[Welcome clammyc readers. This is a pretty old post, in blog years. Now I'd be less concerned about which candidate is more in the pocket of big business than which candidate will be more resistant to Shock Doctrine-style measures as the economy goes down. In the financial sector, it's already happened. I'm not sure we can afford the rich any more, though. Too many entitlements.]
You know, YouTubes are good. But transcripts are better. At least if you care about substance, as opposed to oratory (poor, poor Ezra):
Our new American majority can end the outrage of unaffordable, unavailable health care in our time. We can bring doctors and patients, workers and businesses, Democrats and Republicans together, and we can tell the drug and insurance industry that, while they get a seat at the table, they don‘t get to buy every chair, not this time, not now.
So, how many chairs will they be able to buy?
Sure, I know what Obama "really means" (and how often have you heard that one from the OFB
?)
But that's not what he said.
And compare that quote from Obama, above, with the Edwards quote, which is the real thing:
“My view is, you give them a seat at the table, they eat all the food! You cannot compromise with these people. They are very, very good. When you negotiate with them, they win. You have to beat them. You have to take them on.”
Which candidate do you think has a better understanding of how "our" country works today?
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I remeber hearing this
I remeber hearing this directly out of Edward's mouth. When I heard it I remembered the speech Sean Connery gives in the Elliot Ness movie about going after Capone, if they come at you with a gun, you go after them with a cannon, sort of thing. And I'm thinking, "You got that one right." I'm an Edwards supporter.
tdr
Way to unceremoniously "pooch" the famous Untouchables quote.
Damn it Lambert
Every time I want out ...
This is part of the issue with Obama. He won't take the stand against lobbyist. Edwards came out and said he wouldn't allow lobbyist. Obama hedged. He gave that Bullshit line. Why in God's name do insurance companies get to sit at the table of Government healthcare? It didn't used to be that way. That's like telling the government they can't negotiate on drug prices. WTF
?!? NO! Insurance doesn't get a seat at the table of government healthcare. That is why they spent all these years buying in. Obama is always going to sway the discussion to a soft right when it comes to buisness and finance. That's who's boy he is.
Iran
If we can talk to Iran and North Korea, maybe we can talk to drug companies too. I'm just saying...
That would be great
if we could ever get a seat at our own table.
And while we are talking about IRAN remeber when: US officials faked an incident to escalate the war.
Tongkin Gulf INCIDENT
Now compare...
...both Mr. Edwards and Mr. Obama's plans to Mr. Kucinich's plan on national "not-for-profit" health care. The insurance companies aren't even in the same state, much less the same room. Forget the seats at the table!
The federal government pays (from the tax dollars we already pay!) the hospitals and doctors to treat us just like Medicare. We go to the same doctors at the same hospitals, we just don't have to pay a premium out of our paycheck to our employer (What do they have to do with my health care?!?!?)
The money to cover these expenses are there... in the Pentagon and in bids to Haliburton and Blackwater!
Wake up America! Dennis Kucinich's ideas are the only ones that will create REAL change. He doesn't just use the word "change" he talks about how he will implement those changes in all of our lives!
rowdy: they are not "dennis k's ideas," they are ideas that
many, many americans of many different political orientations support. there are 40m taxpaying americans with no insurance, and millions more with insurance that serves no real purpose except in the most extreme medical emergencies.
DK didn't invent the idea of universal single payer. nor is he the only politician to speak of it. while i appreciate that on many levels, DK and i are on the same page, i have to also appreciate that the media won't let him win. if they won't let a moderate white christian guy from the south win, because he's "too liberal" and there's no way in hell anyone who advocates a department of peace will be allowed to win either.
i don't like this. it's undemocratic and unfair. but i have chosen to get behind edwards as i believe he has a greater chance at having an impact on the issues i care most about- and then there's DK himself, who is problematic to me. i didn't appreciate him endorsing obama last minute in iowa, and his 1% showing in NH didn't impress me either.
DK is a great guy, but he'll never be allowed to be president. let's focus on the sad reality and truth of our situation- edwards as AG works for me, or perhaps in a gore-like role advocating universal single payer. it'd be best if he could win the nom and get to be president, but like your guy, our media overlords are determined to make that not happen.
edwards still has a slim, slim chance at proving me wrong, and even if i'm right, he's got an opportunity to use the delagates he does have to broker the convention a bit, and demand that hillary or obama move more to the left, as true democrats should. perhaps edwards could take his delagates and convince obama that the only way to get them is to deny insurance companies a "seat at the table" from which they've been stealing for so long.
It's Obama's word "buy" that really frosts me
OK, OK, I supposed some sort of punk case can be made that the insurance companies "get" a seat the table (as even Xenophon misquotes him).
No, Obama says "buy" a seat at the table. Isn't that a little too close to business as usual in that citadel of good government, Chicago, for comfort?
[x] Any (D) in the general. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.
"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mahatma Gandhi
Too close for comfort?
Lambert, Obama is on the big Pharma take. In Rome he would meet a more severe punishment. It used to be called a bribe. Now we call it lobbying. They are all as crooked as a barrel of snakes and have sold out the republic for book deals, vacations and lunches.
I know exactly what he means. Either say no lobbyist or make enough money not to worry about it. Or don't vote for him, or Hillary or 98% of all political office holders. They are a bunch of crooks.
We are in a Bannana republic. Our government has been taken over by corporations and Obama and them are like fucking Stepford wives.
Lambert, FYI: that is what you call a glitch in the Matrix. When his real thinking creeps out from between his lips.
And then Agent Smith comes along...
... to repair the fabric of "reality" and explain what he really means? Check.
[x] Any (D) in the general. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.
"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mahatma Gandhi
But seriously
Obama does have that kinda fluffy messianic, Neo, "Keanu Reevesy," feel to him. Kinda studly then ... he speaks.