’t inhibit it.”

This ain't about local companies; he represents multinationals who perch in Colorado because of resources, regulations, or both. The NY Times article wasn't a warning; it was notice that the DNC's open for bidness.

Just keep talking and saying

BoG (pronounced like Bogey? Like the actor?)
Seriously, just keep pointing stuff out. Oh good, that's what we do here!

Because either 1)they know what they're doing and will admit it later (it was "just politics") or 2) they are prejudiced (against certain genders, against certain types of skin color, etc.) and we can let them know we see and object to it, narrowing the acceptable range--and maybe someday they will understand it themselves.

FrenchDoc, if we do political novels as a theme for next week's Book Review, will you write a review of "Jennifer Government" for us? I agree, an interesting book with some timely scares...

You can call me Bo

as in "Derek." It's an old nickname based on someone's hallucinatory idea of a resemblance. Though understandably a little confusing with a favorite subject's initials. Gardiner may or may not be my real last name... I keep forgetting.

You mean like...

... don't BoGardiner that joint?

[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mahatma Gandhi

Puns are the lowest form of humor.

(Intoned my fave English teacher regularly). Guess that's why I luv 'em. Lambert, you win for being the first to make that joke I've been expecting. My name works on more levels for me too, but privacy precludes my sayin'.

Much, I suppose, as yours does for many of you. As for Lambert, I suspect those European affinities helped keep you from surrendering with the other bloggers to the muck of American Democratic politics.

glitch here.

glitch here.

Bo

You are modest.

Perhaps you "gardin"?

Or like Chance Gardiner?

(Definitely keep your privacy!! I vote for internet privacy!)

Chauncey's my middle name

I LOVE to watch.

Birds.

Racism?

DCBlogger, there's some discussion about racism in that piece here.

I don't think screaming RACISM is going to help the O campaign any more than the picture itself. All it does is inoculate conservative voters against any future, perhaps legitimate, accusations.

It's obvious that the depiction was meant as a look into the most fevered conservative imagination; MO is Angela Davis reborn, sworn to fighting the powers that control the awful U.S. that she's never been proud of before now, and BO is a secret Muslim, hell bent on turning the U.S. into a totalitarian Islamic State (as opposed to the Totalitarian Christian State that he's busy working on building). Remember the silly rumors that the 'fist bump' was some terrorist symbol?

Someone made a funny point, though: It would have been funnier (and perhaps more effective) had it been McCain and his wife instead of Obama.

C'mon, though: The 'Creative Class' is so sophisticated and above the usual rabble that they should understand this illustration for what it is: A portrayal of how utterly ridiculous the Right has gotten in its attempts to describe Obama to their constituents. Those who hate Obama will not be disappointed; those who love Obama will nod their heads knowingly. Those who don't get it are obviously not the kind of people Obama wants as his constituency, because they are 'unsophisticated', natch.

This cover is a complete litmus test, and it is helping to define EXACTLY who (or what) Obama's most vociferous supporters are. This outrage over this cover isn't about the color of Obama's skin; it's about the thickness of it.

I'd try to play dumb, but I'm not that smart.

There's gonna be a test?

Heh.

I saw it more as a Rorschach test. [And apparently there's a distinction I had to look up. Here's Litmus test.]

I saw the Obama caricature slyly eyeing the audience, as if to ask us, the observers, "What do you think--what do you see? Are these the new Emperors' new clothes or just the same old tawdry rags of power politics?" Thus the potential for us to project our impressions upon the "cartoon," without all the chatter of the village denizens.

The resulting fallout is almost as wild as the sketch.

In fairness: I voted for Clinton and, thus tapped out of any reserves of empathy, I'm likely to play down the racist angle and not even use up my few remaining cards.

Sigh. Does anybody know how many soldiers were killed and or wounded yesterday in Afghanistan?

I always thought Lambert's name

might be a Henry James thing.

Expect gamed "Chicago politics" with Obama

yeah--he's been playing that way nationally too. And it's so easy with the DNC right there.

Summary of the rules anyone?

I still can't picture crowds following him

Boston must be a weird town.

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Well yes, Obviously

How could I have missed that?

You give these people credit for capabilities that I dearly wish they had. Afraid I'm unable to agree with you, as I see them more in the bumblefuck category. Not stupid people, but it does seem to me that rather than skillfully planning at multiple levels of depth and complexity they more often make things up as they go.

Did this Cabal of Prescience also foresee that Mark Penn would advise Hillary Clinton, and she would consent, that he could bring her the nomination without having to compete in every state? How far in advance did they know that? Did they know it before Hillary did?

Well before the time the primaries actually got underway, everyone knew which states were when and how many delegates were up for grabs in each. For that order of appearance to be part of some plot to shift the delegate weighting, both the states that hung back to gain bonus delegates and the states that moved up at the cost of those delegates had to be acting in concert. Were the Florida and Michigan Democratic Parties both part of the Stop Hillary movement? Wouldn't a cabal that massive and coordinated have been able to be more effective and gotten the victory wrapped up sooner?

Looking back at any complex event, patterns appear that seem to suggest coordination or collaboration where there isn't any and prescience where there was only happenstance. Much of what looks like cleverness on Obama's part actually depended upon, was driven by, Hillary's mistakes. Her screwups made him possible as much as anything else. Were they also foreseen?

I do wish that the Democratic Party heirarchy were this capable, but all the evidence available over many years argues against it. Right now it appears that they may have been so clever that they managed to turn a sure victory into a cliffhanger, maybe even a loss. Real smart bunch. I am so impressed.

Not.

cabal of prescience! here, have some tinfoil.

i've got more....

How could I have missed that?

dunno. haven't you been paying attention to democracy for america? it's been plain as the nose onyour face, howard dean has been really getting into this empire party building stuff.

bill clinton was a key speaker at the 1988 convention, and won the 1992 election 4 years later. obama was a key speaker at the 2004 convention, not a stretch to think he was being groomed for 2008. quite a stable dfa built up in a short time though, so it's also not a stretch to think they had some backups in mind if obama didn't work out.

you don't need all that collusion you postulate.

if your preferred candidate is going to start the race as an unknown, one of the ways you can put a thumb on the scale is to decrease the number of delegates awarded in the beginning and increase the delegates awarded later, gives your horse a bit more time in the public eye before the voting starts up in earnest.

all you need is a rules committee that's willing to impose draconian sanctions on any state that moves too far forward [and michigan had already tried it once before, so there was every reason to expect it to happen again]. sweetening the pot with extra delegates for later states was probably one of those ideas that just pop into peoples' heads further along in the process, and somebody saw a possible way to make use of it.

doesn't matter which camp you're in -- nader threw the 2000 election with his measly 2% of the popular vote or florida's 537 votes decided the 2000 election -- if you believe either of those scenarios was the key, then all you need is an organization that's both willing and able to take advantage of a handful of small differences as they come up.

the fact that the dnc brought this off -- just barely, i grant you -- is a testament to dean's behind-the-scenes maneuvering and axelrod's marketing abilities, because hillary was well-placed to win this primary on name recognition alone.

Right now it appears that they may have been so clever that they managed to turn a sure victory into a cliffhanger, maybe even a loss. Real smart bunch.

that part i'll agree with. the obama faction of the party did their homework on what it would take to win amongst their fellow democrats, but fell down flat on the rest of it, apparently not making the required effort to study either the republican opposition or the wider voting public. oops.

then again, as has been posited here by lambert [and others?], the real goal may just have been wresting control of the party away from the clintons, with the actual presidency only being a nice-to-have and not a have-to-have in 2008.

You give these people credit for capabilities that I dearly wish they had. Afraid I’m unable to agree with you, as I see them more in the bumblefuck category. Not stupid people, but it does seem to me that rather than skillfully planning at multiple levels of depth and complexity they more often make things up as they go.

well, that's sorta what i've been saying. dean's been building a base, and early on they brainstormed a bunch of posible tactics and picked their candidate, and then as things progressed, took advantage of enough of the mistakes the opposition made.

i've long thought that organization is the root of all evil [see: party, republican], so i'd actually prefer this was all the result of bumblefuckery.

About the Rules Committee and draconian sanctions

IIRC, and I do, Harold Ickes and the Clinton Bloc also voted for the full sanctions against MI and FL. At the time, it the Clinton camp that thought they could game the system by reducing the number of big state early primaries and thus run over all the other candidates and crush them before they got started.

That was Clinton's error, and it worked in Obama's favor, but it wasn't a tactic that Obama and Brazile strongarmed through all by themselves. If Ickes and the Clinton faction on R&B had wanted to do a lesser penalty, they had the votes then to do so.

I see you have tinfoil to spare

Recent Democratic Convention Keynote speakers IIRC:

1976: Barbara Jordan

1980: Ted Kennedy

1984: Mario Cuomo

1988: Ann Richards (Bill Clinton gave the opening night address, for which he was roundly panned; his biggest applause line was when he said "And in conclusion...")

1992: A trio; Bill Bradley, Zell Miller, Barbara Jordan

1996: Evan Bayh

2000: Harold Ford

That would be 0/9 for Keynote speakers going on to become President, not a promising prognosticator for Barack.

And the idea that floating Obama was primarily (yes, pun) a way to grasp control of the Democratic Party (From whom? The Clintons? Were they in control when Gore or Kerry were nominated? Did they gain control after Kerry lost? How? In what way?) and that the Democratic leadership doesn't care about winning the Presidency only makes sense if you've been wearing the tinfoil hat while plugged into an electric fence.

No off-fence intended.

How does anyone with Obama's resume

raise $99 million before a single vote is cast?

The magical internet meme is bullshit. Dean raised far less in 2003-04 running on an anti-war platform.

Obama ran on an Obama platform, and raised more money than everyone except Hillary combined.

By December 2007 Obama was the "establishment" candidate and had a 50-state political machine.

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No, I'm not offended...

... but surely "doesn't care" is a distortion of "nice-to-have" vs. "have-to-have"? See under Institutions, iron law of.

[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mahatma Gandhi

So OK, maybe it isn't tinfoil and electricity

Maybe shellac fumes...?

No bigger prize for either party than the presidency. Some individuals may calculate that a loss in '08 would benefit them down the road, but they would be running a huge risk and most politicians are risk-adverse when acting alone.

For those already at the top, and let's make that list Pelosi, Reid, Dean, the House and Senate major committee chairs, the Governors and the big-money donors, all of them would have greater power, influence, money and a brighter political future with a Democrat - any Democrat - in the White House than not.

And while there may be reasonable disagreement about which of the two is a bigger electability risk, an argument where I have been very forthright about my feelings, both Obama and Clinton were a bigger gamble than putting up another centrist white man. Collectively, the dominant factions of the Democratic Party were willing to take a chance that the country would accept a non-white-male as president; not a small gamble and one that could plausably work this year but perhaps not another for a long time to come. Putting up either of them, Hillary or Barack, is a bigger roll of the dice than I wanted to see; a very bold and historic move and part of me is a little ashamed that I can't be more enthusiastic about backing it. Getting conservative in my old age, perhaps, wanting to play safe for a change.

If you're going to argue that Obama is a throw-away tool used to try and claim control of the Party, Hillary would have to be seen in the same light; the two of them are not that different in their political stance and both are high-risk as candidates. It does not make a lick of sense to me to conclude that that the entire top Democratic heirarchy, both the Clinton and the not-Clinton camps, cares less than a whole lot about winning the presidency.

The argument is that the now-dominant Democratic Party faction is willing to risk losing the presidency with Obama because winning it with Hillary is too frightening for them to accept. For me, that just does not compute.

I think it is more likely

That the party pushed Obama(which they did, there can be no denying it, how far they went to ensure his nomination, is still open for discussion) because they didn't believe that there was anyway possible a Dem could lose this election.

So they backed Obama, because they could control the agenda, because with Clinton, they couldn't. I don't think the party encouraged the Obama camp in their relentless use of misogyny to get elected, because that would be the one thing that could be a party breaker. I'm still pissed they didn't stand up more to it, though.

Bill Clinton for First Dude!!!

He who will not reason is a bigot; he who cannot is a fool; and he who dares not is a slave.
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Slightly Different Argument, BIO

at least from me. I would argue that the Democratic leadership, which mostly consist of the non-Clinton block of the party like Pelosi and Dean, think they will win no matter who they put up this year. So the question becomes who benefits them most and that would be Obama. Would Dean get another term as head of the DNC under Clinton? Unlikely. But that's one of the first things announced after Obama secured the nomination. Coincidence?

They went with Obama because prior to this election he did not have his own block of power in the Democratic Party. He needed theirs. They gave it to him in order to keep their hold on power. That's politics, but to act like they sat around and made some logical, reasoned decision - when there is no evidence they did so - on what's best for the party (as opposed to themselves) is ridiculous. All you had to watch was 30 minutes of that Rules Committee to know these folks don't give a god-damn about what's best for the party. They could've arrived at the same end result (Obama as nominee) in a lot of less offensive and divisive ways, but they were more interested in putting Clinton in her place. That's the only explanation for the Michigan fiasco where they took votes away from her and counted them as Obama's. It gained him so few delegates, it was unnecessary to the end result and was one of the most divisive things they could do (even as they repeatedly screamed for Unity).

Nope, they figure they'll win in November no matter what (that's where all the "they have no where else to go" bullshit comes from) so might as well go with the guy they think they can control, who will raise them lots of money, bring in new voters, and let them no longer have to worry about the Clinton wing of the party. Whether they're right about any of that, is another matter. I tend to think the current leadership has a combined political IQ of, maybe, 35 points. But, hey, maybe they're really genuises and I'm too stupid to understand all their brilliant moves.

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