This shouldn’t be so difficult, but it is. Even an “expert” can be confused by nomenclature and imprecise press releases; an interested but less than fanatic follower of the process has no chance to keep things straight.
A while back I wrote about a change in the DNC Rules and Bylaws Standing Committee, with a new membership that did not include Donna Brazille – good news, thought I. But as it turns out, I was wrong. And boy, am I embarrassed.
The DNC press release I read, and copied to file, wasn’t exactly as clear as it should have been – or perhaps I was denser than I should have been. (You know what? Let’s all agree to blame Howard Dean for this one, shall we?) A look at the currentDNC web site now makes it clear, though; the new Rules Committee is a committee for the Rules of the Convention, not a replacement of the Rules and Bylaws Committee that refused to recognize the Florida and Michigan elections. [reaches for Aspirin bottle]
So are we all straightened out now? Thought not. Slowly, so I can keep up: There are two Rules Committees. Apparently naming two committees similarly is another way the DNC keeps the nominating process transparent and easy to follow. One of them is the Rules Committee for the Convention, so let’s call them “RCC.” The other is the Rules and Bylaws Committee that controls the delegate selection process, and let’s call them “R&BC” to save my fingertips and keep them discernable. [reaches for Maalox bottle]
The RCC will meet sometime in August to settle on rules for the operation of the convention. This would mostly be to sanction existing boilerplate, but depending on what happens with FL and MI delegate seating, appeals, and assorted other hoo-hah between now and then they may have to put together some new rules to help the Convention deal with conflicts.
The R&BC [stay with me now] will be meeting in Washington DC on May 31 to rule on pending appeals from the state Democratic Committees from both FL (DFL) and MI (DMI). Sadly, Donna Brazille still squats on the R&BC. [reaches for Scotch bottle]
There will not be, at this point, much effect from this meeting on the overall pledged delegate outcome; Obama will end up with a majority of all of the pledged delegates but not enough to secure the nomination. The decision on the nomination will, almost certainly, be made by the superdelegates who have not yet declared, and that will probably happen sometime in June.
The purpose of the May 31 meeting is to make nice with DFL and DMI – at least publically – and thereby pacify the understandably upset (although slothful) voters of MI and FL.
There are 30 members on R&BC, and decisions are made by majority rule; the members from MI and FL, one each*, cannot vote on matters dealing with their own state, so the functional committee size will be 29. Most of the members of R&BC have declared an affiliation for one candidate or the other. According to my "expert" tally, Clinton is two short of having her supporters control the committee:
Co-Chairs - no endorsement
Alexis Herman (co-chair, D.C.)
James Roosevelt, Jr. (co-chair, MA)Members - no known endorsement (6)
*Mark Brewer (MI)
Ralph Dawson (NY)
Yvonne Gates ( NV)
Alice Germond (DC) - DNC Secretary
David McDonald (WA)
Jerome Wiley Segovia (VA)Members - Clinton supporters (13)
Hartina Flournay (DC)
Donald Fowler (SC)
Jaime Gonzalez, Jr. (TX)
Alice Huffman (CA)
Harold Ickes, Jr. (DC)
Ben Johnson (DC)
Elaine Kamarck (MA)
Eric Kleinfeld (DC)
Mona Pasquil (CA)
Mame Reiley (VA)
Garry Shay (CA)
Elizabeth Smith (DC)
Michael Steed (MD)Members - Obama supporters (9)
Donna Brazille (DC)
Carol Khare Fowler (SC)
Martha Fuller Clark (NH)
Janice Griffin (MD)
Thomas Hynes (IL)
*Allan Katz (FL)
Sharon Stroschein (SD)
Sarah Swisher (IA)
Everett Ward (NC)
R&BC members have been asked to arrive on the day before the meeting and not plan to leave until the day after. The goal is to get this mess settled and done with.
Lots of rumors flying around about how R&BC will rule, most of them partisan wishful thinking. I believe (in my “expert” opinion) that it will settle out along the following lines:
Florida will be addressed first and in the end will have all of the superdelegates seated at full strength, independent of any announced affiliation. Their selection will be left up to DFL. The pledged delegates, the ones selected (more or less) by the too-early election, will be seated with 1/2 vote each in support of the need to enforce the “50% penalty" in Democratic Party rules.
Apportionment by candidate will be left to DFL, thus separating R&BC and the DNC from any blowback regarding favoritism towards one candidate or the other. It can be expected that DFL will apportion the candidates within the FL election rules and in conformation with Party delegate selection rules, probably giving Clinton 105 delegates with 52.5 votes, Obama 69 delegates with 34.5 votes and Edwards 11 delegates with 5.5 votes. Unless not.
Michigan is a bit dicier, since Obama was not on the ballot, but having settled Florida the same approach will be used to drive this settlement. All of the superdelegates will be probably be seated at full strength, with DMI given the task of selecting them. It is with the pledged delegates that the confusion will lie. (DMI rules are here, not that anyone seems to be paying them any attention.)
While Clinton had won the popular vote count and so could expect to receive a majority of the pledged delegates, the Michigan election process is two-step with elected delegates voting at district conventions. That secondary process kept Clinton’s pledged delegate count the same but moved half of the Uncommitted pledged delegates to an Obama-affiliated group. The state DMI committee was then supposed to meet on May 17 to select PLEO and At-Large delegates, but that meeting has now been postponed until June 14.
Further complicating matters, because I guess at this point why not, DMI has submitted a formal proposal to R&BC suggesting a split of pledged delegates unfavorable to Clinton. How this will be sorted out is anyone’s guess, but if Clinton supporters have the majority of the committee votes she should have her way and secure the pledged delegates in proportion to her margin in the election itself. Whatever, those pledged delegates will probably also be seated with 1/2 vote each.
Unless, of course, something different happens. (drains Maalox bottle, guzzles Scotch, crumples “expert” medallion, clutches chest, sobs quietly)
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crap. i'm too frakking tired to respond intelligently
but i do thank you for this important post. if you're (any of you) going to care deeply about the dem nom, this is the sort of shit you should be reading, much more than the "your candidate sux" sort of stuff.
nice job, BIO.
You can take the shudderquotes off "expert"
You're following this critical story. That's wonderful. And to correct errors is glorious. Expertise evolves.
Will the 5/31 stuff be on C-SPAN, do you know?
[x] Any (D) in the general. [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.
Rules & Bylaws meeting announcement - Open to Public
Limited space, registration required. Nothing about television or radio.
Any of our DC contributors want to go?
Modulo RL demands, of course...
[x] Any (D) in the general. [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.
Scary Smart Anglachel has a new post up re: Legitimacy
The usual "must read"
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“The Clintons' biggest failure is that they couldn't get their own party to support them.” - Bartcop
Shudderquotes have to stay
Self-flagellation, penitence, scarification. We all have our redenption rituals, this is mine. Bad enough to get it wrong from apparenly sloppy reading, worse to have spread it around. Bad BIO; bad, bad BIO. "" are a small price to pay.
Great info
Apparently politics will determine whether Ruulz are followed.
Whodathunk?
I posted links to The Ruulz, with citations at TL
here and here.
My proposal:
We go back to the original rules penalty. Michigan and Florida are each penalized half. Obama gets zero Florida delegates for running television ads there before the primary. Obama gets some reasonable percentage of the Michigan uncommited delegates (apparently that was already done).
The Rulz are the Rulz, he should feel grateful to get those the Michigan uncommitteds since maybe some of those uncommitted people would have voted for Hillary!
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Good night and good riddance!
The rules are only for show
and written so they can easily be manipulated to mean whatever the people in actual power within the Party want them to mean. Both parties are that way. Hell, all political parties are that way. They're political, not democracies.
Only recently has there even been this pretense of people-power; the smoke-filled back room was the preferred process since forever, and people complained but so what? Now we have these trappings of ability to participate and people believed in them as though they were something real; suddenly it dawns that the trappings are insubstantial and people are complaining - but so what?
This one will be decided in a back room, smoke-free but otherwise the same as always. Politics, same as it ever was.
I can't get my knickers in too much of a twist over the Party not doing something that they only half-assed pretended they were going to do. Shame on whoever believed them, I say; next time read the fine print.
All I care about is having the DNC chose the candidate with the best chance to beat McCain. The rest we can sort out afterwards.
I disagree
That's like saying, of the Rotten Borough system in the 19th C UK, "same as it ever was." Or 3/5 of a man, if it comes to that.
If you want to remedy injustice, then the first step is to recognize it, then call it out! I recognize the realpolitik, but philosophers have only described the fine print; the point is to change it. At which point the rejoinder may be, the voters should be doing that. To which my rejoinder is that I am doing my own small bit, and that which I am good at, to help them. And to advance justice.
[x] Any (D) in the general. [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.
That seems unlikely to happen at this point
All I care about is having the DNC chose the candidate with the best chance to beat McCain. The rest we can sort out afterwards.
We're probably in another part of the decision tree now. (Imagine a branched structure with colors/brightnesses fluctuating as the cumulative likelihood of each branch changes. Entire branches go dark as they become impossible, new branches lighting up as new decisions become available...)
Anyway, we need to concern ourselves with likely and worst cases as well as working for the more optimal branches.
Allow me to clarify
Miserable day today. Affects my perspective across the board.
Of course people should press for change, and I mean no disrespect for those who are doing so; go get 'em. My cynical view is that much of what is happening now in the primary/R&BC is way out of any outside influence; getting angry over it, especially with each other, is unlikely to benefit and actually helps those in power stay in power. Too much anger happening.
This particular process is IMHO long past the point where anyone outside can have any immediate effect on the process itself. That said, it is certainly important to voice concerns, demand change, and hopefully make some suggestions about what form that change might take. Agreed here, yes, that calling for change without offering a direction, a la Obama, is less than optimal?
Cenobite, put down the 'shrooms: "Imagine a branched structure with colors/brightnesses fluctuating...Entire branches go dark as they become impossible, new branches lighting up...." Actually, pass 'em over here; I could use some brightening. Not too late at all; if Dean, Pelosi and Reid wanted to, they could stop this right now. That they haven't done so IMHO means they haven't actually decided who to back. Pound on them now if you have an opinion; they are the only powers left who matter.
I know how to brighten your day!
Zinsser B-I-N-S shellac primer! I'm going to be uber-bright myself, very shortly....
[x] Any (D) in the general. [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.
Lambert finds a useful tool
Isn't it a joy, just every once and a while, to come across something that does exactly what you want it to do?
I keep begging for pictures; why isn't this a book? Lambert Paints A Wall, illustrated. A fun read for the whole family.
Remember to open a window; too much of a good thing....
Hey, I hack games
I don't need 5-HT agonists to think up stuff like that.
You're totally welcome to my share of any 4-HO-DMT that comes along.