A commenter at The Agonist explains it all in a few well-chosen words:
Henry Ford was a tight old bastard,
but he paid his workers twice what he had to, because he understood the people making the product had to be able to afford to buy it.
The irony here is those squeezing labor, here and in China, are destroying their collective market. Not only the market for manufactured goods, but the investment markets based on manufacturing. The economy has to have a convection cycle of rising assets and precipitating benefits, or it breaks down. Healthy labor is healthy consumers. How hard is that to figure?
Growth is bottom up. When the system gets too top heavy, it collapses. Supply side economics was hit the wall and that's all there is to it. The bankers and the plutocrats have all the money, but nothing to do with it. They have become a shell which needs to be shed.
brodix August 24, 2009 - 8:56pm
To answer his question: It's very hard to figure when you're paid to obscure.
- Randall Kohn's blog
- Login or register to post comments



Front page


Comments
Henry Ford
Yes, he was a bastard. He financed a lot of Father Coughlin's crap in the 1930s. The ban on the people having access to automatic weapons (machine guns) was sponsored by Ford . He was building machine gun nests on the top of his plants when the change occurred because the union organizers were targeting his plants.
When I found out that it was illegal to own machine guns in the 1950s, I asked my mother why my grandfather had a Thompson machine gun in the early fifties. She said my grandfather believed that his best chance in life was to do exactly the opposite of anything Henry Ford did.
When she was dying, she told me where she had buried the Thompson. After she died, I dug it up but 30 years in the ground had destroyed it so I just refilled the hole.
Self exile
Is the suggestion that
we increase the interest rates on US debt so China has more money to buy bonds?
I have long thought
And continue to believe more strongly as the years go by, that this trope about Ford is pure BS.
Just going with my gut here, but I think this is one of the mythifications of things people like to pull out and use as a "truth" when it suits their argument.
Wasn't around back then but I get the feeling they didn't call the captains of industry preceding Ford "Robber Barons" in jest.
Nice way for y'all to miss the point ENTIRELY.
Henry Ford was the lede, not the subject. A fairly incidental lede at that.
JFK has been shot, we miss him a lot
He always knew what to do
-- Philly Cream
It's like starting a physics paper with 2 + 2 = 5
It appeared the Henry Ford anecdote was the only echo of evidence for the posters conclusions, which is why that aspect received comments.
"Growth is bottom up. When the system gets too top heavy, it collapses. Supply side economics was hit the wall and that's all there is to it. The bankers and the plutocrats have all the money, but nothing to do with it. They have become a shell which needs to be shed." - We couldn't have said much about that as there's no evidence or examples for one to agree or disagree.
Now I do share the conclusion that we need to get rid of the bankers as they exist now but under such a scenario his previous claim becomes false "The economy has to have a convection cycle of rising assets and precipitating benefits, or it breaks down. ". That is, if he's saying what I think he's saying.
The poster's conclusions were FUCKING OBVIOUS to anyone
who has eyes to see and a brain to sort the images.
Yes, growth begins from the bottom up. I'd give you a link but I don't know how to link to the whole world and its entire history.
JFK has been shot, we miss him a lot
He always knew what to do
-- Philly Cream
And then the top gets
heavy and the economy falls over. I read it.
Isn't it interesting?
Isn't it interesting how someone provides jobs for people and they get labeled robber barons? Speaking of the car industry, how come non-union auto makers are the only manufacturers that are making a profit? You remember profits, don't you? Profits allow the owner to keep paying workers a salary, contribute to pension and profit sharing, pay for some or all of the health insurance costs, pay federal and state income taxes, pay for research, pay for advertising, and on and on and on. Whenever I reached a point in my lifetime where I thought I was worth more than what I was being paid, I moved on to something else. Sometimes it was a good move, sometimes not. But I never complained about an opportunity. It was up to me to find what I needed in this life. casino en ligne
That's one vote for "proud scab."
.
JFK has been shot, we miss him a lot
He always knew what to do
-- Philly Cream
Henry Ford's philosophy was that if he paid workers enough he'd
make money from what they bought with their wages.
Oh, and the non-union carmakers in the US are going bust. Toyota tops the list.
We can admit that we’re killers … but we’re not going to kill today. That’s all it takes! ~ Captain James T. Kirk, Stardate 3193.0
1 John 4:18
Not true.
And honestly, like really totally retarded. Seriously, not understanding micro-economic principals makes the words that be come out the mouth realtarded sound. It's like watching a chimp perform brain surgery...if the chimp also requires that I pay for the brain surgery.
Henry Ford CUT COSTS by increasing the wage which reduced employee turnover which reduced training...hence a reduction in gross labor expenditure. Employee turnover was high, this point made by Ford himself, because of the monotony of the assembly line.
It was never his philosophy to set employee wages so that they could buy his own products. He set wages to reduce overall costs which lowered the price of the vehicles. How do you lower costs while increasing labor rates? Through productivity gains (the assembly line).
This is an example of the mutual benefit that occurs in capitalism...not a reason to demand business pay their employees above productive return.
US Carmakers with gov provided union protection wouldn't exist right now if it wasn't for a bailout. Translation: gov't protected unions destroy business OR taxpayers are forced to subsidize increased benefits.
man's own words, Samuel, so who's retarded here? Oh, and
Toyota isn't profitable in the US.Toyota isn't profitable in the US and the carmakers have since announced the closure of NUMMI.
Ford had this figured out 100 years ago. A further excerpt from the same source as that quote of Ford's line:
Do you begin to understand the problem yet?
We can admit that we’re killers … but we’re not going to kill today. That’s all it takes! ~ Captain James T. Kirk, Stardate 3193.0
1 John 4:18
So...
what is the point here? CEO pay is high because they don't understand how to make money by paying workers even more? Is the thesis that we should pay more interest on outstanding bonds so that China can buy even more bonds?
Not saying Ford didn't say this, but that it's logically incoherent which I illustrated with words, I wrote, in a sequence. If you want to show my how I'm wrong, approach those. Also, this may just be me, but what link has him saying this?
Re Car Companies:
Toyota
GM
How can you not acknowledge
a) Toyota is doing much better.
b) Their workers are in a government protected union which is one of the reasons they are slowing production in the US...back to the point of you cannot increase wages without increasing productivity.
I called you retarded because of the things you say. In my short experience with you all I can surmise is
-you think increasing labor costs increase profitability
-that Toyota is worse off than government seized US car companies
-the tarp fund has turned profitable
-if someone "says" something or is alleged to have said something, then it's an economic principal, this w/o any economic reasoning supplementing it.
-you sited an ENTIRELY FREE MARKET voluntary program called AXO as evidence for the minimum wage. the program involved no regulatory agency, accepted goods instead of cash (which was why it was successful) and wow, it's really unbelievable.
Anyway, if anything about that list is concerning you let me know, I'm not genius but can offer a methodology which will immediately elevate you out of these kettledrums.
As my buddy Bringiton used to say and lambert still does
not investing time, energy or argument on this any more.
We can admit that we’re killers … but we’re not going to kill today. That’s all it takes! ~ Captain James T. Kirk, Stardate 3193.0
1 John 4:18
You never had an argument.
Part of you must realize the total denial of reality necessary to look at those stock quotes and not say "oh yea, maybe you have a point". To not be able to provide economic reasoning for Henry Ford's alleged philosophy. How about a "hey, i was totally fucking wrong - like 100% on the tarp fund thing". Don't waste time being critical of yourself when you can kick and scream about some republican doing something that's just as fucked up as what you advocate.
You're the one that never had an argument.
Ford paid his workers more because he knew that would help create a market for his product. What part of that one-part assertion don't you understand?
JFK has been shot, we miss him a lot
He always knew what to do
-- Philly Cream