Now, they are going to be nice to us(Riverdaughter has a great piece on that up today).

They think if they're nice, he'll get our votes. Idiots!! The reason he is not getting our votes doesn't have anything to do with the niceties or lack thereof, of his supporters, though it isn't helping.

It has to do with lack of experience and policy.

Bill Clinton for First Dude!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwc5YSAc-7g

(sorry, but I still can't figger out how to imbed.)

and has done much to make me reluctant to give it to him. If he is the nominee, he has from now until November to convince me that he will work hard for issues that I care about and he will work to protect core Democratic values. A spoon full of sugar or a D after his name is not enough. No trust - no vote.

This "Sweetie" granny has already decided where he can put his lump of sugar. I will work diligently for any Democrat on the down-ballot (as long as they aren't a Blue Dog) in an attempt to get a veto-proof Congress if he is the nominee and I will write Hillary's name in. I am not ashamed of being a liberal.

He is an opportunist beyond compare and will do and say anything to get elected including calling anyone who would not vote for him a racist. His campaign has made it clear that they don't need us and don't want us, so I am merely succumbing to his mystical powers! His arrogance and entitlement makes Bush's look like sandbox play ...

Now he thinks he can patronize and play nice while he plans to declare "victory" this week ... a little too late ... that ship sailed months ago without him.

suppose Clinton pulls an upset, suppose she could win Oregon and Montana and change the dynamic, what then? how would we win over Obama supporters. Remember, some of us (including your humbler servant) have been calling them the Obama Fan Base for months. I don't think they are very happy about that.

And while I prefer someone else, I'm okay with that if it gets Clinton the top of the ticket. I don't think the SDs have the spine to pick Clinton, but if they do, they certainly won't have the spine to leave Obama out in the cold.

As for what else can be done to win over Obama supporters, I think we first must differentiate between most Obama supporters and the OFB. We will not win over many of the OFB, they'll have to simply be dragged kicking and screaming. They hate Clinton more than they want to win in November and I don't know that we can change that. The only hope we have is that some of the Blogger Boiz's fever will break around the time they realize that Obama isn't going to lead to them getting jobs.

I do think we can win over Obama supporters. For starters, I've never seen any kind of demonization of AAs who support Obama. Sure, there might be a comment here or there, but not long diatribes about how racist they are or awful they are or how they aren't needed in November (it's sometimes pointed out they won't be enough in November, but that's not the same as not needed). And Clinton herself has sought to maintain her ties to AA leaders. So I think we can start by acknowledging an Obama loss is going to be painful for them in the same way a Clinton loss is painful for a lot of women. We can and must respect that. Indeed, while I think an Obama nomination is bad for the party, it will be painful to see the effects of an Obama loss on African Americans precisely because I know how they would feel, having been there with Clinton. That it will almost certainly be cast as America being unready for any African American instead of simply rejecting this particular one, will also make it worse. I don't know if American would reject any African American candidate, but I don't know that it wouldn't either. Saying not this African-American is like saying not this particular woman, it doesn't really take the sting out. And it's worse because Obama is likely to go down for things like his controversial pastor - something that's been pointed out is not a problem for white GOP candidates - rather than his other weaknesses, like inexperience and thin resume.

Having said that, most polls show AA voters are not rejecting Clinton so much as embracing Obama, so there may be less hostility to overcome. And I think there are policy areas - like UHC - which would benefit AAs every bit as much, if not more, than any other American.

As for the urban liberals and "creative class", I think the way to win them over is to do what we've been advocating Obama do - put out policies to appeal to them. Like open internet policies.

The difference between Obama and Clinton is that I think Clinton has ideas about how to unite the party. From what I can see, Obama has no idea.

Because "Honey, I've changed?"

In any case, crowning yourself before you've actually won is hardly being "nice." Typical Obama mindfuck: Piss on your leg, tell you it's raining.

[x] Any (D) in the general. [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

by a left-click on [Page] on the bar of your browser window, then [View Source] in the dropdown menu. More than one way to skin the cat peel the parsnip.

Demonizing Hillary Clinton was a principle theme of his campaign from the start. His campaign mistakenly thought that trashing Clinton supporters would bludgeon them into his camp.

Early on he said that his supporters wouldn't support Clinton but that Clinton supporters would back him. The worm has really turned on that one.

When there was talk among his supporters a while back about disrupting the convention he said nothing. I believe that made the DNC a bit antsy. Dean kept pressing to end the campaign ( translated - if Obama wins we won't see 1968 redux) to 'allow time to heal.' Tells me that extortion was another tactic.

No surprise. He learned his politics from the remnants of the old Daley machine and doesn't have the character to cast old Chicago aside.

I'm an old bread and butter Democrat. Won't work with me.

"Can we conclude from this that it has been policy for Mr. Obama to NOT rein in his supporters and bloggers previously?"

YES.

peel the parsnip, beat the beet, and so. No animals were harmed in the making of this silliness.

The diligent Lambert has information here at Corrente, your almost one-stop-shop. Click on -Input Format below the comment box, then More Information at the bottom of the window. Also go to top of the page right under the Corrente banner, click on [Books] and then open CorrenteWire Operating Manual, then Correntewire “How To”s.

I use <>paragraph break marks to manage spacing here under Full HTML, to prevent flow of text around the YouTube box. There are, as Sarah says, other ways to do it. Rule of thumb: compared to me, Sarah almost always knows best.

aha! the operating manual! the holy grail! thanks.

i wandered through all the input format and more information and even the html reference for a bit, but i really do need the paint-by-numbers version of this stuff.