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[I'm leaving this sticky so we can watch the mainstream narrative coagulate. See the final UPDATE for a quick blogosphere roundup. --lambert]

Via McClatchy's Fort Worth Star Telegram...

In a rambling, obscenity-laced suicide note posted online, the pilot accused of flying his plane into an Austin office building Thursday takes aim at the IRS, religion, big business and even [??] former President George W. Bush.

“I remember reading about the stock market crash before the ‘great’ depression and how there were wealthy bankers and businessmen jumping out of windows when they realized they screwed up and lost everything,” according to the posting, dated Feb. 18, 2010, and signed “Joe Stack, (1956-2010)."

How is that "rambling"? It's all true.

+1000:

“Isn’t it ironic how far we’ve come in 60 years in this country that they now know how to fix that little economic problem; they just steal from the middle class (who doesn’t have any say in it, elections are a joke) to cover their asses and it’s ‘business-as-usual.’

“Now when the wealthy f--- up, the poor get to die for the mistakes… isn’t that a clever, tidy solution.”

How is that "rambling"? It's all true.

-1000:

Violence, he wrote, "not only is the answer, it is the only answer."

Not to any question I want to ask.... I think NV is the only answer.*

NOTE Why in the name of sweet suffering Jeebus did Joseph Andrew Stack (Piper PA-28-236) identify the IRS as the real enemy? It's the banksters who lack the shame and the stones to self-defenestrate who are the real enemies. Why blame the collection agency, instead of the bank? That's the fundamental sloppiness of the right wing critique at work.

NOTE * In fact, I'm not really willing to entertain discussion on this point; I might even add that policy to the administrivia page.

CLARIFICATION "It's all true" applies only to the quoted material. Obviously, since I call out "the fundamental sloppiness of the right wing critique," and mark the writer -1000 for lack of NV, I don't believe the whole letter is true.

UPDATE Here is a great, great post at Yves place, and read the comments before the press and the access bloggers totally pollute the story.

UPDATE It's all about the rents! Here's an analysis of section 1706, which is the section of the Tax Code Stack writes about in his letter (this happened to me, and no, the impact wasn't good):

Because when the IRS changed the code, it destroyed thousands of engineering independent contractors status. In the past, an individual could act easily as a small business, complete with all taxes and deductions allowed to a small business and take on projects directly with large companies, working in house, using their engineering workplace. ...

That independent consultant, engineer, was charging lawyer rates, $100-$600 an hour, and the firm, corporation contracted with that individual directly.

Corporations would pay those rates and still do, for they needed that level of expertise, but unfortunately, again to the Sec. 1706, the engineer no longer is getting that money, instead a 3rd party contract house is, like a glorified slave trader.

Even worse, corporations will only use certain contract houses and it's not based on skills, expertise, ability, it's all based on some inside contract arrangement and preferred vendor status. Get it? Now trading people is considered to be a vendor. One is just a body and individuals with their technical expertise are traded like sacks of corn and potatoes.

In 1987 when Sec. 1706 passed, corporations ran scared and instead used a host of 3rd party vendors, as IRS buffers, who turn around and take 20% to 80% of that contractor's gross receipts, paid out as 1099-misc. [rent!] That 3rd party does nothing but act as an IRS buffer so a corporation will not be held liable if that independent consultant is deemed to be an employee of that firm.

Engineers and specialty skilled consultants are not the same as other types of contractors or even programmers. Often a firm needs this expertise, but per project, often lasting at least 1 year to 5, but they do not need these specialty skills longer than that because the project is then over.

So, what the IRS did was screw over thousands of highly skilled independent consultants and made 3rd party contract houses, like Manpower, Kelly Services, etc. proliferate and in fact these contract houses plain steal from the consultants pocket and offer nothing except a legal buffering for a corporation to avoid paying FICA and other taxes.

UPDATE Stack's sin? (And I use the word sin advisedly.) Crashing his plane into the building during business hours (though, I suppose one would always have peasants -- cleaning people -- to look out for). Meanwhile, conventional wisdom is coagulating among the access bloggers ("bizarre ideology").

When I read Stack's missive, I see unformed ideology that's no more or less bizarre than, say our elite's "market based solutions" that murder 45,000 people a year, and which our access bloggers and "progressives" at best seek to palliate. And I also see experience that's like mine and like millions:

My neighbor was an elderly retired woman (80+ seemed ancient to me at that age) who was the widowed wife of a retired steel worker. Her husband had worked all his life in the steel mills of central Pennsylvania with promises from big business and the union that, for his 30 years of service, he would have a pension and medical care to look forward to in his retirement. Instead he was one of the thousands who got nothing because the incompetent mill management and corrupt union (not to mention the government) raided their pension funds and stole their retirement. All she had was social security to live on.

In retrospect, the situation was laughable because here I was living on peanut butter and bread (or Ritz crackers when I could afford to splurge) for months at a time. When I got to know this poor figure and heard her story I felt worse for her plight than for my own (I, after all, I thought I had everything to in front of me). I was genuinely appalled at one point, as we exchanged stories and commiserated with each other over our situations, when she in her grandmotherly fashion tried to convince me that I would be “healthier” eating cat food (like her) rather than trying to get all my substance from peanut butter and bread. I couldn’t quite go there, but the impression was made. I decided that I didn’t trust big business to take care of me, and that I would take responsibility for my own future and myself.

I guess they didn't have ramen noodles available then. As Yves remarks:

I met with a pollster yesterday, and he said he had never seen such a gap in attitudes in beliefs among those in the political elite versus those of the public at large, and he expected bad outcomes.

"Progressives" suck just as hard as the rest of the elite. We already know that from the health insurance reform fiasco, but we can learn it all over again from the Stack episode. Why? Because Stack's experience, as distinct from his action, is shared by millions. Even though "progressives" are the trivial and abortive power seekers we know them to be, if they had an ounce of political courage or even a smidgeon of good sense, they'd be trying to fix the problem and win an electorate of millions for generations (like, say, FDR).

So what do we get? "Bizarre ideology." Horse-race coverage. More horse race coverage. He's wearing the wrong jersey! It is so terrorism, so FOX sucks! Stack's insane and a tax nut. The only exception I can find is Greenwald, who calls this shot:

[I]f Stack's manifesto begins to attract serious attention, I think it's likely the term Terrorist will be decisively applied to him in order to discredit what he wrote. His message is a sharply anti-establishment and populist grievance of the type that transcends ideological and partisan divisions -- the complaints which Stack passionately voices are found as common threads in the tea party movement and among citizens on both the Left and on the Right -- and thus tend to be the type which the establishment (which benefits from high levels of partisan distractions and divisions) finds most threatening and in need of demonization. Nothing is more effective at demonizing something than slapping the Terrorist label onto it.

As you can see from the links I gave, that's already happening. And who's leading the charge? Why, "progressives" -- to stick the needle into FOX! [pounds head on desk]. Stupid, stupid, stupid. Oh well, I'm sure that plays well in Versailles.

Who was it who said that evil is absence of empathy?

Killing by crashing a plane into a building is evil, for that very reason.

Killing by crashing trillions of toxic derivatives into the economy is evil, and for the same reason -- and it kills a lot more people.

Oddly, or not, that's not the focus of "progressive" discourse right now.

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Submitted by vastleft on

A man with an axe to grind with the government flies an airplane into a building containing government offices, and this is the response:

...a spokesman for the Department of Homeland Security said there is no reason to believe that terrorism was involved.

Why don't they come out and say, "there is no reason to believe that Muslims were involved"?

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Submitted by Pol C on

...but I read it through while it was still up. This slime thought that the IRS is the enemy because they wouldn't give him--the little guy--a pass on certain tax regulations that he thought the big boys were getting. I don't know whether he's right about that, but this awful stunt today was essentially a tantrum over getting caught cheating and having to pay a price for it. His motives were almost as despicable as his actions.

Submitted by lambert on

... what's wrong with the little guy doing it?

Not saying cheating's not wrong, but you can see how the rot spreads. And it's not the little guys that tore up the social contract, or slammed the gates to their communities shut. So, I don't agree, but I do understand.

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Submitted by koan on

on every site reporting this story.. all containing variations on 'whiner' or 'he needed to get laid'.

Seriously, am I getting old or has the snottiness quotient out there really just shot off the horizon?

I mean for crying out loud.

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whered the delete button go

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Submitted by basement angel on

personalize their battle with the IRS, when the IRS is the final word. I just don't get that. I understand going to war with a tax code that outright damages your ability to earn a real living, but I don't understand doing it in such a way that you wind up footing the bill personally and directly. Unless you're going to battle intending to do just that.

I'm sympathetic to the guy on a lot of fronts, but this "cleverness" in thinking that you can manipulate your tax bill just because some yahoo points to a sub-section and tells you that you can do it (and I'm sure the man in question would tell me that they were thoroughly well-acquainted with the code and that the practice employed by the IRS was at odds with the written word - which may be true).

Still, he has legitimate beefs but the IRS was not the problem that he had.

Submitted by lambert on

Susie published it, and she's right.

* * *

Well Mr. Big Brother IRS man… take my pound of flesh and sleep well.

If you’re reading this, you’re no doubt asking yourself, “Why did this have to happen?” The simple truth is that it is complicated and has been coming for a long time. The writing process, started many months ago, was intended to be therapy in the face of the looming realization that there isn’t enough therapy in the world that can fix what is really broken. Needless to say, this rant could fill volumes with example after example if I would let it. I find the process of writing it frustrating, tedious, and probably pointless… especially given my gross inability to gracefully articulate my thoughts in light of the storm raging in my head. Exactly what is therapeutic about that I’m not sure, but desperate times call for desperate measures.

We are all taught as children that without laws there would be no society, only anarchy. Sadly, starting at early ages we in this country have been brainwashed to believe that, in return for our dedication and service, our government stands for justice for all. We are further brainwashed to believe that there is freedom in this place, and that we should be ready to lay our lives down for the noble principals represented by its founding fathers. Remember? One of these was “no taxation without representation”. I have spent the total years of my adulthood unlearning that crap from only a few years of my childhood. These days anyone who really stands up for that principal is promptly labeled a “crackpot”, traitor and worse.

While very few working people would say they haven’t had their fair share of taxes (as can I), in my lifetime I can say with a great degree of certainty that there has never been a politician cast a vote on any matter with the likes of me or my interests in mind. Nor, for that matter, are they the least bit interested in me or anything I have to say.

Why is it that a handful of thugs and plunderers can commit unthinkable atrocities (and in the case of the GM executives, for scores of years) and when it’s time for their gravy train to crash under the weight of their gluttony and overwhelming stupidity, the force of the full federal government has no difficulty coming to their aid within days if not hours? Yet at the same time, the joke we call the American medical system, including the drug and insurance companies, are murdering tens of thousands of people a year and stealing from the corpses and victims they cripple, and this country’s leaders don’t see this as important as bailing out a few of their vile, rich cronies. Yet, the political “representatives” (thieves, liars, and self-serving scumbags is far more accurate) have endless time to sit around for year after year and debate the state of the “terrible health care problem”. It’s clear they see no crisis as long as the dead people don’t get in the way of their corporate profits rolling in.

And justice? You’ve got to be kidding!

How can any rational individual explain that white elephant conundrum in the middle of our tax system and, indeed, our entire legal system? Here we have a system that is, by far, too complicated for the brightest of the master scholars to understand. Yet, it mercilessly “holds accountable” its victims, claiming that they’re responsible for fully complying with laws not even the experts understand. The law “requires” a signature on the bottom of a tax filing; yet no one can say truthfully that they understand what they are signing; if that’s not “duress” than what is. If this is not the measure of a totalitarian regime, nothing is.

How did I get here?

My introduction to the real American nightmare starts back in the early ’80s. Unfortunately after more than 16 years of school, somewhere along the line I picked up the absurd, pompous notion that I could read and understand plain English. Some friends introduced me to a group of people who were having ‘tax code’ readings and discussions. In particular, zeroed in on a section relating to the wonderful “exemptions” that make institutions like the vulgar, corrupt Catholic Church so incredibly wealthy. We carefully studied the law (with the help of some of the “best”, high-paid, experienced tax lawyers in the business), and then began to do exactly what the “big boys” were doing (except that we weren’t steeling from our congregation or lying to the government about our massive profits in the name of God). We took a great deal of care to make it all visible, following all of the rules, exactly the way the law said it was to be done.

The intent of this exercise and our efforts was to bring about a much-needed re-evaluation of the laws that allow the monsters of organized religion to make such a mockery of people who earn an honest living. However, this is where I learned that there are two “interpretations” for every law; one for the very rich, and one for the rest of us… Oh, and the monsters are the very ones making and enforcing the laws; the inquisition is still alive and well today in this country.

That little lesson in patriotism cost me $40,000+, 10 years of my life, and set my retirement plans back to 0. It made me realize for the first time that I live in a country with an ideology that is based on a total and complete lie. It also made me realize, not only how naive I had been, but also the incredible stupidity of the American public; that they buy, hook, line, and sinker, the crap about their “freedom”… and that they continue to do so with eyes closed in the face of overwhelming evidence and all that keeps happening in front of them.

Before even having to make a shaky recovery from the sting of the first lesson on what justice really means in this country (around 1984 after making my way through engineering school and still another five years of “paying my dues”), I felt I finally had to take a chance of launching my dream of becoming an independent engineer.

On the subjects of engineers and dreams of independence, I should digress somewhat to say that I’m sure that I inherited the fascination for creative problem solving from my father. I realized this at a very young age.

The significance of independence, however, came much later during my early years of college; at the age of 18 or 19 when I was living on my own as student in an apartment in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania. My neighbor was an elderly retired woman (80+ seemed ancient to me at that age) who was the widowed wife of a retired steel worker. Her husband had worked all his life in the steel mills of central Pennsylvania with promises from big business and the union that, for his 30 years of service, he would have a pension and medical care to look forward to in his retirement. Instead he was one of the thousands who got nothing because the incompetent mill management and corrupt union (not to mention the government) raided their pension funds and stole their retirement. All she had was social security to live on.

In retrospect, the situation was laughable because here I was living on peanut butter and bread (or Ritz crackers when I could afford to splurge) for months at a time. When I got to know this poor figure and heard her story I felt worse for her plight than for my own (I, after all, I thought I had everything to in front of me). I was genuinely appalled at one point, as we exchanged stories and commiserated with each other over our situations, when she in her grandmotherly fashion tried to convince me that I would be “healthier” eating cat food (like her) rather than trying to get all my substance from peanut butter and bread. I couldn’t quite go there, but the impression was made. I decided that I didn’t trust big business to take care of me, and that I would take responsibility for my own future and myself.

Return to the early ’80s, and here I was off to a terrifying start as a ‘wet-behind-the-ears’ contract software engineer… and two years later, thanks to the fine backroom, midnight effort by the sleazy executives of Arthur Andersen (the very same folks who later brought us Enron and other such calamities) and an equally sleazy New York Senator (Patrick Moynihan), we saw the passage of 1986 tax reform act with its section 1706.

For you who are unfamiliar, here is the core text of the IRS Section 1706, defining the treatment of workers (such as contract engineers) for tax purposes. Visit this link for a conference committee report (http://www.synergistech.com/1706.shtml#C...) regarding the intended interpretation of Section 1706 and the relevant parts of Section 530, as amended. For information on how these laws affect technical services workers and their clients, read our discussion here (http://www.synergistech.com/ic-taxlaw.shtml).

SEC. 1706. TREATMENT OF CERTAIN TECHNICAL PERSONNEL.

(a) IN GENERAL – Section 530 of the Revenue Act of 1978 is amended by adding at the end thereof the following new subsection:

(d) EXCEPTION. – This section shall not apply in the case of an individual who pursuant to an arrangement between the taxpayer and another person, provides services for such other person as an engineer, designer, drafter, computer programmer, systems analyst, or other similarly skilled worker engaged in a similar line of work.

(b) EFFECTIVE DATE. – The amendment made by this section shall apply to remuneration paid and services rendered after December 31, 1986.

Note:

· “another person” is the client in the traditional job-shop relationship.

· “taxpayer” is the recruiter, broker, agency, or job shop.

· “individual”, “employee”, or “worker” is you.

Admittedly, you need to read the treatment to understand what it is saying but it’s not very complicated. The bottom line is that they may as well have put my name right in the text of section (d). Moreover, they could only have been more blunt if they would have came out and directly declared me a criminal and non-citizen slave. Twenty years later, I still can’t believe my eyes.

During 1987, I spent close to $5000 of my ‘pocket change’, and at least 1000 hours of my time writing, printing, and mailing to any senator, congressman, governor, or slug that might listen; none did, and they universally treated me as if I was wasting their time. I spent countless hours on the L.A. freeways driving to meetings and any and all of the disorganized professional groups who were attempting to mount a campaign against this atrocity. This, only to discover that our efforts were being easily derailed by a few moles from the brokers who were just beginning to enjoy the windfall from the new declaration of their “freedom”. Oh, and don’t forget, for all of the time I was spending on this, I was loosing income that I couldn’t bill clients.

After months of struggling it had clearly gotten to be a futile exercise. The best we could get for all of our trouble is a pronouncement from an IRS mouthpiece that they weren’t going to enforce that provision (read harass engineers and scientists). This immediately proved to be a lie, and the mere existence of the regulation began to have its impact on my bottom line; this, of course, was the intended effect.

Again, rewind my retirement plans back to 0 and shift them into idle. If I had any sense, I clearly should have left abandoned engineering and never looked back.

Instead I got busy working 100-hour workweeks. Then came the L.A. depression of the early 1990s. Our leaders decided that they didn’t need the all of those extra Air Force bases they had in Southern California, so they were closed; just like that. The result was economic devastation in the region that rivaled the widely publicized Texas S&L fiasco. However, because the government caused it, no one gave a shit about all of the young families who lost their homes or street after street of boarded up houses abandoned to the wealthy loan companies who received government funds to “shore up” their windfall. Again, I lost my retirement.

Years later, after weathering a divorce and the constant struggle trying to build some momentum with my business, I find myself once again beginning to finally pick up some speed. Then came the .COM bust and the 911 nightmare. Our leaders decided that all aircraft were grounded for what seemed like an eternity; and long after that, ’special’ facilities like San Francisco were on security alert for months. This made access to my customers prohibitively expensive. Ironically, after what they had done the Government came to the aid of the airlines with billions of our tax dollars … as usual they left me to rot and die while they bailed out their rich, incompetent cronies WITH MY MONEY! After these events, there went my business but not quite yet all of my retirement and savings.

By this time, I’m thinking that it might be good for a change. Bye to California, I’ll try Austin for a while. So I moved, only to find out that this is a place with a highly inflated sense of self-importance and where damn little real engineering work is done. I’ve never experienced such a hard time finding work. The rates are 1/3 of what I was earning before the crash, because pay rates here are fixed by the three or four large companies in the area who are in collusion to drive down prices and wages… and this happens because the justice department is all on the take and doesn’t give a fuck about serving anyone or anything but themselves and their rich buddies.

To survive, I was forced to cannibalize my savings and retirement, the last of which was a small IRA. This came in a year with mammoth expenses and not a single dollar of income. I filed no return that year thinking that because I didn’t have any income there was no need. The sleazy government decided that they disagreed. But they didn’t notify me in time for me to launch a legal objection so when I attempted to get a protest filed with the court I was told I was no longer entitled to due process because the time to file ran out. Bend over for another $10,000 helping of justice.

So now we come to the present. After my experience with the CPA world, following the business crash I swore that I’d never enter another accountant’s office again. But here I am with a new marriage and a boatload of undocumented income, not to mention an expensive new business asset, a piano, which I had no idea how to handle. After considerable thought I decided that it would be irresponsible NOT to get professional help; a very big mistake.

When we received the forms back I was very optimistic that they were in order. I had taken all of the years information to Bill Ross, and he came back with results very similar to what I was expecting. Except that he had neglected to include the contents of Sheryl’s unreported income; $12,700 worth of it. To make matters worse, Ross knew all along this was missing and I didn’t have a clue until he pointed it out in the middle of the audit. By that time it had become brutally evident that he was representing himself and not me.

This left me stuck in the middle of this disaster trying to defend transactions that have no relationship to anything tax-related (at least the tax-related transactions were poorly documented). Things I never knew anything about and things my wife had no clue would ever matter to anyone. The end result is… well, just look around.

I remember reading about the stock market crash before the “great” depression and how there were wealthy bankers and businessmen jumping out of windows when they realized they screwed up and lost everything. Isn’t it ironic how far we’ve come in 60 years in this country that they now know how to fix that little economic problem; they just steal from the middle class (who doesn’t have any say in it, elections are a joke) to cover their asses and it’s “business-as-usual”. Now when the wealthy fuck up, the poor get to die for the mistakes… isn’t that a clever, tidy solution.

As government agencies go, the FAA is often justifiably referred to as a tombstone agency, though they are hardly alone. The recent presidential puppet GW Bush and his cronies in their eight years certainly reinforced for all of us that this criticism rings equally true for all of the government. Nothing changes unless there is a body count (unless it is in the interest of the wealthy sows at the government trough). In a government full of hypocrites from top to bottom, life is as cheap as their lies and their self-serving laws.

I know I’m hardly the first one to decide I have had all I can stand. It has always been a myth that people have stopped dying for their freedom in this country, and it isn’t limited to the blacks, and poor immigrants. I know there have been countless before me and there are sure to be as many after. But I also know that by not adding my body to the count, I insure nothing will change. I choose to not keep looking over my shoulder at “big brother” while he strips my carcass, I choose not to ignore what is going on all around me, I choose not to pretend that business as usual won’t continue; I have just had enough.

I can only hope that the numbers quickly get too big to be white washed and ignored that the American zombies wake up and revolt; it will take nothing less. I would only hope that by striking a nerve that stimulates the inevitable double standard, knee-jerk government reaction that results in more stupid draconian restrictions people wake up and begin to see the pompous political thugs and their mindless minions for what they are. Sadly, though I spent my entire life trying to believe it wasn’t so, but violence not only is the answer, it is the only answer. The cruel joke is that the really big chunks of shit at the top have known this all along and have been laughing, at and using this awareness against, fools like me all along.

I saw it written once that the definition of insanity is repeating the same process over and over and expecting the outcome to suddenly be different. I am finally ready to stop this insanity. Well, Mr. Big Brother IRS man, let’s try something different; take my pound of flesh and sleep well.

The communist creed: From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.

The capitalist creed: From each according to his gullibility, to each according to his greed.

Joe Stack (1956-2010)

02/18/2010

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Submitted by Sarah on

the thing reads like a cross between the Cliff's Notes for a Russian novel, and a "I'm a good God-fearing White Christian Republican. Where's MY tax cut?"

You can claim it's all true if you want, but this guy is no more a hero than was the guy who shot John Lennon or the guy who shot Dr. Tiller.

Of course I'm prejudiced. I live in Texas. I used to work for the Department of State Health Services. They used to have an office in that same damn building.

This guy was just as much a suicide bomber as Abdullamatab wanted to be. He just drove the bomb himself.

Submitted by Anne on

just because we read a 6-page suicide note that we could ever come close to understanding the totality of this guy's life; I would venture to guess that not even the person who is preparing to end his own life could adequately explain himself if he had written 600 pages - that's what therapy is for!

Regardless of whether one thinks of this man as a terrorist or a garden-vareity nutcase with a need to make headlines, or someone far more complex, the truth is that within that six pages was an expression that no doubt resonated with a lot of people: the part about how us little people are just fodder for the giant soul- and money-sucking maw that this corporate-controlled country has become. Billions for banksters, bonuses to reward the people who got us into this mess; trillions for war, but nothing for health care or jobs.

I'm sorry this man did not get the help he so obviously needed, and I pray that others who are no doubt standing on their own mental and financial precipice will not follow his example.

Maybe there's something wrong with me that I feel more compassion for this man's mental anguish than I do contempt for whatever he thought he could or could not "get away with" during his life. I certainly don't condone that he endangered the lives of many, and ended up killing one.

No one can ever be known or completely understood by a six-page letter, so let's stop thinking it contains all the answers.

Submitted by lambert on

That being the question from Stack's letter.

And you may find yourself living in a shotgun shack
And you may find yourself in another part of the world
And you may find yourself behind the wheel of a large automobile
And you may find yourself in a beautiful house, with a beautiful wife
And you may ask yourself
Well...How did I get here?

Letting the days go by/let the water hold me down
Letting the days go by/water flowing underground
Into the blue again/after the money's gone
Once in a lifetime/water flowing underground.

And you may ask yourself
How do I work this?
And you may ask yourself
Where is that large automobile?
And you may tell yourself
This is not my beautiful house!
And you may tell yourself
This is not my beautiful wife!

Letting the days go by/let the water hold me down
Letting the days go by/water flowing underground
Into the blue again/after the money's gone
Once in a lifetime/water flowing underground.

Same as it ever was...Same as it ever was...Same as it ever was...
Same as it ever was...Same as it ever was...Same as it ever was...
Same as it ever was...Same as it ever was...

Submitted by Elliott Lake on

that building. Whose office was the one hit, and who lost a friend there. She had had him take the day off to help her, or he would be dead.

So, we're discussing the terra/not terra aspects, and the valid, if few, points in his screed, and the horror of what happened, and racism & assumptions.... we got no answers either, but I'm glad my friend's husband is alive.

Submitted by lambert on

... because of what, if this were one of our imperial wars, we would call "collateral damage."

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Submitted by Valley Girl on

I thought I would eventually figure out what "NV" means, by reading in context. But, no.

I guess I haven't been around Corrente long enough, or don't spend enough time on the internette.

So, I'm asking... ?

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Submitted by Valley Girl on

That makes sense.

I guess I was stuck in the " not voting" mind loop, and couldn't transition from that.

Submitted by regulararmyfool on

There are a lot of workers that were laid off last year that will receive most tax withheld from their pay in refunds.

I wonder what the number of jobless people there are who will owe taxes on April 15th and have no way to pay. There are going to be a lot of really pissed off people out there.

If I worked for the IRS, I'd start looking for another job as fast as possible.

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