Edit to see what I did. Looks better, yes?

[x] Any (D) in the general. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

If it’s fair to call the UCC, as an institution, either racist or unpatriotic.

On the white grandmother, this is the quote:

I can no more disown [Wright] than I can my white grandmother – a woman who helped raise me, a woman who sacrificed again and again for me, a woman who loves me as much as she loves anything in this world, but a woman who once confessed her fear of black men who passed by her on the street, and who on more than one occasion has uttered racial or ethnic stereotypes that made me cringe.

What’s unparallel? (And rootless, shut the fuck up for a while, please.)

[x] Any (D) in the general. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

there are good ones rising in all 50 states, but there’s enormous power against them and they get no, or much less help rising (compare Obama’s quick easy rise to any political woman’s path)—and until they’re not seen as interlopers or as “unnatural” for being ambitious, etc, i fear things won’t get much better. No one is smoothing the way for them, or grooming them, etc, the way men get. And the powers that be are still almost all men—certainly the money men are all men still.

it’s all up the existing networks in place, and whether they’ll start to do for political women what they’ve always done for men. From the treatment our Christine Quinn here in NYC gets, and Debbie Wasserman-Shultz in FL gets (i really like both of them, and they should be getting help, not attacks)—it’s not happening.

Emanuel and Shumer are also biased toward male candidates entirely in terms of picking Congressional Candidates. It’s more likely that a woman there is a widow or spouse of another pol than someone random who rose up the ranks, tragically. And candidates like Donna Edwards or Tammy Duckworth got shit on by them.

Thanks Lambert!
I tend to do these blogs off the top of my head. One day I hope to do one that has been revised and posted. Editing is always appreciated.

“The great divide in this country is not by race or even income, it’s by those who think they are better than everyone else and think they should play by a different set of rules,” —Bill Clinton

Is it because women have traditionally had to rely on men for financial support?
For women to earn their way without powerful men backers….I have girlfriends who would never vote for a woman because they have had such bad experiences with female bosses (but they love all of their male ones). On girlfriend on a job change took a job because she would not have to work under a woman then when she found she had a female supervisor was not very happy.
I have worked with some pretty nasty women so I can see their points. But, I also have been in the position of supervising primarily women and it’s not a cake walk, there is a lot of going over heads done, and hurt feelings. It is extremely political. Male employees were easier because other women deferred to them and were more willing to accept shortcomings in the men. I found that I needed to be very low key in this situation, and would make sure that territories were kept and quotas were stressed as well as help any out who were struggling, it was a bit tough.
Thanks for responding to this post, I will have to check out Christine Quinn and Debbie Wasserman.
I tend to vote for women and I know that is biased and I know they are not always great, but I can’t help but hope that if there are enough of us out there maybe it will begin to make a dent. Not sure.
Perhaps if we could form a support group for women who are more than traditionally “pretty”, it would help. I would love to see a woman in power who has a few pounds on her, is visibly older, and not traditionally pretty. Why? Because I think that looks are stressed much more with females than with males, and it stabs us in the back, making it tougher to get ahead, it is an added burden that I think shouldn’t be there.

“The great divide in this country is not by race or even income, it’s by those who think they are better than everyone else and think they should play by a different set of rules,” —Bill Clinton

i blame the networks already in place—they’re not helping women and they’re not supporting young, rising women.

I think women make better bosses, personally, and trust them more overall in positions of responsibility—this is generalizing, but women have to juggle things and multitask much more than guys so get better at it, and they also tend to keep people in mind—which is good in terms of making decisions that impact people’s lives.

In real life, I’ve yet to see truly and wholly sadistic and amoral and ruthless and cruel female bosses like you see with the worst male bosses.

I think it’s individual tho, bec i’m a gay guy in a female-dominated office (and not in a position where i compete with anyone to move up, or on a career path that does that, etc). Women are harsher with other women, i think, just as guys are with guys.

Comparing words said by his white grandmother in the privacy of her home, to words said by Rev Wright a man that inspired the title of his book “Audacity of Hope” is not equal so cannot be parallel.

Fear of someone who passes you in the street (by the way in his book it was a third hand account that was a black man who approached her for money scared her, and this was relayed to him by his grandfather), I think he changed it to mirror Jesse Jackson’s statement, that’s my opinion not fact.

If people’s private comments are regarded as equal to public comments. Would that open litigation for families to use against relatives?

I am going to go ahead and break down his infamous speech, I dislike this speech because it is illogical and I believe it was demeaning.
here is the link
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/18…

His first few paragraphs talks about civil war, civil rights movement, which some of us have relatives who fought and died in the civil war, some of us know people who were involved in the civil rights movement,
He equates the entire civil rights movement with his bid for presidency.

Clearly not a parallel.

“I chose to run for the presidency at this moment in history because I believe deeply that we cannot solve the challenges of our time unless we solve them together”

“Yes. Did I strongly disagree with many of his political views? Absolutely - just as I’m sure many of you have heard remarks from your pastors, priests, or rabbis with which you strongly disagreed.”

He equates Rev Wrights statements to everyone else’s Priests, Rabbis, and Pastors
This is clearly not a parallel that is true with any church affiliation I have ever had. I have attended Fundamentalist, evangelical, catholic, unitarian, wiccan, synogogues, methodist, anglican, episcopalian, Holy-Roller and Buddhist religious institutions. None of them were like Wright. If there was a deep schism (fundamental churches, I left) So his equating his actions with actions that I would not have done is another unequal, that he says as a truism, is equal. (but it’s not)

Here is the first quote stretched in the quotation
“I can no more disown him than I can disown the black community. I can no more disown him than I can my white grandmother - a woman who helped raise me, a woman who sacrificed again and again for me, a woman who loves me as much as she loves anything in this world, but a woman who once confessed her fear of black men who passed by her on the street, and who on more than one occasion has uttered racial or ethnic stereotypes that made me cringe.

These people are a part of me. And they are a part of America, this country that I love.”

This is a confusing paragraph because firstly, he places Wright in the midst of his cultural identity (who would want to do that to the poor guy, are we racist? is the implication)

The last sentence is very sweet but it doesn’t address the importance that Obama placed on a man who says “god damn america, whose tenets include quite racially incendiary stuff. All of these are combined but are they parallel?
Is a pastor parallel to cultural heritage?
Is his white grandmother equal to his cultural identity (which he implies is the black community)
Is the grandmother equal to Wright?

“Some will see this as an attempt to justify or excuse comments that are simply inexcusable. I can assure you it is not. I suppose the politically safe thing would be to move on from this episode and just hope that it fades into the woodwork. We can dismiss Reverend Wright as a crank or a demagogue, just as some have dismissed Geraldine Ferraro, in the aftermath of her recent statements, as harboring some deep-seated racial bias.”

Another unequal statement.

Is Geraldine Ferraro’s one statement that he would not be where he is if it was not for his race, be paralleled with Wright
There are a few other things that bother me about his sentence about Geraldine not the least of which is he was one of the staunchest critics of her one sentence and wanted her to be dismissed.

Just to bring this up
“We can pounce on some gaffe by a Hillary supporter as evidence that she’s playing the race card, or we can speculate on whether white men will all flock to John McCain in the general election regardless of his policies.”
Obama introduces the race card here with assuming that white men will vote for McCain, and he brings in Geraldine again here.

etc. This speech was a heck of a lot of rhetoric. I believe what my mind tells me to be true. Obama sat in a church for 20 years soaking up Wrights messages, having black theological ideology ingrained in him, and I can no more believe that he is not racist than I can believe he will not disown his pastor, and anyone else who stands in the way of his own goals.
I do not believe his goals are for me and mine, or for you and yours.

As far as UCC, Yes I do, as Wright’s church is a member, and has tenets that are controversial to the doctrine of UCC and UCC has not cut them off as members, I do believe that UCC is as culpable to these racially divisive teachings.
Links to archived tenets and revised tenets of Wright’s church

This is an archived page as a person would have seen it on February 27, 2007:

http://web.archive.org/web/200702272…….

# Pledge to Allocate Regularly, a Portion of Personal Resources for Strengthening and Supporting Black Institutions
# Pledge allegiance to all Black leadership who espouse and embrace the Black Value System

Compare July 2, 2007:

http://web.archive.org/web/200707022…….

It has been on that site up since October 15, 2003:

October 15, 2003 version:
http://web.archive.org/web/200310051…….

Here is a page that goes over UCC tenets
http://www.ucc.org/beliefs/

Why would a church such as Wright’s be allowed to continue when they are so clearly not in keeping with UCC doctrine?

I do not know who rootless is?

“The great divide in this country is not by race or even income, it’s by those who think they are better than everyone else and think they should play by a different set of rules,” —Bill Clinton

I often wonder what it is like for non-stereotypical males in a male dominated environment.
I have an effeminate nephew and an effeminate cousin, neither have taken traditional jobs. I know that my cousin, whom I am very close to….is annoyed with being stereotyped as gay.
It doesn’t bother me, I’ve been called a “dyke” before. I never have thought what people do sexually is anyone’s business. It doesn’t mean it is not fun to speculate about it, especially celebs. I also wonder when people are offended when you say “oh he is so gay”, because they are shocked you would think so….if it is more they are homophobic and believe that it is an insult, or their political correctness has been lodged in their a**, and they don’t know how to enjoy.
If I applied this to my cousin then I would say yeah he really has an issue with gay as he is of the opinion it is a sin. I on the other hand think that putting ketchup on a well-cooked steak is a sin.
I think when people cross gender roles and they are not “male” or “female” stereotypically it can be challenging. I wonder which is more difficult being more female or being more male? Is there a line that becomes entirely unnacceptable?

“The great divide in this country is not by race or even income, it’s by those who think they are better than everyone else and think they should play by a different set of rules,” —Bill Clinton

and whether we want to stay closeted at work—something i’ll only do when straight people have to do so as well. ; >

i’m in publishing, which is not at all like wall st or real estate or any kind of competitive salesfloor or alpha male type place, etc—it’s much safer—and a field that attracts more open and creative and tolerant people.

oh, barf.

I just thought the parallels between this and cultism to be hysterical, it is a hippie themos.

http://www.southparkzone.com/episodes/90…

the college “know-it-all” hippies

“The great divide in this country is not by race or even income, it’s by those who think they are better than everyone else and think they should play by a different set of rules,” —Bill Clinton