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Popularity, Friends, and Enemies in the New Era

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I have to say: it's been rough. I've not been a member of the Oborg since before most people even knew he was running for office. For personal and private reasons based on my experience with him, and that of some friends. At the same time, I've not been as...vocal in my disappointment with him, his appointments and stated policy goals, as some; here, elsewhere. I feel like a DS9 fan at a B5 vs. BSG Con, some days. But I'm curious about what your experience has been like, since, say, the convention. I don't have hard data for it, but my impression is that we've shed a lot of fair-weather politicos since the election, and interest in political blogging seems way down to me, in general. I've also noticed that various varieties of "trolls" have become less common, super-pro Obama as well as anti. In general, chatter seems less hectic, people seem more subdued, and arguments seem less heated, in terms of our new Leader and his upcoming coronation. Is that your impression? I can think of lots of reasons for that, but what I'm most interested in is how long you think the "honeymoon" period will be, and what form the opposition to him will take. Interestingly, I've been told that even as the Republicans are in "disarray," there is growing anger in the Dem ranks, for being stuck with such unpopular losers as the "bailout bill," and the suggestion that health care reform, meaningful reform, "must wait." Your thoughts?

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Submitted by HeroesGetMade on

That's been rattling around my head these last few months - we coulda had Roslin, and now we're stuck with Baltar for 4 long years ..... I've just embarked upon season 4, and Baltar may redeem himself in some as yet unimaginable way, but so far it doesn't look good - he's still a creepy self-involved weasel.

I give the honeymoon less than a year. The alt press is full of good advice for O from all the leading lights, and being so connected to the grass roots and all, and having his finger on the pulse of what the unembittered cling-free America wants and needs, if he fails to take heed right on Day One, well, he'd better hold onto himself for all the drama and kitchen sinks headed his way. On the other hand, when (and if) he fails to take heed of the leading lights' good advice, they won't have any place to go, having already disgraced themselves getting O elected. Most of them made their bed, so we had better stock up on the fainting couches.

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Submitted by Valhalla on

could see the future since that storyline predated the campaigns yet anticipated every twist and turn. Esp. the part about 'the people' being fooled by their own yearning for the person who claimed to be able to deliver The Promised Land. Pretty scary stuff, given subsequent events.

BSG's back on Friday!

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Submitted by Damon on

I saw the very end of Hillary's confirmation hearings today on CSPAN, and the very first person they allowed on the air as those "against" the nomination was ranting about how Hillary couldn't be trusted, and how she was the one behind painting Obama as a Muslim, etc...it was as if the primaries never ended.

In my personal experience, the Obamans are just as rude and heated as they were today, and if anything, many former primary Clinton supporters seem to have either dropped out or are supporting Obama, altogether. The only change I've seen is in the relaxation of the rhetoric on the Clinton side of things. That's it. Oh, and the average Republicans I've talked to, and seen and heard, are downright bitter in every sense of the word. They are mad at McCain, mad at the GOP, mad at Obama, mad about everything. Only the Village Republicans seem content.

Submitted by hipparchia on

they're all working busy as little honeybees on their service projects for the 19th [actually it's been expanded to cover that whole weekend].

i'm pissed that the obama campaign subverted community organizing organizing principles to win an election, and i'm pissed that the obama transition team has subverted community organizing principles to do community service, and now i'm a bit miffed that they've subverted martin luther king day into a national day of service.

king would probably have approved of a national day of service in his name, but still....

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Submitted by herb the verb on

"Periodically"

Har, good one!

No shit, no residual bitterness here!

Oh, and that last guy, what a find!

With post headings like:

"Vote Hillary for Lying Narcissist Bitch 2008"

and

"Hey, did I mention that I slept with Chelsea Clinton?" where he writes:

"Yup, we got together, did a bunch of blow and then fucked like wild animals for an entire weekend, before her girlfriend came home and threw me out. I haven’t really heard from her since the abortion, but I get a text message every now and again."

,

this guy should get an AWARD! We could call it The Favreau. Bringing it full circle.

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Submitted by bringiton on

when they need to Get Over It and Move On.

The biggest problem I'm having right now is figuring out where the clichés stop and the triteness begins.

That, and wondering what happened to irony.

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Submitted by ElizabethF on

"many former primary Clinton supporters seem to have either dropped out or are supporting Obama, altogether."

I believe there are still many Hillary supporters or to reframe, supporters of Hillary Clinton's 'brain' and the belief she would have been best for the nation. I think they are vocal and aware and are writing as fast as they can but perhaps not getting the attention.

I wish that Obama would not do the Lincoln inaugural reenactment. I think it embarrassing and childish. If Clinton had been elected, and permitted her inauguration to be marketed as the second coming of Eleanor Roosevelt, she would have been vilified and made the laughing stock of Washington and the world. Can you imagine? Clinton would never do such a thing. She would, I suspect, be so proud of herself and simply take the oath of office and get to work.

The Obama election is looked on as historic and I assume people have the right to view it that way. I, myself, am waiting for history to be made by electing a woman president.

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Submitted by wrensis on

I think the people I like to call the "American Idol" crowd, satified that the candidate they voted for won, went on to another show. I was amazed at the personal attacks on any dissenter or critical thinker. Since we are now still in the general period of "Hope" the need to attack has lessened. More blood in the water in other game shows. As the hope fades and the reality of the enormity of the national problems and the complexity of solving small portions of them given the despair of many in this predicament will shorten what would not have been a long honeymoon to begin with.

Perhaps the people who are still actively seeking change can produce accountability by realizing the election is over, the work is just beginning.

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Submitted by Sarah on

wrensis,
are you missing some words in this quote?

As the hope fades and the reality of the enormity of the national problems and the complexity of solving small portions of them given the despair of many in this predicament will shorten what would not have been a long honeymoon to begin with.

'cause otherwise, whiskey tango FOXTROT, over?

I mean, yeah, I grok that hope can / will fade (after the Super Bowl? When the AmIdol season ends?) and that buyer's remorse is likely (I seem to recall that in between the plane he let the Chinese dismantle and the day he let the Towers and Pentagon be blown to hell, buyers' remorse was a big factor in public opinion of W, too), are you saying the "honeymoon" will be short because so many people are in despair, or because ... all of a sudden the nation's going to look up at the size and scope of the DISASTER we're all trapped amongst and go, "Ohhhh, crap?" and have neither an idea how to fix it nor anybody in, oh, say, the Oval Office who can suggest ways of fixing it?

Because, dude, if you're right about that, the next 9-11-2001 is, like, about seven months and 22 days out...

Submitted by lambert on

... reminds me of the "incompetence" meme.

The honeymoon is a Village concept. We need to bypass the Village, not discuss its concepts. No, I don't know how to do that (yet).

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Submitted by pie on

The honeymoon is a Village concept

Never more obvious than the last eight years. But Obama gets no honeymoon from me. He wanted the job - he knew what he was in for. I hope he's well rested.

I still would have much preferred Hillary for president. I was reminded of just how much when I listened to her yesterday. He is too slick and too marketed, which is too reminiscent of Bush. That disgusts me, especially this Lincolnesque bullcrap. But the entire Dem leadership, who now have a say in our new path (if there is a new path) will share the criticism and accolades with Obama, the vessel through which the different policies are sold to the public and implemented. I'm not too crazy about some of his advisors either. Hopefully, he'll listen to lots of people, not just them.

If the dems are the grownups and serious about governing, then they'd better start acting grownup and serious. No more rock star nonsense or swoons from ditzy females and pumping fists from adolescent little boys.

We're at a very low point in our history, and the problems seem insurmountable. Let's stop playing and get to work cleaning up the mess!

One more thing: I expect little or no republican support for most of the legislation that is suggested unless blackmail is involved. ;)

Submitted by Paul_Lukasiak on

...at least in the fauxgressive blogosphere, is a sense of unverbalized (and perhaps not-yet-consciously acknowledged) buyers remorse. There is an undercurrent of an awareness that "we've been had", but those who got on the Obama bandwagon really don't want to come right out and say it. (For example, right after the election, the fauxgressive line was that we shouldn't criticize what Obama does until he actually becomes President and does stuff --- you don't hear that line much anymore.)

The Oborg is still out there -- but its kinda like the Oborg was up until January 2008, before critical mass was reached and the most of the progressive blogosphere became the fauxgressive blogosphere. (They're the people who couldn't acknowledge that Burris had the legal/constitutional right to the Senate seat because Obama opposed the nomination. The people who say stuff like lamberts friend - that our job is to "help Obama" now...)

The media, on the other hand, is still in love with Obama, if for no other reason than being pro-Obama is good for business (see the Ms cover, or the new Pepsi logo, or the "banner" discussion over at Swampland.) And one sees echos of the media's post 9-11 treatment of Bush when it comes to Obama; this is more than just "honeymooning", its an exaggerated sense of regard for the guy.

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Submitted by pie on

that the vast majority of people are happy and relieved to finally be rid of Bush. To different degrees, this has affected their thinking about his replacement, leading some to go absolutely ga-ga and place all their chips on his space. Some really look at him as a savior. Some are more realistic, hoping for small steps in the right direction, and others are totally cynical, expecting business as usual.

It'll be interesting to see worlds collide and how much leeway he's given for how long.

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Submitted by tartu on

The other day at lunch the main topic of discussion was what everybody is doing for inauguration, what parties/events/parades people should attend/host. Today at our company meeting, it was proposed that the new server be named "Obama". Everybody seem to have just found out that Bush and Co are evil. I am not certain were my coworkers were in the last 8 years.

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Submitted by vastleft on

For eight years it was almost impossible to stomach listening to the Bullshitter-in-Chief's press conferences, SoU addresses, etc., because he was such a goddamn liar.

I find Obama's "inspirational" speeches anything but. Just slick razzmatazz for the guileless. Yet, he will be, y'know, presiding at a time of great instability and danger, and he may be forced to deliver some substance re: our financial and other woes. He has the opportunity to actually make some changes that sane people have hoped for.

I have a hard time imagining that he'll become a straight talker (an appealing brand that John McCain certainly didn't earn), with earnest Fireside Chats (though I expect he'll be marketed as doing just that).

AFAIK, um, he doesn't give a flying fuck about disenchanted progressives, so I'm just having a hard time imagining being able to watch him on TV with much less skepticism and frustration than with the out-going president, even if I cling to the hope that he'll raise his game up to the 2%-less evil benchmark.

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Submitted by Sarah on

even in spite of the affair, I remain convinced the party and the nation were deprived of a visionary and a fighter who had a sense of what we need to get working America back on its feet (and if it comes out, somewhere down the line, that the OBF's behind the placement of the woman with whom Edwards had that affair, well quelle surprise! only NOT, y'know?) -- and let's face it. The top 15% of the top 2% of the country's income-receivers aren't hurting.

Especially not in comparison to the now pension-less and health-care deprived former dependents of UWMA and UAW workers (widows, orphans, and cripples, in the terms Our Betters prefer).

Look around out there. We're a nation that's a paycheck, maybe two, away from Dickensian conditions. Thanks to Wall Street, the Conventional Wisdom, and the scam that owning stock would make you rich beyond the dreams of avarice.

And we're a nation where more and more, instead of paychecks our corporate overlords are handing out pink slips -- with the backing of the courts when it comes to paying corporate officers and stiffing actual working people.

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