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Republican National Convention

John Sidney McCain.

One of the more frustrating things for me in this primary is the way that years of oppo that we've salted away on Republican sexual deviance and Republican torture and killing of animals has gone unused; and both issues speak directly to Republican abuses of power with easy-to-understand stories that cry out for accountability.

So what do we get? Oppo on 17-year-old girls and trash talk about special needs babies.

Gad. Both houses, plague.

And tonight, we can see how the boiz do with hatred for the old! Enjoy!

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And speaking of Oppo, I keep getting biggish hits from Google images -- apparently, somebody isn't willing to link to Corrente directly, ha ha -- for this really, really not work safe post about somebody who's definitely not a 17 year old girl. I wonder why? Got a spike a couple of days ago, and now again.
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Pawlenty.

Jeebus, Palin is way better than Pawlenty. "A purple heart Republican with a heart of gold."

Cat Killer Frist!

Joe Gibbs. "Who possibly could be our coach but God." Shoot me.

Lindsay Graham. "The surge was a test for Barack Obama. He failed."

Tom Ridge. Who set up the order of the speakers?!?!

John McCain. To Obama: "We are fellow Americans. And that's an association that means more to me than any other." In the background, a big field of corn. Camp!

Some disturbance from Code Pink! "Please don't be diverted by the crowd noise and the static. But Americans want us to stop us yelling at each other. These are tough times.' [crowd chants USA USA. Bizarre]

"Change is coming." Apparently, McCain intends to run against Washington. Teh funny.

"I fought lobbyists who stole from Indian Tribes." [Hope Mary Beth isn't listening; she'd have a coronary]

"Their lives should matter..." ["You are not invisible to me."]

"We lost their trust..."

Now the buzzwords: Pro-life, judges that don't legislate, etc.

"... Where a bureaucrat [boo] stands between you and your doctor ..." [Gad. Like the insurance company isn't a bureaucracy....]

Lots of talk about school choice. [Great shot of guy yawning while applauding]

"I'll ask both Democrats and Independents to serve with me." [Joe Lieberman for SecDef. Yeah, maybe that'll finally sink the little turd.]

Here we go with the POW thing. Whaddaya know -- sure, he's a lying sack of shit, but at least he has the decency to keep the focus on his fellow prisoners.

"I wasn't my own man any more; I was my country's."

"Fight with me! Fight with me! ... Nothing is inevitable here. We're Americans! We never quit!" Damn fine peroration, actually, especially given that he's not an orator.

McCain now making his way through the crowd. IIRC, Obama didn't do that.

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Submitted by gqmartinez on

My prediction: I will be celebrating (or mourning) the performance of my fantasy football player during McCain's speech.

Ya'll may get tingles up your legs from political speeches, but I'm cynical trailer trash and don't care what folks say, more what they actually do. And since both sides have already done things I am fundamentally opposed to, I can't vote for either one of 'em. But if I had to pick, the acceptance of fraud elections as a party invariant property of our electoral process is the most damaging outcome I can imagine.

Submitted by lambert on

There's no a continuous curve of shittiness -- it's more like a stairstep.

This year's Ds stepped down one step, at least, too far.

It will be very difficult to get me to vote for the top of the ticket in November; although things could change!

[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

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Submitted by gqmartinez on

such that it is much harder to go back up once you go down.

It's not just this election, really. It's that FL2k and OH2k4 now seem to be completely acceptable as well. If this were an isolated event, I wouldn't be so paranoid--I wouldn't like it, but wouldn't be paranoid. Three elections out of the last three have been shams and that can determine a line.

Off to watch the game. Enjoy the fact-checking and narrative building for me :p.

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Submitted by BDBlue on

I looked at that Talk Left link. Jeralyn has lost her mind over Palin. It's all Palin all the time now. It's very weird.

Something else I won't be looking at tonight if I can help it - John McCain. Hey, I heard a rumor that he was once a POW. Think he'll talk much about that? I've been told he doesn't like to.

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Submitted by gyrfalcon on

it's all propaganda all the time. And the posts have what looks like many fewer comments on them than just a week ago. I think that's probably her intent, since she's been uncomfortable with the intensity of the political argument and wants to go back to a sleepy but intelligent blog on crime isssues (er, or on defense of defendants' issues, I guess would be more accurate).

BTD is said to be ready to come back on Monday, so at least a little meat may return to the blog, but she's now chased away or banned most of the interesting commenters, so I don't know how long that will last. BTD has, ahem, a trigger temper on foolishness, bless his heart.

My own scream of anguish there about the baby sedation thing and the general turn of the blog was vaporized as ostensibly "off-topic," which I expected, but it's still a jolt to see it happen. At least I haven't been (oh, the horror!) "banned," but since most of the interesting people have been for one offense or another, or have left or rarely comment anymore, there's not a lot left anyway.

I think I understand where Jeralyn's coming from, but it's always sad to see the destruction of a once vibrant community of people who don't even have a way of connecting up with each other somewhere else.

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Submitted by amberglow on

from last night - McCain is horrible with a teleprompter and will mess up all his one-liners and attacks, i'm betting.

is anything else good on tonight? tv's sucking lately more than ever, i think.

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Submitted by tnjen on

Marsha Blackburn. Mississippi take her back!

PB 2.0 - Supplement the wonk!

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http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/200...
-- What Palin Offers -- and What It Would Cost --
"... their folksy common-sense, defiant courage, and religious faith are more necessary than some of us acknowledge or even understand, and therefore we may lose the election.

But common sense, defiant courage, and faith, while necessary, are not sufficient, and that is why, if McCain and Palin win, they will lose the America they mean to defend, ..."

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Submitted by gyrfalcon on

piece by Sleeper. On a quick first read-through, I think he nails exactly what's going on with terrific humanity.

OTOH, I made the mistake of reading the first bunch of comments. What he said appears to have gone straight over their heads by a good 20 feet, which is depressing but not surprising given the atmosphere Josh has fostered over the last year.

D'you spose he's proud of that, btw?

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Submitted by amberglow on

but at least Rudy's not narrating.

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Submitted by chrisvee on

The comment at TL about Trig Palin being drugged was so beyond the pale that I was stunned. It was a new low.

I would never vote for McCain but I'm quite disgusted at the tactics being used to promote Obama.

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Submitted by gyrfalcon on

statement that the infant hadn't cried "all day." He was in public view for maybe 10 minutes at the airport and another hour at the convention. This is "all day"?

That kind of statement is just going over to the dark side, IMO.

Submitted by lambert on

I feel sleepy already.

[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

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Submitted by amberglow on

there's no way in hell that many ppl would have watched a Republican convention nowadays.

Submitted by lambert on

Guess the west is his target!

[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

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It made me feel very nostalgic for my childhood to see Trig passed from person-to-person like that last night.

(In reply to the comments about Trig. Not to be considered a political endorsement. I'm undecided.)

Submitted by lambert on

I'm so excited!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

Submitted by [Please enter a... (not verified) on

That string of comments makes me sick. Furious. And I don't ever want to go back to Talk Left. Jeralyn has revealed herself to be just another Markos.

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Submitted by gyrfalcon on

I think she's wildly conflicted, very unhappy about politics, yada yada yada. She's ordinarily not a mean person, but like too many, something about Palin (no idea what specifically) has struck a very raw nerve and she's lashing out. The fact that a fair number who *used to* comment actively on her blog have been defending the woman from the ugliest of the attacks on her seems to have pushed J around the bend.

I dunno. I like Jeralyn and found a comfortable home on her blog for months, so I'm struggling to come to terms with what's happened there.

Submitted by Paul_Lukasiak on

than it has to do with her "conversion" at the convention -- attacking Palin is all about avoidance of confronting the fact that four days of peer pressure from the Obamasphere changed her from "not voting to Obama because of Biden" to "enthusiastic about Obama."

In other words, she's attacking Palin in order to convince herself. Without Palin, she'd be just as nuts -- merely nuts about other things.

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Submitted by DCblogger on

his delivery is very flat.

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Submitted by TreeHugger on

The Obama campaign tactics made me do it. I confess to secretly tuning in to right wingnut radio. Another absolute first for me: watching some of the republican national convention.

My take-away: I still am in total disagreement with their policies, but I am seeing them as people, not the caricatures as portrayed by the left, for the first time in my life...and for that I am thankful.

That said, however, their koolaid is genuinely toxic.

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Submitted by Swift Loris on

I haven't yet tuned in to right-wing radio, and I haven't watched any of the Republican convention except for Rudy and Palin last night, but otherwise you describe exactly where I'm at.

It's scary because it's unfamiliar, but I can't see how it could possibly not be a Good Thing.

Over on TalkLeft a few days ago, the deeply wise Frankly0 nailed it:

"On some level, if people don't grasp that someone can adopt a different ideology from yours and still be a good and decent person, then you've lost some important moral faculty."

I'm afraid that had been the case with me since the Clinton impeachment. But I've Seen the Light, at least with regard to the Republicans. Now I have to be careful I don't swing too far the other way and stop being able to see the Obamacans who inadvertently triggered this awakening as people.

That may be difficult. The sedated-baby bit on TalkLeft was the straw the camel stepped on and broke.

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Submitted by BDBlue on

I'd listen to right-wing radio except possibly to point and laugh at the stupidity. Just because Ed Schultz and Stephanie Miller are morons it doesn't mean Rush Limbaugh is worth listening to. Buy an ipod for goddess' sake.

Maybe it's because I grew up with Republican parents (left the GOP during the Clinton Administration over the panty sniffing) and was briefly one as a result until I was about 20, but I've never had a problem seeing Republicans as people. Many of them these days, however, are very bad people (the party people not necessarily the voters). They've driven a lot of the good ones out of the party and replaced them with conservative nutjobs.

Just because the Democrats are corrupt and awful, doesn't mean that the modern day GOP doesn't have a heart of darkness.

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Submitted by gyrfalcon on

Well said, Swift. I'm in exactly the same place. I still can't tolerate right or left-wing talk radio as it has evolved, but I think I've been permanently cured of reflexive demonization of people whose politics or religion I don't share.

I'm daily reminded of Rev. Bill Coffin's really Dalai Lama-like observation that "Everybody thinks they're doing the right thing."

That's the most profound thing anybody ever said to me. It's truly humbling, and remembering it is humility-inducing.

And on a purely practical level, we can never be successful at fighting through right-wing propagand if we can't put our feet in the other guy's shoes and understand why the propaganda speaks so strongly to ther people's beliefs and aspirations.

There were some lines in Palin's speech the other night that made me cringe violently, but at this point in recent political history, a great deal of it had me shouting "Yes!" So now I understand much more fully some Republican voters' deep, deep resentment of typical Democratic politics.

It's been an eye-opening political year, and mostly not in a good way.

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Submitted by gqmartinez on

Exactly. And that's why the acceptance of a fraud election three cycles in a row scares the crap out of me. Obama supporters think they are "right enough" to engage in fraudulent activity, but so do the cheaters from 2000 and 2004. Obama may be the savior of the world, but if the system becomes completely corrupted, what happens when the next person--more "evil" than McCain--feels they can cheat to win...and they win by cheating? Its scary, scary for me.

My biggest take-home from years of philosophy is that humans are fallible and prone to mistake. I'm not a full-on philosophical skeptic, but I am skeptical of my infallibility. That realization has made me more tolerant of others with differing views.

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And this is the first Republican Convention I've watched. Amazing what a change being uncommitted makes.

It's like listening to people speaking another language.

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Submitted by Iphie on

Especially right now, when (theoretically) more people will be tuning in.

First,
- Heart - Barracuda (okay, I understand choosing the only song named Barracuda, still not creating the most up-to-date image though.)
- Earth Wind & Fire - September (shouldn't that have been Giuliani's song, just to be fair?)
- Kool and the Gang - Celebrate

Is anybody else sensing a theme here with women and AA musicians?

John Fogerty - okay, that's making a little more sense.

Could it be that so many currently producing musicians have asked the Republicans not to use their songs that the only thing left to them is decades old?

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Submitted by Corner Stone on

John McCain may be the worst successful national politician I've ever heard speak. He is horrendous.
I really don't have the words to describe how painful his delivery was.
Gah.

Submitted by lambert on

He just danced with somebody!

It wasn't a great speech. But it was a good speech, and McCain's no orator.

There's a lot to be said for the balloon drop. They're getting good TV out of it.

[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

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Submitted by DCblogger on

they look insipid after the fireworks of Denver.

Submitted by lambert on

They're getting good TV out of it too, as the candidates work the crowd. (Did Obama do that?)

[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

Submitted by jawbone on

experience that changed him--I actually found that riveting. Then, I may have tuned out again, caught the "stand with me and fight" trope at the very end. Not badly done.

The first part and some others I dipped into? Boooooooring. I had to clean out the cats' pans and take out the garbage....

BTW, some are saying Palin's speech last night was like Buchanan's terrible nationalist speech of, when, Poppy's 1st or 2nd convention? My memory of that Buchanan speech was that it was pure raw meat, red in tooth and claw.

Palin's? Huh?

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Submitted by BDBlue on

Palin is trying to hide the fact she's very far right, Buchanan reveled in it.

Not to mention that part of Palin's culture war riff was throwing Obama's bitter remarks back in his face. That's just solid politics, using an opponent's self-inflicted wound.

Don't get me wrong, the culture stuff was there, but it was nowhere near the hysteric pitch Buchanan had in 1992. His speech was an explicit call to arms in the culture war:

Mr Clinton, however, has a different agenda.

At its top is unrestricted abortion on demand. When the Irish-Catholic governor of Pennsylvania, Robert Casey, asked to say a few words on behalf of the 25 million unborn children destroyed since Roe v Wade, he was told there was no place for him at the podium of Bill Clinton's convention, no room at the inn.

Yet a militant leader of the homosexual rights movement could rise at that convention and exult: "Bill Clinton and Al Gore represent the most pro-lesbian and pro-gay ticket in history." And so they do.

Bill Clinton supports school choice--but only for state-run schools. Parents who send their children to Christian schools, or Catholic schools, need not apply.

Elect me, and you get two for the price of one, Mr Clinton says of his lawyer-spouse. And what does Hillary believe? Well, Hillary believes that 12-year-olds should have a right to sue their parents, and she has compared marriage as an institution to slavery--and life on an Indian reservation.

Well, speak for yourself, Hillary.

Friends, this is radical feminism. The agenda Clinton & Clinton would impose on America--abortion on demand, a litmus test for the Supreme Court, homosexual rights, discrimination against religious schools, women in combat--that's change, all right. But it is not the kind of change America wants. It is not the kind of change America needs. And it is not the kind of change we can tolerate in a nation that we still call God's country.

A president is also commander in chief, the man we empower to send sons and brothers, fathers and friends, to war.

George Bush was 17 when they bombed Pearl Harbor. He left his high school class, walked down to the recruiting office, and signed up to become the youngest fighter pilot in the Pacific war. And Mr Clinton? When Bill Clinton's turn came in Vietnam, he sat up in a dormitory in Oxford, England, and figured out how to dodge the draft.

Which of these two men has won the moral authority to call on Americans to put their lives at risk? I suggest, respectfully, it is the patriot and war hero, Navy Lieutenant J. G. George Herbert Walker Bush.

My friends, this campaign is about philosophy, and it is about character; and George Bush wins on both counts--going away; and it is time all of us came home and stood beside him.

As running mate, Mr Clinton chose Albert Gore. And just how moderate is Prince Albert? Well, according to the Taxpayers Union, Al Gore beat out Teddy Kennedy, two straight years, for the title of biggest spender in the Senate.

And Teddy Kennedy isn't moderate about anything.

In New York, Mr Gore made a startling declaration. Henceforth, he said, the "central organizing principle" of all governments must be: the environment.

Wrong, Albert!

The central organizing principle of this republic is freedom. And from the ancient forests of Oregon, to the Inland Empire of California, America's great middle class has got to start standing up to the environmental extremists who put insects, rats and birds ahead of families, workers and jobs.

[Snip]

My friends, this election is about much more than who gets what. It is about who we are. It is about what we believe. It is about what we stand for as Americans. There is a religious war going on in our country for the soul of America. It is a cultural war, as critical to the kind of nation we will one day be as was the Cold War itself. And in that struggle for the soul of America, Clinton & Clinton are on the other side, and George Bush is on our side. And so, we have to come home, and stand beside him.

[Snip]

Friends, in those wonderful 25 weeks, the saddest days were the days of the bloody riot in LA, the worst in our history. But even out of that awful tragedy can come a message of hope.

Hours after the violence ended I visited the Army compound in south LA, where an officer of the 18th Cavalry, that had come to rescue the city, introduced me to two of his troopers. They could not have been 20 years old. He told them to recount their story.

They had come into LA late on the 2nd day, and they walked up a dark street, where the mob had looted and burned every building but one, a convalescent home for the aged. The mob was heading in, to ransack and loot the apartments of the terrified old men and women. When the troopers arrived, M-16s at the ready, the mob threatened and cursed, but the mob retreated. It had met the one thing that could stop it: force, rooted in justice, backed by courage.

Greater love than this hath no man than that he lay down his life for his friend. Here were 19-year-old boys ready to lay down their lives to stop a mob from molesting old people they did not even know. And as they took back the streets of LA, block by block, so we must take back our cities, and take back our culture, and take back our country.

As the late Molly Ivins noted at the time, it probably sounded better in the original German.

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Submitted by Corner Stone on

I honestly don't know how to relate to that.
But when he said tonight "they broke me" or words to that effect - that really stuck with me.
Don't get me wrong, I disagree with everything McCain is about and I've seen all his POW claims before now but that sank in.
To speak to that vulnerability is a change from where JSM has been - ISTM.

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