Shakes is "fatigued and irritated" too

Massive takedown of Don Fowler’s fatiguing and irritating letter demanding that Clinton supporters crawl out from under the bus, checks in hand.

“Someone check that letter for Bob Shrum’s fingerprints.” Ouch!

The fact is, for a lot of people, the last 8 years have made them more resolved to vote their principles, rather than compromising them to try to prevent the worst from happening, because we’ve seen the Democrats act as spineless enablers as or more frequently than as a vibrant and principled opposition. That effectively makes lots of progressive Democratic voters feel like tacit supporters of policies they despise—and if compromising one’s ethics buys the same result as not, why compromise? Increasingly, there is no good answer to that question.

The Democrats have no one to blame for that but themselves.

I thought Shakes was smarter than that, though. The Democrats have the voters to blame. Especially the racist ones….

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It's time to support Barack Obama without conditions or demands.

I get it. No matter what Obama does or doesn’t do if I’m a member of the Democratic Party, I must blindly support Obama. Doesn’t matter one bit if what he does is against everything I believe in, I must give up my right to chose. Doesn’t matter if Obama is spending more time and effort as well as voting to advance what I consider Republican agendas, I must cheer him to victory. A member of the Democratic Party must also give up their right to lobby for the issues that are important to them, STFU and send money and blindly pull the lever in November for Obama.

I knew there was a reason that I became an Independent voter after decades of being a Democrat. Best decision I’ve made all year since now I do not have to give up my rights or my responsibility as a voter.

Don Fowler

Nothing like beating the people you are appealing to over the head with every insult and condescending remark at your disposal. Always works! What idiots these jokers are.

Great Catch, Lambert, Great Piece By Shakes

I agree with every word she wrote, which I hope doesn’t surprise anyone here at Corrente.

I almost didn’t get the snark there at the end of your post, Lambert. For a second I thought, what is he talking about it, it’s the voters…the racist voters…..?

I would like to use this comment as an opportunity to suggest a conversation that needs to be had here at Corrente. I can’t decide whether to get into it here, or wait to do a post…well, maybe a sneak preview.

I’m finding the constant repetition of the “they called me a racist” trope, in all its florid and sometimes funny variations, to be losing its potency, even while it treads dangerously on a standard trope upon which the right wing movement in this country has managed to revive some of the hoariest tropes of mainstream American racism.

Please note; I am not calling anyone at Corrente a racist. But the notion that white racism is a figment of black imaginations, and that political correctness on racial issues has alienated white voters and locked African-American into a self-created box of self-imposed victim status is one of the founding perceptions upon which someone like Dinesh D’Souza was able to write a book like “The End of Racism,” with almost no one in the mainstream press calling it out for what it was, a rethinking of every racist trope of mainstream white racism with an eye to making them acceptable once again. And it worked.

Just a thought, perhaps to be chewed on later.

Also, the snark/joke is getting old, even here. Especially here.

Just because it's old it's not true?

Just saying. Personally, I think it can’t be repeated enough. When it causes pain to those who did the damage, that will be the time to stop. Unless you think the tactic will be put back in its box and not repeated?

What next? That pesky misogyny thing?

[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

Don't worry MOBlue

Obama is only advancing Repub positions to fake everybody out in the GE. After he’s crowned, then he can be the real Obama.

Why are they doing this?

Obama is all but a lock to win the GE* so why bother harassing whole sections of the Democratic base? Perhaps it’s because the “D” is going to win they feel they can get away with finally telling us off?

*The media will decide who wins, but I just don’t see them ending their fierce devotion to Obama. The real question seems to be: Will the media love Obama as much as or more than they did the Iraq invasion (Already, Obama has trumped Bush’s ’00 coverage)?

McCain is Dole

He’s doomed.

So, I really don’t know why they’re doing this; I can only think it’s a gleischaltung thing. Fealty.

[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

It's not always snark or a joke

I have been appalled at the ease with which “liberals” and “progressives” have labelled others as racist for nothing more than disagreeing on Obama. I have been called racist innumerable times both directly and in general over the past several months by people who have no idea of what color my skin is or without knowing that Barbara Jordan was a long-time political hero of mine or that I actually voted for Jesse Jackson Sr back in the day. I cannot remember anything in the past thirty years or so as destructive to social and political discourse as this primary season has been.

Being called racist has been very hurtful on a personal level. I grew up in the south. I remember the school being integrated, often painfully. In my lifetime I have seen people go from openly hostile militant racism to acceptance and toleration of African-Americans to respect and admiration for a wide range of people of color. To see college kids airly dismiss our entire history of difficult, oftentimes wrenching, progress simply because others are not as emotionally reactive to their preferred candidate or see flaws worthy of notice is truly disgusting. I am glad that there are so many people ready to mock that vicious, destructive superiority.

Too many of the Flying Monkeys (h/t Historiann) chose the Democratic version of the nuclear bomb, racism, to ensure that their chosen candidate would prevail. As my little trip to HuffPo yesterday showed me, they’re still at it. As long as they’re still trying to “thug” everyone into voting for Obama, I’m all for mocking them and calling them out. Fortunately, this is one of the few places left where that can happen.

No one is denying that racism still exists...

….but race-pimping also exists — and the use of race-pimping techniques by the Obama campaign and its supporters to discredit Clinton and her supporters is a very serious issue that must be addressed.

see, Leah, the Obots talk about the “racism of the Clinton campaign” as it was not merely an established, but a glaringly obvious, fact. Implicit in their rhetoric is the accusation that those of us who supported Clinton ignored this “obvious” racism.

Most progressives who wound up supporting Clinton started out as “ABC” (Anyone But Clinton), and wound up preferring Clinton to Obama only when those were our only two choices. If Clinton had been running a racist campaign, we’d have noticed it — instead, what we noticed was a media that grossly overplayed anything that might remotely be considered ’racially insensitive” by anyone with any connection to the Clinton camp.

In other words, we didn’t have a “dog in this fight” when the accusations of racism started, and if anything our ABC position made us more likely to perceive racism on the part of the Clinton campaign. But it was obvious, even to those of us who did not want Clinton to get the nomination, that the accusations were baseless.

Everytime an Obama supporter treats the “racism” of the Clinton campaign as an established fact, they are saying to ME that I ignored obvious racism. And I’m too old to put up with that kind of bullshit.

Process

What troubles me about the whole obama thing is the process. obama has been enabled by the dnc, dean, pelosi, moveon, kos, apparently all HRC haters. They have used processes similar to those used by the enablers of another empty suit to get that person elected, specifically gwbushit. I refuse to bend to those who have elevated obama and accept the processes by which they have accomplished the enabling. Calling rascism is just one of the bitter processes used, it has been used directly on me, and I will not get over it.

I agree with both Paul and oceans, without conditions or demands

Smearing the Clintons as racists was just big a lie as the RFK smear. And, because, as Paul said, if it had happened, I would have overlooked it, they’re smearing me as racist as well. (As they did, many times, on Big Orange, right to my face).

Now, I could “get over” my “hurt feelings” — if the record weren’t important.

UPDATE The corollary here, and I know it’s a bitter one for many, including me, is that this is not the Democratic Party we thought we knew. That is, I think, the real point at issue, and an interesting topic for conversation.

[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

race card

One of the things that really bothered me is that some of the OFB strikes me as racist. The way they eagerly embraced Webb, dismissed affirmative action as an issue, dismissed black concerns about Webb.

The thing is they have a crush on Obama and the race card was a weapon that came to hand. They don’t actually care about the issue. Not to judge from their past writing.

They really don’t understand the difference between a primary and a general and don’t understand why scorched earth does not work.

And yes, racism exists

And using the race card like the OFB did, it was like asset stripping all the work the Democrats did on the issue all the way back to LBJ and before. Just for the sake of winning an intra-party battle. Of course, I can’t speak on racism myself, being, as is well known, a Hillary supporter and therefore, personally, a racist and an enabler of racists, but it would be nice if other Democrats — perhaps even ones who aren’t part of the Obama Movement personally — could speak on the issue credibly where I no longer can (if, indeed, I ever could). Alas, if that capability is not gone, it’s been seriously damaged.

[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

Politics 101

Politics 101 is that the downside of negative campaigning is it antagonizes the supporters of your target. So going nuclear by gratuitous throwing around of groundless charges of racism is the paradigm for self-defeating - you burn bridges you can never unburn.

Many of these people really believe the racism accusations though. They talk to each other and are groupthinked into believing what the others are saying.

It is a mania, like with the Dutch Tulips. Obama is the biggest, bestest most wonderful tulip bulb there ever was - tulip bulbs being worth ever so much guilders because everyone agrees it is so.

I, too,came to HRC as not my first choice. However, I was Anyone But Obama as soon as I became seriously aware of him - his resemblance to Dubya to me was just too striking.

Horselover Fat

Ray, the next time someone asks if you're a god, you say...

The corollary here, and I know it’s a bitter one for many, including me, is that this is not the Democratic Party we thought we knew. That is, I think, the real point at issue, and an interesting topic for conversation.

Absolutely! Around my house I’ve started referring to them as the Grand Old Democrats. No respect for the constitution, rule of law in general, participatory democracy, healthcare, education - the list goes on.

If this is the direction the party I used to agree with is heading, where does a person go to sign up for the DFL if you don’t live in Minnesota? I miss Paul Wellstone…

Andrea Mitchell and others are way over him--

he’s been shutting them out like Rove/Dubya did — http://newsbusters.org/blogs/mark-finkel… — “…MITCHELL: Let me just say something about the message management. He didn’t have reporters with him, he didn’t have a press pool, he didn’t do a press conference while he was on the ground in either Afghanistan or Iraq. What you’re seeing is not reporters brought in. You’re seeing selected pictures taken by the military, questions by the military, and what some would call fake interviews, because they’re not interviews from a journalist. So, there’s a real press issue here. Politically it’s smart as can be. But we’ve not seen a presidential candidate do this, in my recollection, ever before. …”

CNN is also not drinking the kool-aid—and ABC actually dared ask him real questions — http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/…

(Media Matters didn’t even bother to report on the staged fakeness of Obama’s trip —no surprise)

Simile of the day...

And using the race card like the OFB did, it was like asset stripping all the work the Democrats did on the issue all the way back to LBJ and before.

,,,and a strong contender for Simile of the Week!