So, there was a stampede in Detroit, today...

And, they say that it's "just" a recession. Chaos decided to roost in Detroit, today, as the truly despressed and distressed came out in droves seeking housing and utility payment assistance from the City of Detroit:

The economic tsunami washing over metro Detroit swept its casualties to the doors of Cobo Center on Wednesday in the form of 35,000 people so desperate for help with mortgage and utility bills that threats were made, fights broke out and people were nearly trampled.

Some were treated by emergency medical workers on site.

It was one of the most dramatic signs to date of how deeply joblessness and the home foreclosure crisis have pushed people from the lower and middle ends of the economic scale to seek help wherever they can.

City officials said a total of about 65,000 people over the past few days have gotten applications -- due next Wednesday -- for a share of $15.2 million in federal stimulus money to help people avoid foreclosure or quickly rebound from homelessness.

Ultimately, as few as 3,500 people may receive the help.

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People fainted and others fought as police tried to keep people calm and cooperative in line at Cobo, with some waiting since Tuesday night. By 11:45 a.m., Detroit Mayor Dave Bing's office sent out word for people to stay away.

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Inside Cobo, lines led up to a crush of people outside the Riverview Ballroom, where Detroit Planning & Development employees were to hand out applications. At about 10:30 a.m., a shoving match broke out in the crowd, and many of the people bolted away.

"It's a disaster here," City Council candidate Gary Brown said. Brown, a former Detroit Police assistant chief, handed out bottles of water to those in line. "This is dangerous. Very unorganized, very dangerous."

Another account from the News reports people were actually trampled:

Detroit -- Thousands hoping to get applications for federal help on rent and utility bills turned Cobo Center into a chaotic scene today.

They came by foot, wheelchair, bicycle and car. About six left by ambulance after tensions rose and people were trampled, according to a paramedic on the scene.

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Detroit Police 2nd Deputy Chief John Roach said 150 officers on the scene got a handle on the situation. "There was some pushing and shoving, and some people have fainted," Roach said. "Given the fact that we have 15,000 people down there, I'm surprised things have been as orderly as they are."

It was difficult to estimate the crowd because lines snaked all through the convention center and outside along the building and down the parking ramp along Cobo Arena to the river. One police officer estimated the crowd at 50,000.

Cobo Hall is Detroit's convention center, and I can't help to think from the description, pics, and video that this is something at least superficially similar to the folks that flooded New Orleans convention center for assistance during Katrina.

But, listen, Wall Street's gaining, right now, so we're coming out of this, right? After all, Wall Street is the economy, right?

But hundreds of people were packed outside the ballroom. At about 10:30, a fight broke out, and many of the people bolted away, scared in the crush of people.

“It’s bad. It’s bad. It really is,” said Kelli Phillips, 42, of Detroit, handing her application in among the crowd. “All you have to do is look around and see it. That’s why a lot of people are moving. I love my city. I don’t want to move. But I don’t know. There’s got to be something better.”

Albeit, Detroit is a rather extreme example of what's happening in the nation, but not so much so that this can't, and won't, eventually happen elsewhere. We're almost accustomed to listening to the tunes from the Nero's in Washington as the city burns, here in Michigan, but this is just getting ridiculous. This has gone beyond "benign neglect". Benign neglect is letting something like this happen for a decade or two, not half-a-century.

Duck! **swoosh** Did you hear that? That's the economy flying over your head, folks.

Note to the administration: When you come up with Stimulus v.1.5, cut out all of the silly tax cuts to appease Republicans and pump it into more assistance and infrastructure building and rebuilding, okay?

BTW, can someone help me in finally figuring out how to add images to posts?

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the feral houses are pretty cool, until you start connecting their stories to the stories of the people who used to live there, and to those of the people who still do.

to post images [and i'd like to see whatever you've got] --

first, get an account at flickr or photobucket or imageshack or shutterfly [there are others if you don't like these, google image hosting]

then upload your images to flickr [or wherever]

back at corrente --

as you're writing a post or comment, put the cursor where you want the image to be and click the insert/edit image icon [third from left, between blockquote and bold]

when the dialog box opens, paste the url of your image [from photobucket or wherever] into the space labeled image url, and if your image is is wider than 500 pixels, enter some number that is <= 500 into the width box [the program automagickally adjusts the height for you]

click ok, and voila! code should show up in the text box here, and when you preview, you should see your image.

i've lived for a few weeks in primitive conditions, whether by choice [backwoods camping] or not [hurricane aftermath], and i've been unemployed for a few months, and i've lived very, very frugally on the edges of sorry, run-down neighborhoods, but when i try to extrapolate these relatively benign experiences to get a feel for what it must be like to live in detroit, my brain just freezes up.

[and your first link doesn't seem to work]

Yep

The General Electric plant here in Louisville opened up 100 jobs, all paying about 1/2 what the current employees are making. They are only allowing application online though, which sux for poor people with no internet access, but there would probably have been riots if they had done in publicly.

And speaking of the stimulus, we are currently having one of the main interstates thru town revamped with stimulus money. And I would like to punch out the person who determined how to spend this.

I-65 had concrete slabs that had lasted 21 years. There were portions where the road bed had buckled, and repairs were needed. But, overall, the slabs have held up, and not having to do more than minor upkeep was a good thing.

Well those days are done, as the idiots in charge of allocating the money, decided that replacing the very effective concrete slabs with flipping asphalt, was a good idea.

Asphalt! Which will need replacing in five years, as this is a heavy traffic interstate, which will mess up the local economy AGAIN, as traffic is snarled for weeks on end.

I mean, OK, if the stimulus didn't provide enough money to completely lay down new slabs, throw down some asphalt as a temporary measure, until new slabs can be lain. But they have totally removed the concrete slabs, and are laying down gravel and sediment as a long term replacement for the concrete slabs.

So not only is the stimulus totally unhelpful for creating jobs, its totally unhelpful to the taxpayers who rely on the infrastructure the stimulus is supposed to repair.

He who will not reason is a bigot; he who cannot is a fool; and he who dares not is a slave.
- Sir William Drummond

So there'll be a contract for asphalt replacement in 5 years...

... and you say that like it's a bad thing!

[dodges brickbat]

Irony!

"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mahatma Gandhi

Sweet Juniper blog

That Hipparchia linked to is also awesome. Fabulous writing and pictures and thank you Hipparchia.

Sweet Juniper.

Sorry, I don't fall in love with politicians. I'm not that desperate.

Done, thanks

Added to blogroll and given some hits with a post. They are good.

Why, one wonders, are there feral dogs on the streets of Detroit?

"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mahatma Gandhi

You know that's the exact defense I keep hearing

Yea!! They'll be more jobs in five years!

This of course neglects the damage being done to the local economy NOW, as the traffic congestion affects productivity, and effects how conventioners can travel about town, as conventions and tourism are a big part of the local economy.

He who will not reason is a bigot; he who cannot is a fool; and he who dares not is a slave.
- Sir William Drummond

Any excellent local Louisville blogs, Aeryl?

Would be nice to add them in to the mix....

"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mahatma Gandhi

they're *always* repaving the highways in alabama

asphalt of course. and repaved probably on a 5-year cycle if not more often. i do not, however, see hordes of people working at these sites -- just a few flagpersons and equipment operators -- but i'm sure they use 'jobs' as an excuse.

excellent detroit blog at

http://dyspathy.com/

it's very local in concern, so it may be someone difficult for people to understand if they're aren't from the area, but nonetheless it is a brutally honest blog when it comes to MI and Detroit politics.

i have said for a long time and i still believe it: the karmic price for letting rust belt cities like Detroit fall into third world condition is going to be paid, and soon. people are so sure their regional economies can't be destroyed by outside forces and inside corruption, but they're wrong. Today's Detroit is America's Future, without progressive economic policy and reform. which we're unlikely to get from these dems, let alone the rethugs who will be replacing them in '10 and '12. middle class america: you've been warned.

CD, great blog so but and...

... you can add to the blogroll yourself whenever you want. See "New Blogroll Link" at the top. But let's try not to add links that everybody already knows, but C list and especially local but therefore tasty blogs like that one.

"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mahatma Gandhi

Our frightening future.

Detroit's estimated population is approximately 822,000 (via city-data.com). With 65,000 people applying for this aid (and presumably on the part of families or "households", so multiply that by 2-3), that is a very large % of the families in Detroit in distress. Probably 25-30% of the population.

From WTOP:

One in four working-age adults in Detroit is without a job, and the city's home foreclosure rate continues to be among the nation's highest. One in four families and three out of every 10 individuals live below the poverty level, according to the U.S. Census.

Sorry, I don't fall in love with politicians. I'm not that desperate.

Population

Population estimates are a very touchy subject for the city, and they like to use the official Census Bureau estimate, which is 912,062 for 2008. The city was successful in challenging the Census back in 2006, as the Census routinely undercounts and underestimates large, established minority-majority cities. The city did it's own special Census estimate, that year, and found that the city was being undercounted by nearly 50,000.

I know I'm sending mixed signals, here, but while Detroit is in terrible shape, it's sometimes actually exaggerated even more than the horrible reality.

But, we've always been at war with Eastasia...

Very interesting

I imagine it is highly political and I should have taken that into account. But then also, many cities (including Detroit proper) have been losing population as jobs leave and it isn't something to be ignored. It's actually part of the problem, declining population means declining tax base, declining demand for housing, declining work force, etc. and becomes a sefl-reinforcing cycle.

Sorry, I don't fall in love with politicians. I'm not that desperate.

will do, lb

but i gotta tell ya, it's not for the faint of heart. i limit how often i go there because frankly, it makes me really depressed sometimes.

Well, Corrente...

... isn't for the faint of heart either...

"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mahatma Gandhi

okanogen johnston is right!

that is a pretty cool blog. thanks, H!

lb: when mommy dog and daddy dog love each other very much...

oh, wait. you were probably talking about the utter corruption and lack of funding for the services which provide "civilization." we have a problem with that here.

Is this on the right thread?

But thanks for sharing!

"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mahatma Gandhi

well, i've never claimed to be anything other than

feral in my sexual habits, and i've got several exs who call me 'a dog.' but perhaps i've said too much...

if storks bring human babies, who brings puppies? box turtles?