Hi everyone!

*waves*

I posted at Atrios site that he owes his readers a big fat fucking apology for pushing this rubbish. Let’s see if he delivers one-if not, I think it is fair to say he has joined the Obamabots.

Please be more specific, I still like Atrios, so I’d like to know what he did.

Bill Clinton for First Dude!!!

Was pushing the story that this Voices for Women group (which is apparently led by pro-Hillary folks), which apparently might have messed up in trying to register single women (a group that clearly goes for Hillary), was somehow engaging in fraud, and that this fraud was somehow part of a nefarious plot by Hillary’s headquarters at Mount Evil to screw Obama by breaking the law.

The facts that 1) this group was trying to register voters for the general election; 2) the voters it was trying to register were a predominantly pro-Hillary bloc (single women); and 3) that despite its errors, it appears to be actually likely to help register more Dem voters— none of these will dissuade the Unity Warriors (great term) from crying that this is disenfranchisement of minority voters orchestrated by Hillary Clinton.

There’s a mix of people on the board — some pro-Hillary, some pro-Obama. See here.

It’s the fact that there are any pro-Hillary people at all on the board that’s the problem, no doubt. LOL.

Also, the demographic was not “a predominantly pro-Hillary” — as Chris Bowers points out, it was, if anything, slightly pro-Obama. See this post and especially the comments.

I know you aren’t the one who was asking for a big fucking apology, RedSox04, but if anyone is, they too had better get their facts straight.

[x] Any (D) in the general. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

Come on. “Big fat fucking apology”? Please. If we all apologized for everything, we’d never do anything else, and that includes me. If you don’t like the blog, then go elsewhere. Simpler, and more effective, too. I don’t enjoy ritual humiliation, either.

[x] Any (D) in the general. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

Surely the Unity Warriors are to be pitied, rather than censured?

[x] Any (D) in the general. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

Big steaming piles of derision and scorn, served with tough love.

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Look at the headline. It’s a slow pitch right down the middle of the plate…

[x] Any (D) in the general. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

I’m much better at sarcasm.

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I think it’s kind of funny. Atrios runs a really neat commenting community over there, but his posts can be kinda sorta wishy-washy, except when they’re not. When he gets agitated about something and it turns out to be untrue or exaggerated I dont think he gets to hide behind the blogger ethics panel of civility.

After the the ABC debate Atrios spent most of the day posting contact info on his front page, encouraging readers to protest the network for its treatment of the candidates, oops I mean just Obama.

http://www.eschatonblog.com/2008_04_13_a…

Light’Em Up
Complain about this atrocity.
Main ABC switchboard: 212-456-7777
…complain here.
-Atrios 21:31
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He himself was having a big fat fucking meltdown during the debate and afterwards. It was like his campaign to stop the “social security in crisis!’ nonsense. In the case of social security he continues to be proved fucking right (although I dont recall his getting apoplectic when Obama talked about the “social security crisis”).

In the cases of the ABC debate and the WVWV he seems to be tuning his media critique antenna only to the Obama channel.

IIRC one of the front-pagers here actually cut and pasted some of Atrios’ sort of silly histrionic posts about the debate.

Strangely strangely silent about the previous 20 or so debates, other than his generally bland rejection of and objection to the sheer stupidity of our msm.

For a blogger as even tempered and genial as Atrios seems to be, his getting in a kerfuffle about something is noteworthy. And worthy of criticism, if warranted, by other bloggers/commenters.

The fix is in as some superdels and DNC, scared that HRC is winning are even switching from backing HRC. This Joe Andrew is a Judus of the first rank. It just makes it even more apparent that the boyz donb’t give a damn what the voter think - they are going to get their guy or else.

To me, murphy, this is a mirror image of the OFB vs rational Obama supporters distinction. Atrios hasn’t changed the nature of his blog, unlike The Obama 527 Formerly Known As Daily Kos. And if Atrios wants to “tilt” toward Obama, as in focusing the post-debate narrative on the moderators, rather than Hillary’s victory, then so be it. It’s his blog. As long as it doesn’t become an echo chamber, I don’t mind. Many of the Fellows (as well as Digby) emerged from Eschaton, and I regard Atrios as an “intact” blogger whose relatively (by “netroots” [cough] standards) neutral platform will play an important role after the nomination. At least at Eschacon, he created what turned out to be a safe space even for Hillary supporters like me — though I can think of at least one Philly blogger who would have liked to punch me out, nothing remotely like that happened, and amazingly, I got a lot of hugs and people who were pleased to see me. That too is down to Atrios. Eschaton is no small achievement, so please, let’s not piss it away with a haka of our own. Let’s try to think just a little strategically, not entirely in the moment, and give credit where it’s due, shall we?

And as far as your point on Social Security thing, Murphy, you’re dead wrong. Atrios, and Atrios alone, caught Obama’s dogwhistle in Iowa, and called bullshit on it. That was a huge post for me.

Oh, and as far as front-pagers: I don’t remember the post you’re talking about, but all posts here are front-paged by default, and then, if the Fellows deem it necessary, de-front-paged. That’s a technical limitation, but I also like the idea that anybody with the courage to post in front of a tough crowd like this deserves a shot….

[x] Any (D) in the general. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

“if Atrios wants to “tilt” toward Obama, as in focusing the post-debate narrative on the moderators, rather than Hillary’s victory, then so be it.”

You’re right about that — and it’s an important distinction. I’m a long-time reader of Atrios and have been v grateful for his oasis of reality since 2004 or so.

Re: social security, I forgot about his objection to Obama’s dog-whistle, probably because it’s been such a long time since he’s objected to Obama’s words or actions. To be fair though, he does seem to make it clear that the OFB are way more irritating to people like him (big bloggers who gets LOTS of email) than the Clintonistas are.

You make an important point, which will hopefully be borne out after the dust settles around Hillary’s nomination. That is, how DO we democrats pick up the pieces and unite for the general? My opinion is that Clinton’s campaign and supporters are better prepared to pick up ALL the pieces and move on as a united front precisely because their campaign has been less destructive, less derisive, and less divisive.

And as an A-list blogger, Atrios deserves tremendous credit for doing the exact same thing. He will be intact after all is said and done because he never fell apart. I stay away mostly now because some of the commenters have CDS, but I’m sure I’ll be happy to be back when this is over.

I fully expect Atrios to be true to his long-standing word and be a strong supporter of whichever candidate wins.

Thanks for helping me clarify my thoughts about Atrios and pointing out some important facts.

Screw Moses!

/snark

I’ve had the meta conversation about bloggers being able to blog what they want before.

To stick with the basketball analogies…

great players know how to pick their spots. (see Sam Cassell)

Atrios picks his spots.

Pointing out that he does so isn’t a slight.

But it is what it is.

If Atrios were to actually explain what parts of the Clinton campaign have been the deciding factor in how he voted. Maybe I’d view it differently. (not that he owes an explanation, but for the sake of argument)

But when he wants to be vague…he picks his spots.

Oh absolutely, censuring could just make the condition worse, then they’re being [i]persecuted[/i]!. Then again, as some Unity Warriors have previously cried censorship when anti-Clinton stories are voted down on social news sites, I think it’s safe to say they’re going to be unduly paranoid no matter what- pity is appropriate for such poor souls.

This WVWV kerfuffle has been the last straw for me at a number of bloggy precincts I’d kept visiting even after quitting Kos, Aravosis, and the boards at TPM. Pam Spaulding has been particularly bad.

Sorry, when any blogger pushes a big anti-Hillary lie, if I’m going to take them seriously thereafter, they have to admit the error and apologize. It isn’t a matter of “ritual humiliation” but simple factual accountabilty.

And personally, I think that blogs in general as an alternative media and source of holding the MSM to account is dead. The Obama campaign killed it (or perhaps just revealed it was always more myth than reality).

to help them get over and done with Obama.

Obama Recovery Group? ORG?, ah;

“.ORG”

A mix of AA, NA and cult deprogramming. Whether the glowing Perfection That Is Obama hits the skids right away by losing the nomination, in the Fall by losing the general, or next winter when he discovers that the Republican-BlueDog coalition eats Hope for breakfast, devours Audacity for lunch and then cracks his bones and sucks out the marrow for dinner, there are a lot of people who will need our help to get over him.

“Hello. My name is Josh, and I’m a recovering ObamaFan.”

(large crowd, in unison) “Hello, Josh.”

It could work.

that says much more about how things are nowadays, i think.

“They’re Pushing this stuff instead of pro-Obama Stuff”
Quick someone inform the “Truth Police!”

and in other news Hillary faired so well on O’Reilly that the TP is working overtime in order to chastise everything she said as illegitimate because it was not pro-obama

Unity ponies are great but if they don’t come with saddles isn’t going to be easy to ride one.

“The great divide in this country is not by race or even income, it’s by those who think they are better than everyone else and think they should play by a different set of rules,” —Bill Clinton