Paul Krugman, fair-weather liberal, laces up his running shoes ...

... because he doesn't need to outrun the bear.

Paul Krugman, Nobel Prize winning professor and New York Times columnist, has got running shoes so fabulous that they've probably got wings, and it's you and me he's leaving to be eaten by the health non-care bear.

Krugman does, however, offer some kool-aid to those of us who are about to get eated.

Wednesday, in Illusions and Bitterness --

There’s enormous disappointment among progressives about the emerging health care bill — and rightly so. That said, even as it stands it would take a big step toward greater security for Americans and greater social justice; it would also save many lives over the decade ahead.

Lives saved? yeah well, letsgetitidone casts a jaundiced eye on that claim. Greater social justice? The Robert Wood Johnson Foundation [yeah, that RWJF] suggests not so much: check out the income levels of the insured and and uninsured here. Whether it's going all year without insurance, or just part of the year, those under 300% of poverty level are doing without much more than are those with more money. This is echoed by the experiences of the Swiss and the Dutch, the two systems most often likened to what we are supposedly going to get. Who are the few remaining uninsured in both those countries? Hint: it's not the rich.

That’s why progressive health policy wonks — the people who have campaigned for health reform for years — are almost all in favor of voting for the thing.

No, "progressive" policy wonks want a complex solution so they'll all have full employment for years and years. This isn't just the Insurance Industry Protection Act.

And the truth is that health care reform was probably doomed to be deeply imperfect. As Ezra Klein pointed out a few weeks ago, we’re basically in a hostage situation: progressives really, really want to cover the uninsured, while centrists whose votes are needed can take it or leave it. So the centrists have a lot of power — which in the case of Joe Lieberman means the power to double-cross and indulge his pettiness.

Deeply imperfect! Bwaaahahahahahaha! Well, he's got that part right, even if it's an understatement. And yes, Joe Lieberman gets to positively luxuriate in pettiness, but he's just a sock puppet.

And yeah, the progressives want to cover the uninsured, we all agree on that. There's a problem though, in that health insurance does not equal health care, and it's care that people need. If you force people to buy unaffordable or barely affordable insurance, you've freed the hostages from the gunmen only to have some number of them then walk into the booby traps that were also set out by the hostage takers.

As further assurance that we'd be doing the hostages a favor by passing health care deform reform, he trots out this favorite line of progressives everywhere:

I’d also point out that highly imperfect insurance reforms, like Social Security and Medicare in their initial incarnations, have gotten more comprehensive over time. This suggests that the priority is to get something passed.

oh, puh-leeze. Social Security and Medicare were both flawed to start with, granted, but they were both programs where taxpayer dollars were funneled through the government into taxpayer pockets. They were most assuredly not funneled through the greedy, grasping hands of fatcat corporate robber barons. People weren't forced by the original flawed Social Security Act to choose between tithing to a 401k account or facing the IRS, for example.

Not to mention that these improvements were largely the work of one man:

Robert M. Ball, who served as Commissioner of Social Security from 1962 to 1973, has been an important participant in every Social Security development of the past 60 years. He first went to work for Social Security in 1939, leaving seven years later to teach Social Security policy at the American Council on Education University-Government Center. Then, as staff director of the 1947-48 Advisory Council on Social Security on the Senate Finance committee, he played a key role in shaping the 1950 legislation that greatly expanded coverage and benefits.

After rejoining Social Security in 1950, he served as the agency's top civil servant from 1952 to 1962, a period in which disability insurance was added to Social Security and benefits and coverage were further expanded. He then served as Commissioner under Presidents Kennedy, Johnson, and Nixon. His responsibilities included setting up Medicare and administering it during its first seven years of operation. It was during this period as well that Social Security benefits were substantially increased and automatic cost-of-living adjustments adopted.

So we pass legislation now, wait four years for a few people to benefit from it, then wait another 20 or so years for another Bob Ball to come along and fix it. So how many millions of lives are we saving again?

So there’s a lot of bitterness out there. But please, keep your priorities straight.

By all means denounce Obama for his failed bipartisan gestures. By all means criticize the administration. But don’t take it out on the tens of millions of Americans who will have health insurance if this bill passes, but will be out of luck — and, in some cases, dead — if it doesn’t.

It's not my priorities that are fucked up.

Then there's his followup on Thursday, Health care and Iraq.

... for the most part the debate among progressives about whether the final product on health reform is worth supporting has been edifying. Serious people are making serious arguments, in a way that puts conservatives, who have offered nothing but smears and lies, very much to shame.

That said, some of the arguments here annoy me — in particular the line I’ve been hearing from some quarters that progressives who say we should hold our noses and pass the flawed Senate bill are just like the “liberal hawks” who supported the Iraq war.

Yep, it's been edifying alright.

That said, no we are not arguing that hold-your-nose progressives are just like liberal hawks, we're saying that they're the exact same people. I haven't been keeping a list of who's who, but other people have apparently, and it's all Third Wayers, all the way down.

The same progressives who think that making people pay unaffordable chunks of their income so that they'll self-ration their own medical care, think not, or perhaps only fleetingly, of the heartache they engender by asking these same people to send their sons and daughters, brothers and sisters, mothers and fathers off to wage multiple wars. And furthermore, deficit spending on wars is a good thing, but any improvements in health insurance coverage, no matter how modest, must help decrease the deficit. Butter good, guns better [progressives] is, for some, an improvement over guns, not butter [rabid warmongers] but what Ian said bears repeating:

It is also noteworthy that spending billions on turning brown people into a fine red mist (aka. the Afghan war) is acceptable, but health care (aka. saving actual American lives) is something which can’t cost money. What an interesting, and clearly evil, set of priorities that reveals.

Oh but hey! These liberal hawks and their ilk aren't selling us health care deform insurance reform because it will further their careers! This is for our own good!

Look, I don’t know for sure what motivated the liberal hawks; you’ll have to ask them. Some, I hope, were genuinely naive: despite all the signs that we were being sold a bill of goods, they just couldn’t believe that an American president would start a war on false pretenses. Others, I suspect, were being careerists, aligning themselves with where the power seemed to lie; sad to say, their career calculations were justified, since to this day you’re generally not considered “serious” on national security unless you were wrong about the war.

What’s going on with health care is very different. Those who grudgingly say “pass the thing” — a camp I have reluctantly joined — aren’t naive: by and large they’re wonks who have looked at the legislation quite carefully, understand both its virtues and its flaws, and have decided that it’s a lot better than nothing. And there isn’t much careerism involved: if you’re a progressive pundit or wonk, the risks of alienating the people to your left are at least a match for the risks of alienating people to your right.

Not careerists? If their careers were safe, they'd be talking up single payer left, right, and center, every chance they could get.

Not careerists? Hard for me, uninsured and in need of lots of medical care, living paycheck to paycheck at 40-something to look at the likes of Ezra Klein and Matt Yglesias, who at 20-something can afford to buy homes in Washington fucking DC and have employer-paid health insurance right now, and NOT think that it all depends on their willingness to shill for a bunch of Republicans who are masquerading [and just barely at that] as Democrats and liberals.

Not careerists? Have I mentioned that we're arguing over the Health Wonk Full Employment Act here? I do believe I have.

Understand its flaws? I don't think so. If I unplug from the internet, turn the cats out into the street, and go and live in my car, I'll be able to afford both the 7 or 8 or 9% of my income the insurance companies will be allowed to suck out of my pockets and the 10 or 12% of my income that it will cost me to actually use that insurance, beginning 4 or 5 or 6 years from now, but I'm thinking the non[ha!]careerists really have no understanding of this at all.

Anybody calling themselves "wonk" should have seen all this coming years ago, and anybody claiming to not be a careerist should have been backing single payer and only single payer from, like, 2006. Even I, an accidental wonk [I wanted to do farm policy, not health policy], could see 3 years ago what needed to be done.

Now, the pass-the-thing people could be wrong. Maybe hopes of improving the new health care system over time, the way Social Security has been improved, will prove to have been fantasies; or maybe rejecting this bill and trying again, a strategy that has failed many times in the past, would work this time.

Stop with the Social Security non-analogy, and yeah, starting over could fail yet again, but as long as I have to get my health care "free" at the emergency room for 4 more years, I'm willing to risk that failure.

But it’s a carefully thought-out, honest position. And arriving at that position has, in my case at least, required a lot of agonized soul-searching.

Probably they don't give Nobel prizes to people who don't think carefully, but they do give Nobel prizes to to people who turn out to have thunk wrongly in the course of their careers [cf Milton Friedman].

And maybe I’m being unfair, but I don’t seem to see the same degree of soul-searching on the other side.

I don't need to do any soul-searching, I'm living what you can only think about.

Too much of what I read seems to come from people who haven’t really faced up to what it will mean for progressive hopes — not to mention America’s uninsured — if health care reform crashes and burns, yet again.

Well, fuck your progressive hopes, and you're probably reading the wrong people to boot.

This is a moment of truth; it’s not a time for cheap shots or name-calling.

A moment of truth? Like how highly the people in Massachusetts think of their "reform"? Not.

And let me just point out something to you that Massachusetts has to teach us about the reversibility of asymptotically approaching universality:

What this suggests is that the really important thing, for reformers, is to get the principle of universality established. Once that happens, there’s no going back.

When the chips are down

people overwhelmingly want the law to stay in effect for themselves, but are alarmingly willing to throw others under the bus.

It's not too late to follow in Bob Ball's footsteps and join us in calling for, at the very least, the expansion of Medicare, perhaps in conference, perhaps by reconciliation, as part of this otherwise unpalatable legislation.

From its very beginnings, Medicare has reflected the competitive nature of America’s democracy and its penchant, ultimately, to compromise. Its original architects were strong advocates of universal health insurance, as one of them, Robert M. Ball, discussed several years ago (Health Affairs, Winter 1995): “We all saw insurance for the elderly as a fallback position. . . . Although the public record contains some explicit denials, we expected Medicare to be a first step toward universal national health insurance, perhaps with ‘Kiddicare’ as another step.”

Srsly, Joe Lieberman can go fuck himself.

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Z's picture

Good, a progressive website that doesn't bow ...

... to krugman's establishment award. How refreshing ... Z

Z

i [heart] paul krugman

nihil obstet's picture

Krugman does learn

I was always very happy that Krugman had real estate on the NYT's op-ed page to point out the successes of the New Deal legacy economics. However, if I remember correctly, he supported so-called "free trade" a la NAFTA. Rather than continuing to defend a policy as its bad effects became obvious, he has shifted away from the multi-national-corporation-privilege policy that so-called free trade embodies.

i've been thrilled he's been a prominent voice there

i've always seen him as a nice safe sane centrist, and i think that willingness to look at results and re-evaluate is a fair part of what i like about him.

lizpolaris's picture

I stopped hearting Krugman so much

after he returned from the WH dinner and was served a glass of koolaid and fitted with rose-garden colored glasses. His opinion columns have been a toothless mishmash since then - not so shrill anymore.

you and me both

though there were things in his book conscience of a liberal that bugged me too.

a little night musing's picture

Hipparchia is on fire!

(Not literally, I hope!)

I love PK, as a rule, but dang but he's missed the mark on this, and he just keeps digging himself in deeper. (And every time he mentions all the "progressive health cpolicy wonks" who think the plan is worth supporting, I keep thinking "Uwe Reinhardt and who else?")

And I've wanted to deconstruct that poll he keeps trotting out to show how wonderful the Mass. plan is: glad to see you've already done that! (and I somehow missed it. :<) It matters very much exactly who the people who don't like the plan are, doesn't it?

We can't afford not to have single-payer!

deconstruct further if you like

there's room for more if you ask me.

the survey pk refers to was conducted by the boston globe and the harvard school of public health together.

krugman only sends us to the boston globe article [accompanying graphic here], but here's harvard's take on it. also, feel free to steal any of these graphics [that's what i did].

and here's the rwjf survey too.

vastleft's picture

Let's hear it for Massachusetts!

We're #1, we're #1, we're #1!

Massachusetts has the most expensive family health insurance premiums in the country, according to a new analysis that highlights the state’s challenge in trying to rein in medical costs after passage of a landmark 2006 law that mandated coverage for nearly everyone.

 http://www.boston.com/news/health/articles/2009/08/22/bay_state_health_insurance_premiums_highest_in_country/

lambert's picture

Not controlling costs is the path to "entitlement reform"

So adopting MA as the example is not a big, but a feature.

"See, we tried everything!"

First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win. -- Mahatma Gandhi

i got a job offer in mass

shortly after the 'reform' and seriously considered taking it, since i figured that was the only way i was going to get insurance that covered all my pre-existing conditions, but could y'all hurry up with the global warming plz?

between the cost of housing and the cost of health insurance though, i'd have to make easily twice what i'm making now, maybe more, to equal my present [fairly spartan] standard of living.

letsgetitdone's picture

hipparchia rocks

Great piece, hipparchia. I loved the deconstruction. I might try one of these myself today, since Paul is a highly visible target and symbol of the let's support this turkey crowd.

I noticed you haven't posted this at FDL. Seems to me they need this over there too.

you are free to steal it,

or any part of it, and post it there, but i haven't the time or stamina or mad organizational skillz really to keep up with discussions in more than place, so i rarely cross-post anything.

gob's picture

Krugman's got the wrong analogy.

It's not Social Security - an entitlement that unites us all - but welfare that this bill resembles. As many better policy minds than mine have pointed out repeatedly, means-tested federal aid is a big, honking easy political target.

And as someone else recently pointed out, imagine the fun of proving your entitlement as you find and lose jobs and clients in this increasingly crazy economy.

We will push and push and push until some larger force makes us stop.

lambert's picture

The correct analogy is more like AFDC than SS.

The health care "reform" doesn't "resemble" welfare, it is welfare. The major expansion comes from Medicaid, which is exactly welfare. And the exchanges (even without the so-called public option) are means-tested and don't apply if you've already got insurance, even if you don't like it. I guess what I'd like to see is a comparison between relying on the ER and relying on Medicaid (with the income limits for eligibility raised), since that now seems to the real choice on offer besides whatever the fuck the fake exchanges turn out to be.

More like AFDC is true both as far as its nature as an entitlement, and the politics of it. Since our GENIUS Dems have managed to frame the program as welfare, everybody from the centrists on will be trying to chip away at it. Which fits nicely into Obama's "entitlement reform" agenda, come to think of it. And what that means is that none of the coverage figures by 2014 can be trusted, since they all depend on a political situtation where the Dems have deliberately weakened themselves.

There's a whole post on the SS vs. AFDC takedown analogy, if somebody wants to take that on ;-)

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gob's picture

Precisely, AFDC

is what I meant. Thanks for correcting the fuzziness.

We will push and push and push until some larger force makes us stop.

Anthony_JKenn's picture

Not just welfare, Lambert...

...but the absolute WORST form of welfare, too. As in, not even close to being enough to actually provide for the people it is intended to benefit; but just enough to justify the swindle and giveaway to Biig Insura.

Not to mention, a freakin' gift to Teabaggers and the right-wing noise machine, who will all be so thrilled to attack this fool's gold as the epitome of "Democrat socialism" and a giveaway to the most "unproductive" and "shiftless and lazy" (read, Black and Brown folk, "illegal aliens", and evil slutty feminist baby killers (Stupack and Nelson to the contrary).

It's almost as if Obama and the ConservaDems are either setting themselves up for the fat payday crossing over to become Big Insura lobbyists, and/or are attempting to deliberately throw the political game in 2010 and 2012 to the GOP so that they can smash the liberals and "progressives" one more time and restore DLC/Dixiecrat/BlueDog hegemony over the Democratic Party once and for all for at least two generations. The needs of the public and the Democratic "base" are merely like ticks off the dog to be swatted away.

In other worrds, we're in Bill Clinton's third tirm...with all the triangulation and deceit included. Somewhere, Al From is laughing his ass off.

I'm still not a Hillary backer, but I'm beginning to think that the PUMA's actually had a point. At least my ultimate vote for Cynthia McKinney and the Green Party doesn't look nearly as much as a waste now.

Congratulations, Democrats...for nothing.

BTW...I actually wouldn't even mind an expansion of Medicaid or AFDC...but only as part of a universal and comprehensive socialized system of adequate health care and social relief for all, not merely as a "divide and conquer" tactic. Anthony

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We're in Bush's third term, not Clinton's.

Obama is continuing Bush's policies in every area. When it comes to health care, he is not doing Hillarycare at all; he's doing some horrible, woman-hating insurance giveaway. When it comes to domestic policy, he's not raising taxes on the rich, the way Bill Clinton did. He is not creating jobs, the way Bill Clinton did. When it comes to the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, he is following the Bush Administration's recommendations exactly. And let's not forget Gitmo, executive authority and torture - all exactly the same as Bush.

And that's what the liberal PUMAs told you would happen.

So yes, we had a point.

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I wouldn't call them Tea Baggers.

The GOP is trying to co-opt them, but the protesters hate them, too. Progress depends on coalition-building. We have a lot in common with them, and I don't believe in insulting potential allies and driving them into the arms of the opposition.

once and future allies

this part of florida is very republican, but it was very dixiecrat up until the time of newt gingrich. not an ideal world, but it did give the democratic party a numbers advantage in some cases, since they're our natural allies on economic populism issues, if not always on social and cultural issues.

krugman completely misses [or

krugman completely misses [or deliberately avoids] the corporatism issue and while i think i worked in a bit of snark on it somewhere in there, glenn greenwald has a wonderful article on it today.

along with that is the insidious welfare aspect too. it's just got soooooo many things wrong with it.

And as someone else recently pointed out, imagine the fun of proving your entitlement as you find and lose jobs and clients in this increasingly crazy economy.

i've been there a couple of times in the past few years with visiting the community health clinic here. you can pay on a sliding scale, but the paperwork is a pain to fill out. at least it's good for a year; medicaid iirc requires you to fill out all kinds of paperwork every time your economic situation changes, which is a bunch of useless bureaucracy, particularly for people who depend primarily on seasonal employment. the administrative costs of medicaid are 2-3 times those of medicare in part because of this.

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I like Krugman a lot, but...

...he's got his blind spots. Obama is arguably the biggest of them. Krugman has been willing to give him the benefit of doubt thus far, but one thing that stands out in his blog posts is that even he seems to have reached his limit (though even then he sides with Yglesias in blaming "ungovernable" Senate). We'll see what Krugman will say after Nelson makes his "mark" on the health care reform bill.

madamab's picture

Me too...

If anti-abortion funding amendments make it into both the Senate and House versions of the bill, and Krugman still supports its passage, he has lost me forever. I've had enough liberal sexism to last me a lifetime, thank you very much.

Never vote for people who hate you.

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liberal sexism

yep

not sure about obama being the blind spot

i think it's possible krugman is going to support any non-republican administration. this isn't all bad, i'm not at all in favor of the republicans gaining any more traction [they've got far too much still] and defending any member of the democratic party against their assault is a good thing.

i would vastly prefer that krugman find a way to both support obama [the republicans have vowed to take obama down, over health care, or any other issue if they have to resort to that] and advocate more strongly for real reform that benefits us little people.

gqmartinez's picture

Krugman's a Fresh Water pol

He's stuck in a time and place where the Dem's and Republican's policy differences were about substance rather than a means to raise money and employ a bunch of progressive careerists with "high esteem jobs" that offer little benefit to society. The bitter salt lake folk can see this and aren't clinging to the legacy of the Parties that the Fresh Water folks so desperately are.

Only tyrants rig elections.

lambert's picture

I prefer "rainwater economists" ...

... to "salt lake" economists, though I know what you're getting at.

1. We're not Mormons.

2. Rainwater implies a cycle to me, as well as sustainability (because smart folks harvest the runoff.

3. "A hard rain's gonna fall."

Just saying.

I imagine the MMT folks would come under this heading?

First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win. -- Mahatma Gandhi

gqmartinez's picture

tryin' to play off Krugman's Fresh/Salt water narrative

I meant salt water, not salt lake. And I meant in reference to politics, not economics. The reason I was using Fresh v Salt is because supposedly the Fresh water economist is stuck in an outdated and rigid system, much like I'd say Krugman is stuck on the politics of the past, where party differences were more substantive than they are now.

Getting out of the legacy trap is a hard thing to do. A lot of people have intellectual credibility on the line so feel the need to validate--somehow--the system. When new information is presented, its fine to adjust your position. Krugman is ignoring a lot of new information. Its hard to blame him, I *really really really* wanted to believe Dems would come in and change things. So much so that I was willing to jump into the slime to help with the change. Now all there is is the slime and I just can't handle that.

Anyhoo, I was mostly trying to hit Krugman with his own formulation, not necessarily as a sticking point.

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lambert's picture

I'm on the side that the other two sides are against...

Hence, neither salt- nor fresh-water.

Hence, the quest for alternatives.

First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win. -- Mahatma Gandhi

he considers himself a salt water economist

can't remember if he came up with that designation himself or borrowed it from elsewhere, but the saltwater economists are from universities on the coasts and the freshwater economists are from universities on the great lakes [think chicago boyz], broadly speaking.

gqmartinez's picture

Great line

This: "they were both programs where taxpayer dollars were funneled through the government into taxpayer pockets."

Only tyrants rig elections.

thanks

that's one of the biggies for me, that the money stays [mostly] in taxpayers' control. i'm very much in agreement with with glenn greenwald on the corporatism, and not just in health care.

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somehow I think the bear is the wrong metaphor

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yikes!

a much scarier picture! i'm going to have to remember to steal that one from you for a future post. it's definitely a tapeworm economy we're in.

i went with the grizzly because i see krugman et al as being able to avoid the bite this bill is going to put on many of the rest of us. they aren't personally worried about the effects of this bill [even if they do agonize over the fate that's about to befall some of their fellow human beings] because they can 'outrun' the worst effects [by virtue of their cushy jobs, comfy salaries, probably-dependable insurance].

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