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Sixteen ways of not being angry or hateful

We at Corrente have worked humbly and tirelessly to bring Civility in American political discourse to the next level, so that the Moderate and the Bipartisan will never, ever have to leave their comfort zone when they enter the rough and tumble of the blogosphere. So that's why, readers, when the conservative, Cato Institute drew my attention to the "anger index"* I was terribly, terribly distressed. In fact, grieved. Mortified.

And so, prayerfully, in the spirit of Proverbs 15:1 ("grievous words stir up anger") I decided to return to a 2005 post we wrote that listed things we weren't angry about, and people we didn't hate. And--hat tip here to timeless values---even after two years, the list is still good!

But there were one or two things I had to add, so I've updated the list and reposted it here.

  1. We are not angry at Bush for his war of choice in Iraq.
    1. We are not angry at Bush because 2,000 3163 Americans have died in Iraq, together with tens of thousands of Iraqis.
    2. We are not angry at Bush because in Iraq "the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy."
    3. Nor are we angry at Bush because the WMDs were not found.
      1. Nor angry that the aluminum tubes story was not true.
      2. Nor angry that the drones story was not true.
      3. Nor angry that the bioweapons story was not true.
      4. Nor angry that the "yellowcake uranium" story was not true.
    4. Nor are we angry at Colin Powell because nothing he said in his UN speech to justify the war was true.
    5. Nor are we angry at Bush or Cheney for claiming that Iraq and 9/11 were connected when they were not.
    6. Nor do we hate the members of the press who enabled Bush's war of choice.
      1. Especially we do not hate Judy Miller whose WMD stenography helped Bush "fix the facts."
  • We were were not angry at Donald Rumsfeld.
    1. We were not angry at Donald Rumseld because his "Revolution in Military Affairs" resulted in sending our troops into urban warfare in Iraq without proper armor.
  • We did not hate Donald Rumsfeld for using an automatic signature machine to sign condolence letters to the parents of dead soldiers.
  • And furthermore, we did not hate Donald Rumsfeld for taking souvenirs from the Pentagon site on 9/11, a felony.
  • We are not angry at Alberto Gonzales for writing memos purporting to justify torture.
    1. Nor are we angry at the higherups who set up concentration camps and then let their subordinates take the blame when the truth came out.
    2. Nor do we hate the higherups who got promotions after torture occured on their watch
    3. Neither do we hate the doctors and psychiatrists who violated their Hippocratic oaths by abetting torture at Gitmo.
    4. And if the torture techniques we have spread in Iraq are ever used in this country, we promise not to get angry about it.
  • We are not angry at the Republicans for "losing" $8 billion dollars meant for Iraq (2004; 2007).
  • We are not angry that Iraq has become what it was not before the war, a training ground for terrorists (2005).
  • And we promise we will not get angry if Iraq ends up as an Islamic theocracy.
    1. And we further promise not to get angry that 3163 Americans will have died to make that happen.
  • And we promise never to hate the members of the White House Iraq Group (Hughes, Libby, Card, Matalin, Wilkinson, and Rove), who worked together to make it all possible.
    1. Even if Bush gave them all promotions. Every single one of them.
  • We are not angry at Bush for stealing election 2000 in Florida by using the "felon list."
    1. Nor do we hate those who helped him to do so.
      1. We do not hate Florida Secretary of State Katherine Harris.
      2. We do not hate Florida Governor Jeb Bush, Bush's brother.
      3. We do not hate the freepers who staged the "bourgeios riot" to intimidate the vote counters, not even Buckhead.
      4. We do not hate the majority in Bush v. Gore, not even Antonin Scalia.
      5. We do not hate Al Gore for not getting all the votes counted.
    2. Nor are we angry at the Republicans for claiming a "Bush Mandate" in 2000.
    3. Neither are we are angry at the press for dropping the story.
  • We are not angry at Bush for stealing election 2004 in Ohio by preventing Democrats from voting.
    1. Nor do we hate those who helped him to do it.
      1. We do not hate Ohio Secretary of State Kenneth Blackwell.
      2. We do not hate any Republican election official.
      3. Nor do we hate any of the electronic voting machine manufacturers.
        • We do not hate them, even though they are all Republican contributors.
      4. Nor do we hate any of the authorities that certify electronic voting machines.
        • We do not hate them, even though they too are all Republican contributors.
    2. Nor are we angry at the press for dropping the story.
  • We are not angry at Bush for making all his appearances before screened audiences that exclude Democrats.
    1. We do not hate the Republicans for removing citizens who visibly did not support Bush from campaign events during campaign 2004.
    2. We do not even hate the Republicans stripsearching schoolteachers during campaign 2004.
    3. We do not hate Bush for excluding Democrats from his Social Security barnstorming in 2005.
      1. Nor are we angry because we, as taxpayers, must pay for events that we will never be allowed to attend.
    4. Nor are we angry because White House political operatives removed citizens from a barnstorming rally while impersonating Secret Service agents.
  • Because we consider hypocrisy the tribute that vice plays to virtue, and a natural part of the human condition, we do not hate any Republican who exhibits it, not even those constantly put forward to us as moral exemplars.
    1. We do not hate Rush Limbaugh, even though he had a 30-a-day Oxycontin habit.
      1. In fact, we do not even hate Rush Limbaugh because he got his Hispanic housekeeper to buy his drugs for him.
    2. We do not hate Bill Bennett, even though he had a million-dollar gambling habit.
    3. We do not hate Bill O'Reilly, even though we can't get the word "loofah" out of our minds. Or the picture.
    4. We do not hate Newt Gingrich for handing his wife the divorce papers when she was in a hospital bed recovering from cancer.
    5. We do not hate Henry Hyde for his "youthful indiscretions."
      1. Or Robert Livingstone.
        1. Or Arnold.
          1. Or Rudy.
            1. Or Mark Foley (R-Neverland).
    6. Especially we are not angry at the Republicans for spending $70 million investigating a blowjob.
    7. We do not hate war-backers who do not or have not served their country in the military.
      1. We do not hate any of the vast majority of administration political appointees who have not served the country in the military.
        1. Above all, we do not hate Dick Cheney for having "other priorities."
      2. Nor do we hate Bush, even though his missing year in the Texas Air National Guard has never been explained.
      3. Nor do we hate those Republican war-backers who do not ask their eligible adult children to serve.
        1. Not even Bush.
      4. Especially we do not hate Jonah Goldberg, even though he says he can't serve because he has a job and kids.
    8. We do not hate gay Republicans who back a constitutional amendment against gay marriage.
      1. Not even Ken Mehlman.
        1. Let alone male escort and frequent White House guest "Jeff Gannon."
  • Nor are we angry that Bush and the Republicans have used Homeland Security as a pork barrel in the red states while leaving blue state cities (2005) unprotected against nuclear attack.
  • We are never, never angry at Beltway Dems even when they are gutless and feckless.
    1. Especially we are not angry at John Kerry for taking the Swift Boat attacks lying down.
    2. Nor are we angry at John Kerry for not keeping the theft of Ohio 2004 in the forefront of the public mind.
      1. Even though he solicited contributions for doing precisely that.
    3. Nor are we angry at Tom Daschle for losing the 2002 mid-terms because he wouldn't confront Bush on the war.
    4. Nor are we angry when Joe Lieberman attacks other Democrats on FOX.
    5. Nor are we angry when the Democratic Leadership Council calls war opponents "anti-American."
      1. Not even when they don't call Republican war opponents, like Chuck Hagel, anti-American.
    6. Nor do we hate any Democrat who voted for Bush's war of choice in Iraq, not even John Kerry, Hillary Clinton, or Evan Bayh.
      1. Even though the netroots had Bush dead to rights on this one from the start.
    7. Nor are we angry at any Beltway consultant, not even eight-time-loser Washington General Robert Shrum.
  • We do not hate Rush Limbaugh, or any Republican, or any member of Little Green Footballs, even when they call us traitors and call for our exile or summary execution.
  • We do not hate any Christianist.
    1. We do not hate Doctor James Dobson, or any other theocrat, not even Reverend Moon, or Reverend Moon's backers on Capitol Hill.
    2. We do not hate Christianists who proselytize in the public schools.
    3. Nor do we hate Christianists who force conversion on prisoners.
    4. Nor do we hate Christianists who use the uniform to proselytize.
    5. Nor the Christianists at the Air Force academy who called their fellow pilots "filthy Jews."
    6. Especially we do not hate Christianist sex predators and child abusers, even though there are more and more of them.
  • We are not angry that 50 million Americans don't have health insurance.
  • We are not angry that the No Child Left Behind Act is designed to destroy public education by requiring tests but not funding the teaching for the tests.
  • Nor are we angry that Bush is still trying to destroy Social Security.
  • Nor are do we hate the CEOs who make hundreds of millions of dollars while their companies fail and workers lose their jobs.
    1. In fact, we don't even hate Bush's top contributor, Enron's Ken Lay.
      1. Even though Enron's market manipulation caused California Democrat Gray Davis to lose the governorship to a Republican.
  • We are not angry at Bush for replacing Constitutional government with authoritarian rule.
    1. We do not hate Bush for destroying the Fourth Amendment through his warrantless surveillance program.
      1. Nor do we hate Bush for committing over 30 felonies in the course of that program.
    2. We do not hate Bush for abolishing the ability of Congress to legislate by rewriting the laws through signing statements and his novel theory of the unilateral executive.
    3. We do not hate Bush for ignoring the Geneva Convention--Constitutionally, the law of the land--in order to putatively justify torture.
    4. We are not angry at Cheney for his, er, novel theory that the Vice President is a fourth branch of government.
    5. We are not angry at the press for covering this story only sporadically.
    6. Nor are we angry at the Democrats for having no plan to restore Constitutional government.
  • We are not angry at the Republicans for Katrina.
    1. We are not angry about The Plan.
    2. We are not angry at Bush for his ludicrously slow and botched response.
    3. We are not angry at Bush for saying "no one could have anticipated" the levees would break when that wasn't true.
    4. We are not angry at the Republicans for promising reconstruction and then not keeping his promise.
    5. We are not angry at Bush for promising an investigation and then not investigating.
  • We are not angry at the billionaires who gave billions to the conservatives, and are responsible for all this destruction.
    1. We are not angry at their very well-funded think tanks.
      1. We do not hate any member of any conservative think tank, not even the Discovery Institute.
      2. We do not hate conservatives for calling political operatives and propagandists "scholars".
    2. We do not hate Richard Mellon Scaife, who funded the attacks on President Clinton.
    3. We do not hate R.J. Rushdooney, who funded the Dominionists.
    4. Nor do we hate Koch, Olin, Coors, or Bradley.
      1. Nor the Bush Rangers and Pioneers, even though many of them are criminals.

    NOTE There is a slight problem with the Cato Institute's methodology: They don't ask whether people who say Fuck have anything to be angry about.

    UPDATE The [snicker] study (DCOW ) that the Cato propagandist scholar worked from.

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    Submitted by MJS on

    I feel so...neutered. I am going to bookmark this post to mine for its moral accounting.

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    Note: Lo siento, Senior Limbaugh! No oxycontin este tardes.

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    * We're not angry that people suffer from hunger... I mean "very low food security"... despite more than enough wealth to feed the world.

    * We're not angry that unemployment means that idle hands aren't given work, despite the desire to work and the pressing need for it.

    * We're not angry that we're supposed to pull a lever for our king and lords, and the next day go to work under a boss's command.

    * We're not angry about living in a nation which jails its own citizenry at the world's highest known rate, as if we're the most criminal people in existence.

    * We're not angry when we fall into the easy temptation of focussing solely on one side of the political aisle, when the other guys are only marginally better. These are deep institutional problems, not just a couple guys somehow blundering their way into power.

    Submitted by [Please enter a... (not verified) on

    Hey man. Get over it. You're just like any other idiotic democrat out there. Stop complaining about the past, and start coming up with solutions for the future. And stop complaining about the war. You haven't experienced it first hand so I don't think you even have the right to complain.

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    Military Veteran: You state that if someone hasn't experienced the current war firsthand then he or she does not "even have the right to complain." Does it not follow that if one hasn't experienced the war firsthand than one does not have the right to speak in its favor? Hey, I didn't get five deferments to avoid serving in Vietnam, so I cannot comment upon Dick "Fuck 'em" Cheney's unpatriotic behavior in the 60's? I didn't die and rise from the dead, so I cannot comment as to the veracity of those who claim a man/god has? This logic of yours: it's like American Express--it goes wherever you want to go. I smell GOPPER rat turds here. I do. I really, really do.

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    Submitted by vastleft on

    Why don't you get over whatever delusions you have about dirty '60s hippies and suggest a solution for this unnecessary quagmire you seem so pleased with.

    www.vastleft.com

    Submitted by [Please enter a... (not verified) on

    Get over what, MV? We're not angry. Perhaps you are projecting your own anger, as your side likes to do. Not angry about that, either.

    Submitted by [Please enter a... (not verified) on

    Life is struggle.
    World peace, social justice, love, health & inner peace.

    "la lutte continue" ("the struggle continues")

    Submitted by [Please enter a... (not verified) on

    I'm not taking a side I'm only expressing a view. I'm an Iraq veteran. The real truth is that returning home hurts like hell. You're all being lied to. CNN is far left and Fox is far right. The truth is with the Veterans. Politics aside I swear to you (although it may be hard for some to believe)the majority of the insurgents are fighting for Sharia Law (excuse the spelling).
    They hate America because we're suppose to be a haven for all peoples and religions. I've spent two years in Iraq and any insurgent propaganda I've come into contact with hates the "Free World" because of our morale beliefs. Mighty nations have fallen throughout history at the hands of people that they felt were inferior. The Islamic Terrorists throughout the Middle East are a threat.
    I know I'm not popular for saying that but it's my experience over there. The thing that hurts the worst is that I've lost friends, good men with families. One day they're building a School the next day they're dead. The Iraqis danced in the streets but only the day before they were more than willing to take donations. Yes I'm bitter about that. I'm expressing my feelings here so bare with me please. Returning home minus friends to find out that your nation doesn't believe that your capable of completing the mission hurts deep inside in ways I can't express. The war was a mistake? Than my friends died for nothing? It hurts like hell. Yes a few of our personnel comitted atrocities over there... Abu Ghuraib was an embarrasment to us all. Don't judge us all on that. I feel betrayed by all of America both parties. I've come to trust only my fellow soldiers. Democrats spit on my father as he returned from Vietnam and Republicans use the blood of my friends to advance themselves. Both sides can go to hell. I pray for an idenpendent. I'll continue to defend my nation with my life because I believe in the U.S. but I'm tired of both Conservatives and Liberals. The military wants to be seperated from Civilian Society. Just give us that it's all most of us ask. One other note. I prayed often to a God to get me home. I came home twice. Yes I'm a Christian. I fight for all religions in this country because it's the right of all Americans...Why am I being ridiculed by Liberals for being a Christian? I can't force a conversion on someone. I'm not allowed to talk about my comfort and happiness that I felt through prayer with people. I've noticed since I'm a Christian I'm suppose to remain quiet or I'm ridiculed. How is that Freedom? I don't hate Islam, Buddhism, or Jews or anyone else. I have friends who are atheist, Buddhist, Jewish, and Muslim. I've fought alongside these men. I'd give my life if need be for them. Why am I persecuted by my own nation for being a Christian? I hate no one. I've come to learn to hate Terrorists but that's my problem I volunterred. I make more than most doing this job it's not an escape from a future in fast food. How arrogant are the civilians who make these stupid statements. Most of our troops are college educated and work with the most sophisticated technology in the world. I want to quote a saying from the Vietnam Veterans "They Love Everyone But You." History repeats.
    I'm one veteran maybe you can understand how we feel. You're not helping us. You can't help us. Calling the deaths of our freinds meaningless doesn't help either. WE'RE NOT BUTCHERS, I'VE NEVER SEEN AN IRAQI FAMILY SLAUGHTERED. I have seen soldiers fighting evil that goes against the values of the "Free World" 90% of the Military there would make you all proud if only you opened your eyes. Armor is nice but allowing us to win is better and will save more lives of combat troops in the long run. Both sides have made being home very difficult. I love my Country but I'm not too crazy about what her citizens have become and how they treat the people who have vowed to defend Freedom. Politics, Money, Corportations to hell with all that. I joined to protect life and those who can't protect themselves. I came home to heart ache instead. To both sides Liberal and Conservative find a common ground for those of us who really are fighting this thing and in harms way. We dream and pray for the day we come home and your ruining it. Veterans we only have each other. To hell with parades and ass kissing just let our struggle and the lives of our dead mean something. Let their struggle have a purpose.

    Submitted by [Please enter a... (not verified) on

    No one is suggesting that the military is immoral or doing a wrongful thing. The argument is that the war you are fighting/ have fought is causing more of the things you are fighting- terrorism and islamic radicalism. Further, this fight should have been prosecuted in Afghanistan, not Iraq. Lastly, the war effort in Ieaq has been crippled by an incompetent leadership with no plan or strategy, hoping to accomplish its aims on the cheap.

    The president may be commander in chief of the armed forces, but the commander is subject to civilian oversight. None of these criticisms are the "property" of the left or the right. The war is not being prosecuted any better or worse because either party is arguing the proposition.

    What any of this has to do with Carl Rove or Corrente's list is beyond me.

    "Get over it" can be a juror if I am ever tried for murder, since according to his logic, there is no point in calling anyone to account for any act they have committed. Just bury the bodies, don't worry about how they got be dead, and move on. Does he have eleven friends who think the same way- I have some scores I could settle.

    Submitted by [Please enter a... (not verified) on

    I hope he seeks some counselling because carrying all that emotional baggage around is not good for one's blood pressure. In any event, I am grateful that the author of this hit piece has the opportunity to live in our great democracy which has not been successfully attacked by Islamic terrorists since 9/11. I am grateful that the author of this pap has the freedom to speak his or her mind against our government without reprisals (this is unusual under dictatorships where civil rights are being ignored). And lastly, I am grateful that the author of this ideological, pernicious dogma is able to construct a world where he or she feels comfortable - reality can be so boring.

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    Submitted by vastleft on

    Let me guess... you're living in the reality where the best way to fight Islamist terrorism is to divert resources from fighting Islamist terrorism, in order to turn a hemmed-in secular dictatorship into a hotbed of Islamist terrorism.

    Thanks for keepin' it real!

    Submitted by lambert on

    Jeebus, Douglas, a hit piece would be something like a post that said Republican Mark Foley hit on teenage boys, who found his attentions "sick, sick, sick" or that Republican Bernie Kerik fucked his mistress in an apartment that was supposed to be used for 9/11 responders or that Republican Diaper Danny Vitter ... Oh, wait. Those are all true. Well, I'm sure if I work on it, I can come up with something.

    Meanwhile, Doug--If I may call you Doug--I do notice that you have--how surprising--nothing analytical to contribute. Nothing to dispute the facts listed, nothing to respond to the fundamental idea that uncivil language is as nothing besides the depredations of the Bush administration... Nothing. Zip. Nada. Zilch.

    I certainly hope you're getting paid to troll, because then at least one person will regard your little contribution as useful or interesting.

    Peace out!

    UPDATE Douglas, I suspect you're not getting enough irony in your diet. Have you considered becoming literate?

    We. Are. Going. To. Die. We must restore hope in the world. We must bring forth a new way of living that can sustain the world. Or else it is not just us who will die but everyone. What have we got to lose? Go forth and Fight!—Xan

    Submitted by [Please enter a... (not verified) on

    I will attempt to communicate in a way that the "literate" people will understand - I promise not to use the word "pernicious" again.

    Okay, now that we have overcome our communication obstacles, I will make a few "analytical" observations to satisfy the burning desires of those starving for substance rather than the convoluted fluff they're being fed every day by Air America.

    I am angry at the Al Quaeda terrorist organization and more broadly, Islamic terrorists who seek to murder our citizens and those of our allies. I believe that we must change the Middle East (it has been an area of the world in great need of change for quite some time) by encouraging democracy such as that which exists in Turkey and Israel. No longer can we afford to tolerate rogue regimes like Iraq used to be and Iran is today. We're in for a long struggle so I am glad we've gotten started.

    During the Civil War, Abraham Lincoln suspended habeas corpus. During WWI, Woodrow Wilson signed the Seditions Act of 1918 which made it a crime to criticize the government - 2,000 people were convicted under this statute. During WWII, FDR put 180,000 Japanese in camps - 33% of these were U.S. citizens. George Bush signed the Patriot Act (which was voted for by Clinton & Edwards) which authorizes the administration to eavesdrop on some international communications and look at our library records. Doesn't anyone notice the lack of proportionality in the attacks on Bush compared with what was said about Wilson and FDR? Will one person from another ideological persuasion give Bush credit for thwarting attacks on our homeland since 9/11 and keeping our citizens safe? No, but they will whine as to the methods he used to do it. If an attack is successful in the future, the same people will scream to high heaven that Bush is responsible for the deaths. Vociferous critics will spew their venom either way.

    I almost hope that Hillary wins the general election after she wins the primary. It would be amusing to see her continue the same programs that many of her supporters criticize today as unconstitutional. I wonder if they would be as harsh in their criticism of her?

    Uncivil language is not a creation of the Bush administration. I can't even think of an example from this Administration but hasn't anyone read about the Jefferson vs. Adams campaign? And remember James Carville? Although I did like his comment about dragging a dollar bill thru a trailer park. Now that was fun! Women of trailer parks, unite in protest as this paid political consultant degrades you! Unbelievable, this man, he should resign in shame for coursening our political discourse, blah, blah, blah. The hypocrisy and feigned indignation almost makes one sick.

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    Submitted by Sarah on

    I will attempt to communicate in a way that the “literate” people will understand - I promise not to use the word “pernicious” again.
    Condescending, that. Pernicious is a fine word. Used appropriately I have no problem with it.
    Okay, now that we have overcome our communication obstacles, I will make a few “analytical” observations to satisfy the burning desires of those starving for substance rather than the convoluted fluff they’re being fed every day by Air America.
    Whoops. Um, no, this sounds to me like you're being condescending some more. Also, like you want to pump hydrogen into a fire nobody else thinks needs to grow.
    I am angry at the Al Quaeda terrorist organization and more broadly, Islamic terrorists who seek to murder our citizens and those of our allies.
    Okay, that's a good clear statement of intent. I think it's a mistaken intent and I think it's a product of swallowing too much of the traditional media's Bush-Cheney propaganda-driven swill, but you've stated it clearly.
    Do go on.
    I believe that we must change the Middle East (it has been an area of the world in great need of change for quite some time) by encouraging democracy such as that which exists in Turkey and Israel.
    On the face of it this seems like another good, clear statement. I could disagree with its tenets, but its form is discernible. Turkey's democracy is not without flaws, and Israel's is an arguable democracy at best. But I'll accept that you consider them admirable models.
    No longer can we afford to tolerate rogue regimes like Iraq used to be and Iran is today. We’re in for a long struggle so I am glad we’ve gotten started.
    BZZZZZT. Wrong. No longer can we afford to invade nations on the far side of the world to appease Bush/Cheney's greed. While this is a clear statement of your emotional reaction, you're cheering on the wrong action, Douglas. Please don't misunderstand me. Saddam Hussein was a bad guy, and at some point after Bush became President he ceased to be "our" bad guy -- but Rumsfeld shook hands with Saddam in the 1980s and the US backed Saddam's takeover of Iraq under Reagan, and while Saddam was a bad man, what was going on in Iraq with him in power didn't hold a candle to the wholesale slaughter and utter destruction of that nation during Bush's occupation of Iraq. Now, even if we could justify this misadventure on moral, humanitarian, economic or any other reasonable grounds, how in the world can you even suggest spreading it to a bigger part of the Middle East is a good idea?
    What part of $1-billion-a-week, 4,000-plus US KIA, more than 1,000,000 Iraqi KIA many of whom were noncombatants (women and kids), and NO FUNCTIONAL STATE don't you understand? What part of "broken US military" can't you comprehend? What part of "stop loss" and "extended tours" hasn't come to your attention? How do you explain going from a $200 billion surplus to a $477 billion deficit?
    During the Civil War, Abraham Lincoln suspended habeas corpus.
    BZZZZZZZZZZZZT!!! Suspension of habeas corpus was a bad idea then, and it's not a better idea now.
    During WWI, Woodrow Wilson signed the Seditions Act of 1918 which made it a crime to criticize the government - 2,000 people were convicted under this statute.
    And you would advocate repeating this act of governmental idiocy why, exactly? Because you have authoritarian leanings, or because your Fox News gurus tell you it's needful? Because the Constitution is just a piece of paper, and you really hate America?
    During WWII, FDR put 180,000 Japanese in camps - 33% of these were U.S. citizens.
    Some of these folks received reparations. ALL of them received a government apology. NONE OF THEM DESERVED TO BE TREATED SO BY THEIR OWN GOVERNMENT. What part of totally stupid criminality don't you understand, Douglas?
    George Bush signed the Patriot Act (which was voted for by Clinton & Edwards) which authorizes the administration to eavesdrop on some international communications and look at our library records.
    Are you really this naive about what the Patriot Act and its reauthorization enabled the government to do to the citizens of the United States of America? Seriously?
    Doesn’t anyone notice the lack of proportionality in the attacks on Bush compared with what was said about Wilson and FDR?
    Well, let's see. Wilson was voted out of office.
    FDR basically saved the country from starving and/or suffering through a second civil war after the financial ruin which was the natural result of the corporatist flimflammery of the previous 30 years (going back to McKinley, in yet another hat tip to KKKarl Rove's 'genius') set in and put millions of men and boys on the streets. What he did was circumvent a lot of pro-Communist sentiment by setting up some less-intense derivatives of socialist programs that let people go back to work, let people have an income so they could eat, and encouraged businesses to invest in US labor and production facilities. Did people still hate him? Yes, and they still do, and it's the Bush family's determined effort to destroy every iota of his legacy that brought us W. Next?
    Will one person from another ideological persuasion give Bush credit for thwarting attacks on our homeland since 9/11 and keeping our citizens safe?
    Just as soon as you admit that Bush is responsible for not stopping 9/11/01.
    No, but they will whine as to the methods he used to do it.
    Whine? You have got to be kidding. Whine? So are you a soldier in Iraq yet? Have you been? If not, why not?
    If an attack is successful in the future, the same people will scream to high heaven that Bush is responsible for the deaths.
    Nice strawman, complete with projection. I don't think it's worth the effort it'll take to demolish. Here's the thing: if there is another successful attack it will be because whoever is in charge in the government either missed or deliberately didn't act on the signals it was coming. Sound familiar? Presidential Daily Briefings given in Crawford are all the evidence I need cite to refute this bit of nonsensical Bush-worship.
    Vociferous critics will spew their venom either way. Yeah, that happens in a free country, Douglas. Too bad for you that free speech doesn't just mean free speech for one side or the other, eh?
    I almost hope that Hillary wins the general election after she wins the primary. It would be amusing to see her continue the same programs that many of her supporters criticize today as unconstitutional.
    Well, if you think she will, then you're one of us, and we're trying to get the unconstitutional programs shut down. So what's your problem?
    I wonder if they would be as harsh in their criticism of her?
    You gotta be kidding.
    Uncivil language is not a creation of the Bush administration. I can’t even think of an example from this Administration but hasn’t anyone read about the Jefferson vs. Adams campaign?
    Wow. I take it back. You're not a soldier in Iraq, and you are that naive, because you're in the tenth grade? No wonder you thought not using "pernicious" again would make your stance clearer. Well, I won't apologize to you. I will suggest that you broaden your reading agenda, though.
    And remember James Carville? Although I did like his comment about dragging a dollar bill thru a trailer park. Now that was fun! Women of trailer parks, unite in protest as this paid political consultant degrades you!
    Doug, Doug, Doug ... this isnt' helping your case, dude.
    Unbelievable, this man, he should resign in shame for coursening our political discourse, blah, blah, blah. The hypocrisy and feigned indignation almost makes one sick.
    Get a grip, kid. And the word is "coarsening."

    Damn, what passes for education today....

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    Submitted by vastleft on

    By "I believe that we must change the Middle East," did you mean pushing it to the brink of either a regional (or even world) war or a new Caliphate? If so, I think you voted for the right guy.

    Submitted by lambert on

    Since one of the costs of Bush's Iraq Clusterfuck is AQ recruitment, and one of the opportunity costs of Bush's Iraq Clusterfuck was a resurgent Taliban in Afghanistan/Pakistan where the six-foot, kidney-dialysis-requiring Bin Laden, though "wanted," is still very much "alive."

    Oh, and WAS responsible for the 9/11 deaths, too. Or what part of "Bin Laden Determined to Strike in US" and "You've covered your ass now" do you not understand?

    Very nice work, Sarah. Good clean fun.

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    Submitted by Sarah on

    I didn't realize until I went back and read it that the whole thing actually is g-rated.

    (note to self: make sure we're not, really, all piling on a kid)

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    Submitted by vastleft on

    "I don't really think about [Bin Laden] very much. I'm not that concerned" doesn't Douglas understand?

    What part of "bring 'em on" doesn't Douglas understand?

    I'm sure if a Democrat said s/he didn't think much about Bin Laden and also urged terrorists to attack our troops, he'd probably be concerned about such things. But it's all good, because our patriotic draft-dodging, attacking-the-wrong country, troop-exhausting, freedom-encroaching, deficit-spending Republicans are the good guys.

    Submitted by lambert on

    Though I might add some irony and say "ultra"-patriotic.

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    Let's see - Condescending:

    Damn, what passes for education today….

    Wow. I take it back. You’re not a soldier in Iraq, and you are that naive, because you’re in the tenth grade?

    Douglas, I suspect you’re not getting enough irony in your diet. Have you considered becoming literate?

    Paranoid:

    Here’s the thing: if there is another successful attack it will be because whoever is in charge in the government either missed or deliberately didn’t act on the signals it was coming. Sound familiar?

    No longer can we afford to invade nations on the far side of the world to appease Bush/Cheney’s greed.

    If anyone truly believes that any President of the United States "deliberately didn't act" to prevent the murder of our citizens, I am not sure there's any point for further discussion. To blame the President for the murderous act of those animals who flew the planes into buildings is a sign of delusional hatred. Our security/intelligence will never be perfect - and who wants to have a "Fortress America" anyway? And Lambert, it is more persuasive if you do not use condescending language when condemning condescension.

    Submitted by lambert on

    1. Bush gets memo: "Bin Laden determined to attack in US."

    2. Bush tells analyst warning him of Bin Laden: "Alright, you've covered your ass now."

    3. Bush goes fishing, continues vacation.

    Better explanation? Educate me. I take it, then, that you're not a LIHOP guy, but an "Official Story," or possibly an "Incompetence Theory" guy? (See here for categories.)

    Personally, I'd rather not believe in LIHOP ("Let It Happen on Purpose"), but cui bono, ya know? Even though your guy shat the bed on the war, everything else has worked out very well for him and his people, a lot of money has been made, and a lot of freedom take away. So there's no reason for you to feel defensive, at all.

    NOTE LIHOP isn't the same as MIHOP ("Made it Happen on Purpose").

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    Submitted by Sarah on

    Seriously, you think I'm paranoid because I figure that if there's ever another attack, successfully, on a US city it'll be because whoever's in charge either doesn't see, or chooses to ignore, the warning signs?

    I'll say it again. Widen the horizons of your reading. Take up a deeper study of history. Add a little military sf (more specifically, David Weber's Honor Harrington: in war, surprises happen because you see what you expected to see, not what was in front of you).

    And I'm not being condescending -- I'd much rather think of you as youthful and naive than jaded and delusional, which is where I think most of the Bush/Cheney apologists who aren't just completely amoral must fit.

    We. Are. Going. To. Die. We must restore hope in the world. We must bring forth a new way of living that can sustain the world. Or else it is not just us who will die but everyone. What have we got to lose? Go forth and Fight!-- Xan