Pew: Polls that omit cellphones underestimate Obama vote 2-3%

I'm no polling expert, but here's the Pew study.

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Gallup Daily

includes cell phones.

Cell Phones + Bradley Effect = ?

So, when this is combined with the Bradley Effect which has also become a part of the OFB's narrative for getting rid of disagreeable polls, or calling into question every poll, where does Obama sit in polls?

But, more seriously, they were ripping on the polls during the primaries despite them seeming to get better as the primaries went along. There seemed to be this belief that the polls were so much, or even measurably, more off than in elections past, but I haven't seen anything to corroborate that popular assumption.

But, we've always been at war with Eastasia...

I believed the cell phone line in 2004

Only to be heartbroken the day after the election. I bought the whole Dems are massively outregistering Reps in OH as well. Another let down (with the whole OH '04 caveats). I bring this up because the same two arguments were supposed to help Obama in the primaries, but . . . not so much, he underpolled frequently and in general, the more people who voted, the better Obama's opponent did.

There were a lot of feel good polls and stories coming out in '04, and I'm seeing the same this year. I'm much less prone to accept Dem talking points when it comes to electioneering these days.

The kidz with fonez were going to save us in '04

Yeah, I remember that well. All of the newly registered and energized college kids were going to save the day! Younger people did turn out in much higher numbers than in 2000--but not enough of them to turn the tide in the key states, as gqmartinez says. He also makes a good point about the accuracy of Obama's polling in the primaries. He usually came in right about where the polls put him, not substantially higher or lower.

On my campus, there is an Obama voter registration tent blasting music most days through the lunch hours. While I usually hate the pointlessness of loud music in the middle of campus, the other day they were blasting the Dead Kennedys' "Holiday in Cambodia." That was kind of cool.

The Surprise of Kerry's Loss

Yup, G., trying to avoid that this year by keeping my eyes open and understanding what's really happening. Many Dems don't seem to want to do this, and want to be rah rah team--which they understandably find heartening--but what is the point of being happily carefree during the primaries if your candidate is in some jeopardy? If you know you're in some trouble, you do different things. Obama is slightly ahead in most polls. I am troubled--way less troubled than about the RBC stuff--but troubled to see so many Dems I know preparing to do the happy dance, without thinking about staying in the trenches, and not even trying in conversation around town to reach out to independents or moderate Republicans. That kind of stuff can really make a difference. Instead there's this: How can you possibly think of any other vote? and What's wrong with you? Interestingly, at the same time, fewer people are working for the Dem HQ here this year. What does that mean?

Same thing farther up in Zone 5b

Our local D organization is in a bad way, since all the older people who used to run things are gone, for one reason or another (including life changes unrelated to politics).

So, there was a meeting for a re-org, which I didn't attend, because, well, I was cowardly and didn't want the aggravation of being open about my views and dealing with zealots, or concealing my views.

Turns out, according to the local rumor mill, that nobody showed up, not even the OFB.

Now, the D party in Zone 5b sucks for other reasons too, so I can see why enthusiasm would be low, and anecdotes are not data, but still.

[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mahatma Gandhi

Obama's Not Using Existing Democratic Infrastructure.

So, I wouldn't necessarily assuming that because he's not that he's not doing anything else. I know that where I live in Michigan, at least anecdotally, they are registering folks like crazy. He seems to be trying to squeeze every last single voter out of the central cities as he can, and he's going to need them for the other groups he showed complete deference to. I'll say that this is one of the most concentrated and thorough registration pushes I've ever seen. Perhaps, it has to do with the fact that I live in metro area with the sixth or seventh largest university in the nation, though.

But, we've always been at war with Eastasia...