I do question the wisdom of it though. I hope they don’t end up bitter.

” … we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender …”- Winston Churchill

I can only guess at the constant indignities of going thru life with dark skin, the constant acts of cluelessness which must be endured. Here is a chance to raise up one of their own, not a message candidate, but a winner. Yeah, people are taking it to heart and acting in inappropriate ways.

You have to give Obama credit for courage, because he and his are feeling the same in reverse, not from the Clinton camp, but from the hate radio camp and all those under its spell. It is going to be a hell of an election.

It is not very popular to say it, but the Kennedy’s were a pack of users and still are, that is why I supported HHH in 1968 and Carter in 1980. Why should Obama and his people be any better?

But if you look at the underlined portions of the post, that’s not about support — that’s about bullying and scorched earth tactics that destroy community assets. Same deal we’re used to everywhere else. See? Obama really is post-racial. He wants to be President of some of the American people wherever he goes.

[x] Any (D) in the general. [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

would be even more dramatic if Obama weren’t getting 95% of the African American vote. There was a good discussion over at The Confluence on this (no link to the actual post in question because their server is down. But it was a post from today.) The consolidation of all classes of African Americans for Obama masks the real battles going on within the party. Asian Americans and Hispanics are voting for Hillary in the same proportion as the “white working class”.

The link just links back to this post. If you or Captain Kirk don’t fix it soon, the computer will start belching smoke from the infinite feedback loop.

the link’s not right—this is it—

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/con…

What’s most sad about the threats and smears against all who don’t love him is that it reinforces the already strong “he’s weak and we’re protecting him” thing.

is the meme that Wright “betrayed” Obama. I thought holy men were supposed to have a higher duty from God to speak the truth. Not just to speak it, but to speak out with it.

While I don’t agree with many of the things Wright says, I think he was speaking the truth as he sees it. He might be crazy, but he’s honest.

But now some people are criticizing Wright for not keeping quiet, or perhaps even for not lying to help Obama.

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.” … we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender …”- Winston Churchill

That little staged act with Rev. Wright and Obama’s opportune denouncement reminded me of a scene from the “Godfather” where Sonny’s brother-in-law stages a fight with his wife so he can ambush and kill the Corleones.

But you guys get what I mean…

First violet demands one, that amberglow supplies it. You guys are good!

[x] Any (D) in the general. [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

Wright and Obama both knew for ages it would have to happen eventually, and i still can’t believe Obama got away with it—nothing Wright said was new at all.

and if it was they were stupid. Rev. Wright may not have hurt Obama with his public appearances but he sure didn’t help.

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” … we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender …”- Winston Churchill

fixed the problem, i think, but Obama knew about Wright’s book and about his plans and speeches—and the fact that Wright has totally disappeared from the media since Obama’s “disowning”, even tho he’s still traveling and speaking nationwide tells me a lot.

but before the convention.

Interesting though, as you point out, he’s still speaking. Why aren’t the media hounding him? Now that Wright has broken his silence, why is he quiet again?

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” … we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender …”- Winston Churchill

Maybe if Hillary had disowned Bill’s penis the media would stop bringing it up.

“The great divide in this country is not by race or even income, it’s by those who think they are better than everyone else and think they should play by a different set of rules,” —Bill Clinton

they needed it to happen after the big loss in PA and the weeks and weeks of bad media coverage and all the talk about how weak he was—he needed to show either Supers or white voters or the media, etc, that he could get tough and angry and Sistah Souljah-y and totally trash the guy who was already being used by FOX and the GOP against him.

National polls showed him falling very big, too— “The New York Times/CBS News Poll released Thursday found Obama in a tighter race with Sen. Hillary Clinton than before. Fifty-one percent of Democratic primary voters polled said they thought Obama would win the nomination — down from 69 percent a month ago. ” — http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/Top_News/20…

I think that—more than Indiana/SC—is what made the media more glowing about him like they wanted to be anyway, too.

Do you know that beer burns when it comes out your nostrils?

I was trying not to spit it on my monitor, but it escaped.

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” … we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender …”- Winston Churchill

They’d say she should disowned have Bill’s penis earlier. And “gracefully.”

[x] Any (D) in the general. [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

Should Barack Obama get the Nomination, and McCain drops a “Mondale”-sized anvil on him in the GE, AAs are going to get blamed for this.

Never mind that the wankfest for Obama has been propagated by the Leisure Class.

Forget that Obama’s biggest cheerleaders and most misogynist supporters have, for the most part, been wealthy men, mostly White.

Let’s disappear the fact that many AAs (and most People of Color) have been questioning Obama, even when they supported him (like Dr. Cornell West); or not having answers to questions that the GOP 527s will be smearing him (Tavis Smiley) - and he got smeared for being a “Playa Hata” (translation: Jealous of Obama); and there are others that support Hillary Clinton (Quincy Jones, Michael Nutter, Dr. Maya Angelou), with more than a few of them threatened by the Obama Campaign and his supporters with loss of “community support in their re-election bid (Rep. John Lewis).

And since I’m on the issue of Obama’s support, let’s remove the gaming of caucus states by his campaign, and I will say that most of the ones doing the gaming (as far as sending the busloads of “people” to strongarm - as well the majority of those passengers) were probably NOT AA).

We’ll gloss over the fact that Obama has exploited his skin color and planted a false narrative that he was raised by his “poor single mother” who was on food stamps (debunked? Yes, but only if you are on the Internet looking for the information) in order to “identify with AAs” as a voting bloc. Add to the fact that the Clinton campaign completely conceding the AA vote to Obama (her campaign pitch, especially in PA, is telling - none of her campaign , including those by her Husband or Daughter, contained stops included areas that were in predominantly African-American neighborhoods. Not a single one…in PA) and this is what you come to.

Neither candidate really speaks to the issues of AAs. However, Obama does go to rally with majority AA audiences, even as he speaks at (but never to) them or their issues. H. Clinton, OTOH, does not, and even her surrogates (like Bob Johnson) do a poor job on her behalf.

Always remember, as a voting bloc, African-Americans have been solidly Democratic - we’re talking 80 percent of higher - far longer than most of the other general voting blocs in the United States because Repubs don’t speak to AAs except in trying to tell them that “Repubs freed the slaves and supported Civil Rights in the 60s, Democrats are really racist” from time to time.

But, all of this will be forgotten by November. The narrative that is currently forming is that AAs need to be blamed for making Obama the nominee - because AAs are stupid (or misguided) and share Obama’s views.

Despite the fact that AAs on the whole aren’t propping up his candidacy; don’t make up anywhere close to the majority amount of financial contributors - both in terms of money and number of people who actually contribute; and despite not being in the majority of positions of influence within the Obama campaign, African-Americans are going to have the blame placed upon them for the crime of exercising their right to vote and choosing Obama.

The framing has already started.

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The enemy of my enemy is STILL my enemy. Those who forget this end up being Vulture scraps.

We can admit that we’re killers … but we’re not going to kill today. That’s all it takes! Knowing that we’re not going to kill today! ~ Captain James T. Kirk, Stardate 3193.0

she’ll be first to be blamed—more than African-Americans by a long shot.

If Hillary gets the nomination, the AA’s blame racism and stay home.

If Obama gets the nomination, we get Dukakis II, and the AA’s (and the OFB) blame Hillary.

Sounds lose-lose to me.

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” … we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender …”- Winston Churchill

“But, all of this will be forgotten by November. The narrative that is currently forming is that AAs need to be blamed for making Obama the nominee - because AAs are stupid (or misguided) and share Obama’s views.

Despite the fact that AAs on the whole aren’t propping up his candidacy; don’t make up anywhere close to the majority amount of financial contributors - both in terms of money and number of people who actually contribute; and despite not being in the majority of positions of influence within the Obama campaign, African-Americans are going to have the blame placed upon them for the crime of exercising their right to vote and choosing Obama.

The framing has already started.”

Should Obama lose, there will be not one Democratic or Republican congressional bloc powerful enough to care about the decline of the poor, the increase in policies that support racial discrimination, and the associated slide of black upward mobility. The Congressional Black Caucus is a caucus in name only, now. They will scatter into the wind of their own self-preservative activities.

Should Obama win, he’s already made promises with the people who matter that racial equality policies will no longer be pursued as part of ’identity politics’.

If Obama doesn’t grab the nomination, AAs will still vote, on the whole, for Clinton.

Obama’s AA vote has been more “seeing an AA with a chance of becoming President” (otherwise known as the “Favorite Son” theme) than “We must defeat that racist b#@#$ Hillary” than anything else. There will be disappointment among the general AA populace, which makes Senator Clinton’s lack of any significant outreach during the campaign damaging. However, there is not this sense, at least from the people I talk with, talk to, and observe, that it’s “Obama or Bust” among AAs. And, since this country is all about having a choice, people will choose what makes them most comfortable at that moment most of the time. People usually make the choices they do based on the information they themselves have at their disposal that they believe to be truthful.

It is really only among those that have cast their full ardent, strident, and fervent support behind Obama - with the purpose of seeking a personal payoff, financial or structural - where Clinton’s most bitter opposition comes from. It is through these people that the GOP Narrative of Clinton = Pure Evil continues to drive forth through the Democratic Party. It is through this bloc of power/money-hungry support that have forced this untenable situation upon us all. It is from this alliance that Florida and Michigan voters from a misguided punishment while Republicans pass a popcorn bucket around. It is where the spinning never ends, even when the narrative contradicts itself - example: where Super-Delegate votes are concerned. This entrenchment, once only associated by the Progrosphere with the Bush Administration and his sycophants, can no longer turn back because of the initial assaults on the Clintons and the means by which the attacks were made. It has to be all or nothing because this bloc continued to double-down as the stakes grew higher and higher - and, as such, all perspective outside of the political bubble is lost.

I’m taking my foot off of the accelerator. Hillary Clinton supporters blaming AAs for making a choice other than Hillary are no different from Obama and his upper-echelon supporters looking for a payoff; both have lost perspective of the situation (as well as the big picture, which is winning the White House AND Congress) and are looking for excuses should their horse lose the race. Go ahead and drive your cars in a game of chicken. Just count me out.

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There will be disappointment among the general AA populace, which makes Senator Clinton’s lack of any significant outreach during the campaign damaging.

once more, Obama supporters are lying about Clinton and the African American community.

The Clinton’s did an enormous amount of outreach throughout the campaign. But Obama’s race-pimping supporters have made voting for Obama an issue of “pride”…. the message that is being spread in the black community is that if you don’t vote for Obama, you’re ashamed of your African American heritage — and that the “non-toxic” part.

Despite the fact that AAs on the whole aren’t propping up his candidacy

complete and utter bullshit. Just take the percentages that Obama gets among white voters, and give that percentage of the AA vote to Clinton, and look at the results….

In Pennsylvania, if you give Obama 63%, and Clinton 37%, of the black vote, Clinton’s overall margin goes from 10% to 18%

In North Carolina, if you give Obama 61%, and Clinton 37%, of the black vote, Clinton goes from being down by 14 points to winning by 7 points.

In Indiana, if you give Obama 60%, and Clinton 40%, of the black vote, Clinton goes from 2% to 12%.

don’t kid yourself. If Obama wasn’t using the ’racial resentment’ methods of persuasion in the black community that he learned from Jeremiah Wright, his campaign would be DOA right now.

once more, Obama supporters are lying about Clinton and the African American community.

This is not a lie. How do I know? Because I’m referring to situation by essentially watching the “boots on the ground.” When Bill, Hillary, and Chelsea criss-crossed the State of PA, not one of them stopped or stumped in any area that had been codified as being African-American at any point.

Also, at no time did H. Clinton’s campaign spend any dollars for media ad buys targeting radio listeners of color. On some radio stations, especially those targeting AAs, it was “All Obama, All the Time.”

In talking with AAs, very few of them could identify even part of H. Clinton’s platform or talking points beyond what the MSM has put forth. This makes someone like me, who has been leaning towards Hillary from the jump, have to work 10 times as hard to explain her platform, debunk the crap from the MSM AND the crap that the Obama campaign has leveraged. And this was during the run-up to the PA Primary.

Second, and most important, take a close look at the Clinton campaign stops in PA -

York, Abington, Tobyhanna, West Chester, Scranton, Quakertown, Johnstown, Reading, Radnor, Hermitage, and in Philadelphia - University City, Center City, and a rally in NE Philadelphia.

Note: None of these destinations chosen for campaign stops contained large numbers of AAs within the population.

And that is called “Excellent Outreach to African Americans?”

Also:

LIS: Despite the fact that AAs on the whole aren’t propping up his candidacy…

P_L:complete and utter bullshit. Just take the percentages that Obama gets among white voters, and give that percentage of the AA vote to Clinton, and look at the results….

Days like this, I hate being misunderstood and taken out of context. In “Propping Up Obama’s Candidacy,” I do not mean in the context of actual votes.

AA VOTERS are not the ones pushing the WWTSBQ meme. AA VOTERS aren’t calling for an SD to “take out Hillary Clinton.” AA VOTERS aren’t harping the Clinton campaign on things like Bosnia. AA VOTERS aren’t poo-pooing Clinton’s Gas Tax Holiday Initiatives. The last time I checked, there were not a whole lot of AAs on the boards of the companies whose CEOs (and wives, apparently) are sending big dollars to the Obama campaign. There were not a whole lot of AAs in the audience of that Getty Mansion fundraiser (probably AT MOST one or two) during that San Fransisco “bitter” flap. And, AA VOTERS are not calling for the disenfranchisement of FL and MI - in fact, many don’t understand the issue behind this at all.

My ultimate point? AA Voters only exercise choice. My placement of blame regarding the Primary starts upstairs, with the power brokers. And, it stays there.

Actually, the message being put forth by the Obama campaign is one of Uncle Tom-ism, but that response to the message is not monolithic.

AA Voters aren’t the fervent misogynistic and anti-Clinton voices that have dominated the Primary Campaign Stage. THAT is the “propping up” I refer to.

But yet, the tone that I’m increasingly seeing from Hillary-leaning sites is that AAs are going to take the fall should McCain win. The Leisure Class, the Kewl Kidz, the Blogger Boiz, the Caucus Gamers, and the Power Players, all of whom responsible for the exploitation of the system in the first place, will simply dust themselves off and change stripes - and the blame they should be taken will be mitigated and not as intense.

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is that AAs are going to take the fall

I think they might, the media will set it up that way, because it’s an easy narrative. AA voters, who Obama “had” to conform to, to keep their support, will be blamed. I’m not saying they should, I just see that as one of the ways his loss will be explained. And I’ll fight that meme tooth and nail. I just think we should be realistic and be prepared for it.

I completely agree with everything you say, the AA community are not the ones who propelled Obama into his candidacy, they are not the ones keeping him there. And Clinton has been remiss in reaching out to the AAs, but she has money problems, and she may feel it is a fruitless endeavor. But Obama has been neglecting the AA community, and we should not be remiss in pointing this out.

Bill Clinton for First Dude!!!

by the time the campaign had gotten to PA, Obama’s race-boating had made it impossible for Clinton to get her message out to the AA community in Pennsylvania.

Why don’t you go back and see what Clinton did BEFORE she got to PA, rather than pull this kind of crap.

When someone has poisoned the well, you don’t go there for drinking water. Obama poisoned the “black vote” well for Clinton — so she went elsewhere for votes.