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Sen. Baucus to single payer advocates: "We want police" --Single Payer Advocates Removed from Senate Hearing

Update; Don't miss video posted by connecticutman1 in first comment.

In an article about Big Insurers offering to not charge women more for, well, being women--if Congress passes mandates that everyone must purchase (private??) insurance, this vignette of what Sen. Baucus offers to single payers:

Underscoring the strong feelings about that [single payer/public option], Tuesday's meeting began with Capitol Police ejecting protesters who interrupted senators by shouting in favor of a single-payer plan. Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus, D-Mont., has said that's not on the table.

"We want a seat at the table," shouted one protester.

"We want police," Baucus responded.

Capitol Police removed eight people.

Baucus and many others, including President Barack Obama, say single-payer is not practical or politically feasible. They want to build on the current setup of employer-based care, which is how most Americans under age 65 get their health care.

We need More and Better Democrats! Well, we need Democrats from the Democratic wing of the Democratic Party. Where are the Paul Wellstones of our day?

I'm with Lambert: Let the Repubs wither away enough to get the Democratic Party to split into the Moneyed Party and the FDR Democratic Party. These Bankster-luvin' Dems are driving me crazy.

However, as I worried about duirng the primary and general election, if Obama and his appointees, plus Blue Dogs and whipped dogs, so damage the Democratic brand that the name is anathema, what then?

I'm still spitting nails about Schumer's comments, btw. Lambert coins the acronym of the day: PINO -- Public In Name Only.

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Submitted by connecticut man1 on

Via the National Nurses Movement at dKos:

Eight Healthcare Activists Arrested at Baucus Hearing

Is this a turning point in the single-payer debate?  Will the DC insiders be forced to listen to the public and healthcare activists--and not just big-money healthcare donors?

Both AP and Politico are reporting on the events at this morning's Senate Finance Committee, where brave healthcare activists, one after the other, stood up to protest the exclusion of single-payer reforms from the conversation.

CSPAN had the video up:



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Submitted by carissa on

He says all views will be taken into consideration? How can that be when they aren't even in the mix?

Ass. I hope those "world's best bosses" kick him out on his ear.

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Submitted by DCblogger on

the minute they began to shout they forced his hand, demonstrators must be ejected from committee hearings, but they made their point. Keep up the pressure, this is how we won sanctions against apartheid South Africa.

Submitted by lambert on

8 in sequence, not all at once. Very good.

And let's not call them demonstrators, let's call them activists or better, "informed citizens."

I mean, who's doing the disrupting? I'd say it's Baucus with his kabuki.

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Submitted by Kick Baucus to ... on

He cares so deeply about their views that he wants them to agree to not be heard so that the hearing can go about their search for solutions without them. Wasn't that the WHOLE POINT of the protest: that single payer wasn't even included in the discussion?

Submitted by gob on

I just got an email asking that we try to get more news coverage of this by phoning or sending emails:

ABC News - 212-456-7777 -
CBS News - 212-975-4321 -
CNBC - (201) 735-2622 -
CNN - 404-827-1500 - contact page
MSNBC/NBC - (212) 664-4444 - - -
PBS - 703-739-5000 -

Besides Huffington Post and the single-payer activist sites, we have coverage already from the arch-Satan WSJ (online) here.

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Submitted by LC on

During the past couple of months, I've seen Q&A with Sen. Baucus, Grassley, and Hoyer (on C-SPAN) - and it is clear that not only is single payer DOA but so is a Public Plan Option. Even Obama appears lukewarm in his support - but then I don't think there is anything Obama is truly willing to fight for.

It looks as if we'll get the worst of all possible worlds: a mandate to buy insurance based on a poverty level that bears no resemblance to reality with cut-rate policies that probably won't be worth the premiums anyways.

What I find especially frustrating is that Democrats continue to echo Republican insistence that individuals must be responsible for their own health care (lose weight, exercise, etc.) but never say a word about how Insurance company adminstrative costs (8-14% not including what individual doctors must do to fill out dozens of forms for diff. companies) and profits (all those high executive salaries) contribute to high health care costs.

Oh, Grassley is also dead set against comparative effectiveness; he doesn't want doctors to be reimbursed based on "govt" guidelines. Again, I've heard no Democrat point out to him that insurance companies spend millions (billions?) of dollars finding reasons to deny coverage.

Submitted by lambert on

... but a lot of confidence in the political process. Roses grow best in shit, and growth sprouts from decay. I'm sure the people fighting against apartheid, or against segregation, or for the independence of India, or for women's suffrage all felt much as you do -- as we all feel. But all those good things were accomplished. This can be accomplished.

Submitted by gob on

- all about how "today on Capitol Hill the health care reform debate took another step forward" as "stakeholders, including AARP, America’s Health Insurance Plans, BCBSA, Chamber of Commerce, Families USA, the Kaiser Family Foundation, NFIB, and SEIU, participated" in the Senate Finance Committee hearing.

With a link to the CSPAN video, starting with Baucus stumbling over his words as he tries to gavel the single payer advocates out of existence.

Submitted by Paul_Lukasiak on

that I'd suggest is doing more publicity for this kind of thing in advance (I think they could have gotten lots more than 8 people to stand up and speak) -- and having each protestor wait until Baucus gavelled the committee to order again before they started to speak out. If single payer advocates are going to be denied a voice, then these hearings have no legitimacy, and the more time spent "restoring order", the less time the insurance company whores get to talk....

Submitted by lambert on

Ask yourself who does more damage, and it's definitely the execs.

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Submitted by Davidson on

This is to both you, Paul, and the reply to you.

First, "whore," is a misogynistic slur and it is always wrong to use in a context as a pejorative as it only succeeds in further dehumanizing and demonizing women and girls. Second, prostitution should never be trivialized because it is truly a horrific practice that is in truth the commercialization of rape, which is overwhelmingly a misogynistic hate crime. Tell me what other trade that depends on enslavement and commercializes violent hate crimes, including serial murders, is trivialized? No other. And if wasn't clear before, only the "whore" is shamed by society, while the John is ignored or excused and the pimp is downright glorified. Hence, the use of a clear misogynistic slur as a generic insult for those who "debase themselves" while "pimp" is something to be proud of.

I get that I'm perceived as a wet blanket on gender, but this shit has got to stop. The rape trade is no joke. Please read it, especially if you think the rape trade is just another "profession." I've worked with "sex" workers in places where it's legal and I can assure you, what they endure is beyond brutal and all of them only did it out of desperation. What they experience shouldn't be dismissed so casually.

UPDATE: Let me just make it clear that it's the whole tone of the comment and the reply that makes it seems dismissive of so-called "sex work."