If you have "no place to go," come here!

Scenes from Hillary's rally this evening.

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[Thanks to Iphie for more first-hand reporting. -- lambert]

If the race is over someone forgot to tell the people who stood in a line that wrapped itself around an entire Manhattan city block for 2+ hours this evening.

I was one of them. I arrived shortly before 7:00 (the tickets said 7:00), but thinking that like so many other election night events it wouldn't start anywhere near that time I was under the false impression that I would be there early. Nope. When I got there, the line already stretched around two sides of the block.

After about two hours in a very slow moving line (the Secret Service provided one of the most thorough, yet considerate, searches of my handbag that I have ever seen) we were told that the main hall was full to capacity but that we could watch it from an overflow room.

In the overflow room they had CNN projecting on a large screen (the lesser of all evils, I guess?). It was shortly after we found seats that I noticed there were some Obama supporters in the room. As we were watching some of the results come in they started cheering when Blitzer told us that Obama had enough delegates and had won the nomination. Whatever. But I should have realized that they were up to no good when they stopped cheering for Obama and one of them put on a Hillary button.

A woman in the crowd stood up and told us that if we stuck around after the speech was over, someone had told her there was the possibility that Hillary would come by when she finished up in the main hall.

So we watch the speech with occasional outbreaks of massive cheering from the crowd. Even if we weren't watching the speech in person, it was great to watch it with hundreds of other people who are equally invested in a Hillary presidency.

Most people stayed after the speech was over and a little while later staff came in and started setting up a rope line and someone tested the microphone -- I was exhausted, but I was definitely staying. At some point everyone crowded up to the rope even though Hillary had yet to be sighted. I did notice, however, that a couple of the girls who had cheered for Obama had managed to push their way right up to the front. I was standing about 4 or 5 people back. Finally both Hillary and Chelsea show up. I managed to get a few pictures -- a couple of good ones of Chelsea, but the ones of Hillary are pretty blurry.

After the initial cheers subsided a bit, the two of them started shaking hands and posing for photos. That's when the Obamabots who were standing directly in front of Hillary started chanting "Obama! Obama!" Hillary looked momentarily taken aback, but then kept going. The rest of us started chanting "Hillary! Hillary!" to try to down them out but I think most of us were taken aback as well. It's also kind of difficult to sustain shouting at the top of your lungs when there's a person standing three feet in front of you -- especially when that person is Hillary Clinton and you're shouting her name. So that died down, which is about when the group of them shouted "Concede, you liar! Concede!"

Wow. Just wow.

What would make a person stand in line for over two hours, then sit in an auditorium doing a whole lot of nothing waiting to hear a speech, then watch that speech surrounded by hundreds of cheering supporters of a candidate you are openly hostile towards, then sit around for another 45 minutes just so you can have an opportunity to hurl insults directly to a person's face? What would make someone throw away almost four hours of their lives for such a purpose? Party unity?

Not surprisingly, this seemed to be the reason that Hillary and Chelsea's visit with us was oh, so very brief. The microphone that was tested was never used, and neither of them walked the entirety of the rope line.

What is it about this man that turns his supporters into rabid little monsters?

P.U.M.A. indeed. I don't want to be in the same country with these people, much less the same party.

I was hoping to actually say a couple of words to the Senator but that obviously didn't happen. Here's a couple of the fuzzy pictures, though.



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Submitted by Swift Loris on

Thank you so much! I'm sorry you had to go through that ugliness from the Obama supporters, but they're really not important. You got a couple of nice snaps of Hillary and Chelsea--boy, is that a *BLUE* suit Hillary's wearing! It stands for the Democratic Party I signed up with more than half a century ago and that Hillary still embodies, not the monster it's developed into during this campaign.

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Submitted by Gidget Commando on

Those jerks can iron my unity

I love you. I'm sharing that one everywhere I can (with all proper credit, of course).

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Submitted by myiq2xu on

would have discouraged them.

Keep a smile on your face and don't look at them when they turn around, and they won't be sure who did it.

If you're next to one, "accidentally" step on their foot while bumping into them, they'll go down in a heap. Fall on top of them, and act like someone pushed you too.

They came to cause a disruption, so disrupting their plans is fair.

Hell, if they were agressive, grab them and yank ‘em back, and you could always claim you thought they were going to attack Hillary. You wouldn’t get prosecuted cuz you would have lots of witnesses on your side.

If you’re too timid for that, just tell a Secret Service agent they’re acting suspicious, they’ll never get near Hillary.

“Rules are not necessarily sacred, principles are.”
- Franklin D. Roosevelt

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Submitted by Davidson on

Why am I even shocked that Obama supporters would pull such a pitiful stunt? This is but the latest example of a national pattern of irrational hatred that is bigotry and nothing more. The very identity of his fan base seems dependent on hate. They just can't help themselves (Why should they, when Obama, the Democratic "leadership," and so much of the public approves?).

Denying a woman the nomination and, thus, the presidency* is their goal, which is why they're enjoying their "win" (without a care about the GE). His November loss would not undo the damage caused by this fuckery--and deep down they know it.

C'mon, Hillary. In this game of chicken, do away with the steering wheel.

Oh, and Iphie: your first-hand accounts are must-reads. Thank you. Sorry you had to deal with such shit.

*Clinton would whup McCain.

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Submitted by Sima on

Just insane. Such hatred is just insane. These people are scary, and I will never vote for the person who inspires them to such horrid acts.

What is this country coming to when such uncivil and horrid behavior is condoned by some and encouraged by others?

Iphie, thank you for the report.

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Submitted by BDBlue on

Via Talk Left, the Politico reports:

. . . Obama is not, one of his senior advisers assured me Tuesday night, going to spend a lot of time in the next few months wooing Clinton supporters whose feelings may be hurting.


We hate Hillary Clinton and care more about crushing the Clinton wing of the party more than we want to win in November.

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Submitted by Bluegrass Poet on

for the report and the photos. After I went to the rally in Lexington, my 90-year-old mother asked me if Hillary is really as pretty as she looks on t.v. I was very pleased to be able to answer, yes!

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Submitted by jackyt on

seems dependent on hate."

Hatred, the abject, bottomless pit kind, always, ALWAYS, tells more about the hater than the hatee. This behavior is the apt parallel between the Obama campaign and the rise of Hitler and the Nazis in 1930s Germany.

I weep for my country.

Submitted by jawbone on

Actually, since they deal in flash mobs, maybe you lucked out there were only a few. Could have been ugly.

Party crashers. Feh. (And like they're going to be there to the work in coming years!)

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Submitted by Iphie on

though there was one woman who was probably in her forties who was not the most active member of the mob, but who seemed to be steering the younger members toward the front and encouraging them.

Submitted by lambert on

Cute, huh? Wear a Hillary button so you can shove your way in front of real supporters and scream abuse.

Trollish. At one point, I thought this behavior was confined to the online world. Silly me.

NOTE "More later". Hmm.... Check the rest of the comments for the usual hate and misogyny which, I'm coming to understand, is (for these people) not a bug but a feature.

[x] Any (D) in the general. [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

Submitted by cg.eye on

I mean, they said it plain -- the first few comments in that post had their trolls open and relaxed, musing on the methods of Obama's assassination.

No. I am not kidding. Oh, they couch it in good concern troll patois, but there's entirely too much joy in visualizing bullet trajectories to even pretend they care for the well-being of any Democrat in power, let alone the putative nominee.

And technically they have *three* posts of boasting of their harassment of a standing US Senator, among her own crowd of supporters. No need for a camera phone, here -- they attach their names to the deeds.

And about the GOP reptilian faces behind the jocular Obama Youth Pepsodent grins, this comment kinda says it all:

This seems to be a nice little sailboat for a floating commune, 157 feet, 18 cabins, only 2 million Euros.
When the fascist coup comes, we will need a refuge, comrades.

Oh, the leftist hilarity.

And, you tell me -- if you didn't know where this next quote came from, would you assume it came from a blog that claimed it was so anti-racist that it supported a black nominee for President?

@rptrcub: Sounds good to me. We need some way to make money. We could cruise the caribbean on an endless circuit, a pirate microbrewery, stopping at every bar and restaurant to pick up empties and drop off cases of our pirate beer. Bare-chested polynesian women will swim out to greet us as we enter each port as the town celebrates our arrival (we may have to import polynesian women for this purpose, or get a good makeup artist to make whatever women are available look polynesian, whats important here is bare-chested women swimming out to greet us.) We’ll sing traditional songs as we work (come mr. beer man, tally me dese empties, beer-boat come and me wan go drink). That would be a life, wouldn’t it, running a floating brewery on a yacht in the Carribean?

Don't you think any adult who knew these punks were associated with Obama's campaign would speak up about the sloppy-handed tastelessness? No?

So again I say: RATFUCKERS.

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Smug thugs.

And the poorest winners to ever be assured of losing.

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I'm so happy that you got into the event and could share your experiences with us.

I'm just so angry at what the Obama supporters did -- I couldn't help but rant.

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Submitted by FlipYrWhig on

Thanks for the report -- any chance this gets mentioned in the corporate media? I'll presume "no," but, it'd be nice.

The very identity of his fan base seems dependent on hate.

I'm not sure it's "hate." It's more like a truly juvenile idea of "coolness" mixed with bullying. They do rude things to the "loser" so that they can impress their "cool" friends. I'm guessing that afterwards they said, "That was classic! Did you see the look on her face?"

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Submitted by Aeryl on

To a website, where a commenter was celebrating about doing this, and linked back to Iphie's post, so I would say yes, they all went out a bragged about it.

Bill Clinton for First Dude!!!

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Submitted by Pat J on

Rather reminiscent of the Brown Shirts. These cultists are beyond comprehension. To insult a former First Lady, a two time NY Senator right to her face is beyond explanation. Never will I vote for this man. It would validate the worst aspects of what he "claims" to represent. They do this shamelessly because it is condoned. What assholes!

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Submitted by amberglow on

i should have come across town to was a great speech, as usual. : >

(even in victory, his supporters are assholes--just pathetic)

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Submitted by Pacific John on

I'm dumb enough that this sort of thing keeps kicking me in the gut. I'm too dumb to learn, and always expect better of fellow Dems.

BTW, PUMAs, want to Draft Hillary?

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Submitted by Auntie Meme on I would say yes, they all went out a bragged about it.

I smell a dominance meme coming on. No, they didn't commit any physical violence but their bragging lays waste to any idea that this was about free speech, the Democratic party or *gasp* Unity. The only reason I can laugh about it is because it shows the pathetic WATB for what they really are. Having experienced the boys will be boys syndrome firsthand, I know the difference between political opposition (see Code Pink) and an attempt at subjugation by silencing. What is sickening is that these boys enjoyed it. It demonstrated their ___________________ mentality. (I can insert any number of applicable words here, but I'm sure you have a few that are germane as well.)

Does Barry have no clue about what's going on in his name?

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Submitted by Fredster on

since they were close by was to cut a big fart. It would have cleared 'em out in a hurry. And of course no one ever owns up to doing such things.

Submitted by lambert on

... is taken their pictures with your cell.

Then posted them. Especially the woman doing the organizing.

[x] Any (D) in the general. [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

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Does Barry have no clue about what’s going on in his name?

"Obama knows!" is what we said election night in El Paso. We didn't say it matter of fact, but as a shocked revelation. The TX caucuses, because they used relatively extensive documentation, demonstrated state-wide patterns. We knew many of the precincts that had various dirty tricks played in them.

Did Obama know his people challenged voter signatures to kick Alice Palmer off the ballot? Did Obama know that his SC campaign juiced charges of racism in the press? Did Obama know that his people used caucus tactics unprecedented in the modern party?

Yes, he knew. He knows.

And that's the untold story here: too many people have direct experience with his little thugs. This is not a matter of drawing back in supporters who have lost a traditional primary, but trying to draw back in people who were cheated and abused.

By how many percent points are national elections won and lost these days? What percentage of Americans have stories like Iphie's?

Are the superdelegates idiots?

We know the answer to that, too.

Submitted by lambert on

If his Internet people haven't told him, they're derelict, but Obama has run a flawless campaign, so they can't be.

It happens because he wants to be happening.

And without pushback, it will keep happening, just like any other form of abuse.

a[x] Any (D) in the general. [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

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Submitted by ice on

If you see this sort of thing happening, please try to get names (video if possible). Take a picture - you had a camera, right?

Then write the Obama campaign, and in clear language explain what happened, identifying the people involved (including photos, maybe).

That has a better chance of effecting change - yet at the same time, you don't insult millions of Obama voters by saying

"What is it about this man that turns his supporters into rabid little monsters?"

There's nothing at all about him, or Hillary, that makes supporters act poorly.

My question to you is, what is it that makes you describe so many millions of people with phrases like that? Is that honestly how you believe all Obama supporters act?

Submitted by lambert on

Millions? No, of course not.

Many, many? You bet.

Do I have time to do your research for you? No, not after months of posting on it. So sorry.

Nice work blaming the victims, though. Cue the "both sides do it!" talking point!

[x] Any (D) in the general. [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

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Submitted by Iphie on

on an earlier post, I do not believe that the majority of Obama supporters behave as his mob supporters do. I'm calling them "mob supporters" because you have objected to other terms such as OFB, Obamabots, etc., although you have yet to get back to me with what you deem to be an appropriate appellation.

And I disagree -- there is something about him that makes a very large number of his supporters engage in online and offline bullying and harassment. Either that, or something about him makes him incredibly attractive to bullies who are just acting out their natural inclinations. Either way, a very large number of his supporters regularly abuse and denigrate anyone who doesn't agree with them. And while you may be able to point to examples of such behavior in any election, there is something unique about the regularity and frequency that these things occur when Obama's mob is involved. And if Obama wanted to stop it, he could. He could make public statements letting people know that this sort of behavior is abhorrent and completely inappropriate and he does not want anyone associated with his name or his campaign to engage in anything even remotely like it. But he doesn't.

And I'm sorry, but your contention that had I documented the behavior and forwarded it to the Obama campaign that they would care one whit is just ridiculous. They have not said a single word when any of their surrogates have gone on television and mocked Hillary (e.g., Jesse Jackson Jr.), unless it has the potential to harm them (e.g., Rev. Pfleger). Instead, when they allow such things to pass without comment they are giving their tacit approval -- which is a message the Obamabots understand perfectly well, and is why they continue to behave the way they do.

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Submitted by BDBlue on

The Obamabots strike again, this time over at Shakesville. Here's Melissa McEwan's response to their hijacking a thread so that they can denigrate women and generally act like bullies.

The rampaging misogyny is going to be very hard to put back in the bottle. It's taken on a force of its own. And, as a woman, I'd like to give a big FUCK YOU to the many of my fellow alleged progressives (e.g. fauxgressives) for not only not protesting it, but denying it even existed. I understand how empowering it must be to create your own reality, but did you have to make my reality that much harder by increasing the hatred I face because I do not have a Y chromosome?

I would also like to thank the few, the proud, the true liberals* here and elsewhere, like BTD, who have refused to sit silently in the face of this unrelenting sexist bullshit.

* I hope you don't mind me using the L-word. The P-word has been trashed in record time as far as I'm concerned.

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Submitted by OxyCon on

After a decade of debating right wingers, and having them call me all kinds of rotten things that began with "left wing ______", I can honestly say that the Obama faction of the left are exponentially much worse people than the right wingers.
I actually feel a strange kind of kindred spirit with the wingers now, having seen up front what left wing scumbags are actually capable of doing.
Those right wingers I've debated did not know me personally when they insulted me, but they sure had the Obama faction of the Dem party nailed.
The America hating left really are a bunch of scumbags. Let them have their day now, 'cuz it won't last long, just like Bush's days in the Sun were over about a week after his second inaugural. Bush reaped what he sowed. Obama and his supporters are much worse people than Bush and his supporters and have sowed alot more hatred and derision. America is going to take one look at these people and collectively throw up in their mouths in revulsion.

Submitted by lambert on

Who said the OFB are on the left? Lord Kos said Obama wasn't that progressive, and the positions The Unit has staked out are slightly to the right of Hillary's.

And last I checked, the OFB weren't for torture.

So the mob mentality, and many of the techniques are the same, but the mobs themselves are different.

Of course, that might be because the right had power and the "left" has not yet had the opportunity to be corrupted. It will be interesting to see if and when the A list starts walking back on torture and telco immunity. If they don't, that would be great news.

[x] Any (D) in the general. [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

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Submitted by ice on

Was that aimed at me? If so, why the sarcasm?

Many posters and commenters at this site are continually putting down all Obama supporters. I think that's ridiculous. It's also so obviously inaccurate that it knocks down the credibility of anyone who does so.

Now if I get your earlier response "You don't have to come here", I don't see the point. This blog wasn't founded on being an echo chamber, but that's what it's become. Why? What is gained by chasing away all dissenting voices?

Implying that anyone who didn't vote for Hillary is a misogynist? That's ridiculously weak. As it happens, I live in Seattle, and before that California, and the last 4 senators I've voted for are Feinstein, Boxer, Murray, and Cantwell. I didn't vote for Cantwell in her last primary, but I voted for Hong Tran, another woman (far more progressive than Cantwell). The last governor I voted for was Christine Gregoire.

So, no, I don't think I have a problem voting for a woman. Though I did, at the last moment, decide to vote for Dukakis over Fulani in '88.

It is extremely ignorant to categorize politicians by the worst of their supporters. It works just as poorly with Clinton as it does with Obama.

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The cult freak candidate that everyone in NYC knew to shy away from, because her psychoanalytic cult master was based there?


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Submitted by ice on

I believe you, of course, that you don't actually think so critically of all Obama supporters. But I don't see why this line is in here:

"What is it about this man that turns his supporters into rabid little monsters?"

I can't imagine the same line about Clinton supporters passing at corrente unscathed.

I've said this many times before - I didn't vote for Obama. I'm on record (Washington caucuses, so my vote is written on a piece of paper in some Democratic party office) as voting for John Edwards. A candidate I found far, far superior to either Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama.

Would the Obama campaign have reacted to an email from you? I can't say. I'm not connected to them in any way.

However, I think it would have been good practice. Send the email, copy it in a post here. Be calm and civil in your language. And then, if they didn't respond to that - well, that's the kind of information that would actually make people feel differently (that Obama's staff did not respond to a fairly written and well-documented account of abusive behavior - particularly any kind of physical abuse).

It's very clear what the intent of terms like "OFB", "Obamabots", or "Obamatrons" is - it's to demean those people supporting Obama. It's not complimentary. It's insulting.

I use the term "Obama supporter" myself. It's a bit bulky, but seems the fairest description. Equally, I use the term "Hillary supporter". There are plenty of demeaning terms that people use to describe those who voted for Hillary, and they don't advance the discourse one bit.

While I feel I've seen a lot of politics go down in the last 20 years, I admit that the vitriol in the blogosphere has really surprised me this primary. The article at firedoglake expressed my beliefs pretty well.

(by a Hillary supporter)

I'll be obnoxious and share one of my takes on politics that I think is important. None of us know Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama. I mean, unless you are actually a personal friend, or worked with her/him for years - you don't know. So I don't get that involved with the personality of the politician. I don't consider a politician my friend, or anything like that. Obviously I respect some more than others, but that's because of actions they've taken, or very specific things they've said.

Ultimately, I don't expect to know these politicians as people. I just hope to figure out what they'll do if elected. My evaluation is that Obama and Hillary would be very similar, and I slightly prefer Obama not as punishment for anything Hillary has done, nor reward for anything Obama has done, but because I think there are a couple ways in which he'll better address issues that I care about. I would prefer Hillary on health care and a couple other things, but I find Obama far more willing to significantly change the way the US acts on the world stage (militarily). And that's a big deal to me.


I'm going to bow out of Corrente for another few weeks. I've been a reader for a very long time, and I've commented in the past (when it wasn't registered-only). And now I've commented a dozen or so times in the last couple weeks. Although I've tried very hard to be non-incendiary and factual in everything I've written, my comments haven't been received that way, so I'll come back in a month and check out the scene.

Best of luck, and peace out.

- Ice

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Submitted by Aeryl on

“What is it about this man that turns his supporters into rabid little monsters?”

I can’t imagine the same line about Clinton supporters passing at corrente unscathed.

Show me proof of parity, in the behavior of Clinton supporters, to the documented behavior of Obama supporters, and that line would past unscathed.

There is no equivalation between their behavior.


As I've said earlier, a lot of people bought that Bush was a nice moderate guy, based on his rhetoric. If we had judged him based on the actions of his supporters, we would have known the real score going in.

Bill Clinton for First Dude!!!

Submitted by lambert on

... don't put it on, ice.

There is a subclass of Obama supporters composed, indeed, of little monsters. We designate those supporters as members of the OFB. At Corrente, at least, belief in this distinction is directly correlated to those who actually did the work of seeking out the environments that they infest and interacting with them: I spent two solid weeks at DK when the OFB and the Kos sysadmins were in the process of purging it, and I know the distinction exists.

However, if your first or second response to a Hillary supporter isn't "you're a racist," or you didn't fall for the last RFK smear from the Obama campaign, or if you don't go to Hillary rallies in disguise so you can yell at her, or if you don't indulge in Hillary hate on regular basis, or if you don't make misognynist remarks about Hillary, or if you don't repeat Axelrod's talking points in unison with others... Then the shoe doesn't fit. Don't put it on.

Or, as an alternative, you could blame the victims of bullshit for calling it and flounce off. Which, apparently, you plan to do. Good luck.

NOTE It's exactly like the idea of a troll. Trolls exist, have done since the 90s at least. And the reason it's demeaning to call someone a troll is that trollish behavior is repugnant and destructive. Similarly, the term OFB is intended to demean, because OFB behavior is repugant and destructive. It's funny, or not, how everybody who objects to the term can never point to any efforts on their part to clean up the disgusting threads that led to the invention of the term. Draw what conclusions you will; for my part, I believe that the Obama campaign was entirely happy to leverage all such behavior, and that bodes very ill for the future.

[x] Any (D) in the general. [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.