Yet another attempt is being made to pass a FISA revision bill that will provide immunity for the telecoms against lawsuits for their part in illegal spying on American citizens. The cabal planning this maneuver expects to take their plot to both the House and Senate next week, where coalitions of Republicans and BlueDog Democrats could provide enough votes for passage.
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Update 3: NYT article and a blogger talks to Hoyer’s office
Update: More on the new FISA deal from The Hill and Glenn Greenwald. Text is down at the bottom.
Update 2: Congressional contact information list
House and Senate contact information
Representative Nancy Pelosi, Speaker’s Office Email
Senator Harry Reid Email
Senator Patrick Leahy, Chair Senate Judiciary Committee Email
Representative John Conyers, Chair House Judiciary Committee (accepts email only from constituents)
2426 Rayburn Building
Washington, DC 20515
(202) 225-5126
(202) 225-0072 Fax
Senator Barack Obama Email
Senator Hillary Clinton Email
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Tim Starks reports in Congressional Quarterly that Steny Hoyer D-Md, Sen. Christopher S. Bond , R-Mo and Jay Rockefeller D-W.Va., after several months of backdoor negotiations, have joined forces with the Bush administration and Congressional Republicans to assemble the bill, reported to contain a provision that will leave up to a Federal district court the question of whether or not telecom companies can be sued for FISA violations. The bill will stipulate the terms by which the court can make its ruling, and those provisions will ensure that the immunity is granted.
According to CQ the cabal of conspirators consists of:
The deal was hammered out Thursday night at a meeting that included Hoyer, Bond, Senate Intelligence Committee Chairman John D. Rockefeller IV , D-W.Va., House Minority Whip Roy Blunt , R-Mo., and representatives from the Bush administration.
The Deal
Details are leaking out, and without a formal announcement rumors are flying. While the new deal evolved from an earlier Bond/Hoyer proposal, according to CQ a House Democratic aide familiar with negotiations said there had been major changes. The Washington director of the American Civil Liberties Union, Caroline Fredrickson, said that sources have told the ACLU the deal would include a sunset after six years. The House Democratic aide disagreed, saying the sunset timetable was not six years but declined to state the length of time the law would remain in effect.
Christy Hardin Smith at FDL reports that Hoyer has put out the word that this is a “done deal” but there are other reports that as the cabal pulled their deal together they failed to run it past either John Conyers or Patrick Leahy, chairmen of the House and Senate Judiciary Committees respectively. That turf intrusion alone may doom any chance of even getting to the floor, much less passage.
Christy has also heard that Hoyer’s aggressive pushing on this deal has offended many House Democrats, and it is uncertain if he can get enough votes for passage over Pelosi’s objections. Christ asks, What’s in this for Steny? A good question, and I’ll come back to that below.
From the ACLU, via Christy:
This FISA deal looks like the unconstitutional Senate bill in sheep’s clothing. Whatever silk purse Hoyer tries to make of Bond’s sow’s ear and no matter how they try to sell it, the end result of all this negotiating will be exactly what the administration has wanted from the beginning - FISA rewritten to delete court oversight of surveillance and immunity for its pals at the telephone companies.
From the language we’ve seen, we’re back at square one, looking at a bill just like the old Senate bill that lacks meaningful judicial involvement. The Fourth Amendment requires prior and individual court review before the government digs into our private conversations. It is clear the next vote will be on a bill that fails this test – by permitting the government to conduct mass untargeted surveillance, sometimes without prior court review, and sometimes with prior court review – and then only when the government unilaterally decides that it is willing and able to answer to the judicial branch.
It is also clear that the deal is intentionally designed to grant immunity to companies that facilitated illegal wiretapping. If the only role for the court – be it District or a FISA court – is to determine whether the companies received a request from the Administration, and not to determine whether those requests were legal, it’s a sham review. The president has publicly acknowledged that the companies were repeatedly sent authorizations to turn over Americans phone calls and emails. It is absolutely guaranteed that current and future cases will never determine whether this administration and its friends in the telecom industry broke the law.
The ACLU urges Senators to vote against this deal if it is brought to a vote next week.
KagroX also has thoughts on the subject, mostly concluding that Hoyer has lost his influence with the Democratic caucus; I am not at all convinced that is so.
What’s in it for Steny?
Steny Hoyer wants to be Speaker of the House. He’s been scheming to get the job for years, and would like nothing more than to squeeze Pelosi aside. (Their rivalry goes back 40 years, to when he and Pelosi both clerked for Senator Daniel Brewster of Maryland. He ran against Pelosi for Party whip in 2002 and lost; her victory in that election propelled her to the Speaker’s job – the job Steny thinks should be his.) Hoyer is a favorite of the House BlueDogs, who sided with him against Pelosi’s wishes and elected him Majority Leader over John Murtha, her preferred candidate.
Among Hoyer’s many machinations is spreading the false notion that Democrats must steer far right on all matters of “national security” or risk being defeated at the polls by Republicans, and then sponsoring neocon-friendly legislation to meet that conjured need. His efforts to cobble together a new FISA bill – including completely inappropriate but BlueDog supported telecom immunity – are designed to provide that entirely unnecessary political cover. If the bill succeeds in passing, he will claim credit for securing the Democratic majorities and especially for giving cover to the BlueDogs; if it fails, they will still have been able to cast votes in favor to cover their right flank and he will still claim credit for doing his best to protect them.
Democrats are expected to pick up between 20 and 30 new House members this fall, most of them elected in “conservative” districts and expected to align with, if not formally join, the BlueDog Coalition. With these newfound allies, Hoyer may be powerful enough to oust Pelosi. Should Barack Obama fail to be elected President, there will be a substantial reassessment of the entire Democratic leadership and Hoyer’s chances will be further increased. Steny Hoyer wants to be Speaker; if he has to sell the constitutional rights of American citizens down the river to get what he wants, so be it.
FISA and Boumedienne v. Bush
The recent SCOTUS decision on habeas corpus, authored by Justice Anthony M. Kennedy for the majority, is one of the finest pieces of writing to come from the Supreme Court in many years. It is also the most significant single decision on the separation of powers to be rendered since at least Nixon, and the more I read it the more impressed I am at both its assertive definitiveness and its breathtaking scope. Judgements of such power and impact on constitutional structure do not happen often; this one should be widely read and, as Leah aptly notes, celebrated. In this ruling, Marbury v. Madison is affirmed with a vengeance.
Here’s Chief Justice
John Marshal in 1803:
It is emphatically the province and duty of the judicial department to say what the law is. Those who apply the rule to particular cases, must of necessity expound and interpret that rule. If two laws conflict with each other, the courts must decide on the operation of each.
And here is Justice Kennedy, 205 years on:
Our basic charter cannot be contracted away like this [by claiming the US has no sovereignty over Guantanamo because it is Cuban territory only occupied by lease]. The Constitution grants Congress and the President the power to acquire, dispose of, and govern territory, not the power to decide when and where its terms apply. Even when the United States acts outside its borders, its powers are not “absolute and unlimited” but are subject “to such restrictions as are expressed in the Constitution.” Murphy v. Ramsey, 114 U. S. 15, 44 (1885). Abstaining from questions involving formal sovereignty and territorial governance is one thing. To hold the political branches have the power to switch the Constitution on or off at will is quite another. The former position reflects this Court’s recognition that certain matters requiring political judgments are best left to the political branches. The latter would permit a striking anomaly in our tripartite system of government, leading to a regime in which Congress and the President, not this Court, say “what the law is.” Marbury v. Madison, 1 Cranch 137, 177 (1803).
-snip-
These concerns have particular bearing upon the Suspension Clause question in the cases now before us, for the writ of habeas corpus is itself an indispensable mechanism for monitoring the separation of powers. The test for determining the scope of this provision must not be subject to manipulation by those whose power it is designed to restrain. [emphasis added]
SCOTUS decisions are usually very narrowly written and carefully circumscribed. Someone as intelligent and cautious as Kennedy could not possibly have been unaware of the impact of the words he has chosen, insisting that the Court’s judicial authority must not be constrained to a simple review of whether (1) standards and procedures developed by an executive agency are lawful and (2) whether those standards were followed. That constraint of the power of the courts under the Detainee Treatment Act of 2005 and Military Commissions Act of 2006 is for Kennedy the very heart of the issue:
The Court of Appeals has jurisdiction not to inquire into the legality of the detention generally but only to assess whether the CSRT [Combatant Status Review Tribunal ] complied with the “standards and procedures specified by the Secretary of Defense” and whether those standards and procedures are lawful.
Kennedy then, speaking for the Court, reasserts Marbury and commands full control of the judicial process including the authority to judge the evidence accumulated by the executive in support of it’s administrative decisions along with any additional exculpatory evidence the court deems proper:
For the writ of habeas corpus, or its substitute, to function as an effective and proper remedy in this context, the court that conducts the habeas proceeding must have the means to correct errors that occurred during the CSRT proceedings. This includes some authority to assess the sufficiency of the Government’s evidence against the detainee. It also must have the authority to admit and consider relevant exculpatory evidence that was not introduced during the earlier proceeding.
The Court thus rejects, without equivocation, any claim that either Congress or the Executive or the two of them in collusion can restrict the power of the judiciary to inquire into any and all evidence regarding a case at hand and further asserts that the courts, and the courts alone, may decide on the meaning and applicability of all laws.
This is potentially a critical assertion in regards to both the pending Protect America Act that Steny and his buddies are pushing, and more importantly the entire FISA structure itself. Boumedienne rejects the notion that Congress can circumscribe the role of the courts in reviewing the execution of a plan implemented by the executive branch, exactly what is being plotted by Steny and Friends. Again, per Christy Hardin Smith’s ACLU sources:
Whatever silk purse Hoyer tries to make of Bond’s sow’s ear and no matter how they try to sell it, the end result of all this negotiating will be exactly what the administration has wanted from the beginning - FISA rewritten to delete court oversight of surveillance and immunity for its pals at the telephone companies.
Even the current FISA process, where the administration decides what evidence to provide and the FISC [Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court] has no power to ask for more or to even review the subsequently collected wiretaps and decide if the original ruling was correct, fails Boumedienne. Consider again this declaration from Kennedy of what is unacceptable:
The Court of Appeals has jurisdiction not to inquire into the legality of the detention generally but only to assess whether the CSRT complied with the “standards and procedures specified by the Secretary of Defense….
and substitute FISA, as Marcy at empywheel suggests:
The FISC has jurisdiction not to inquire into the legality of the wiretap program generally, but only to assess whether the government complied with the “standards and procedures specified by the Attorney General….
With Kennedy’s wording, the Supreme Court has put the Congress and the Executive on notice that no concern, however frighteningly phrased, is sufficient to overthrow the terms of the Constitution. What makes this turn of events even sweeter is that the Court’s position rests on a starkly conservative philosophy; no clearer interpretation of Founder’s Intent is possible.
That the Bush Administration’s polices towards suspension of habeas corpus are unconstitutional is no longer open to debate. The same ruling also directly challenges the constitutionality of the pending Protect America Act provisions for both expanded wiretapping and telecom immunity, and even puts existing secretive and judicially compromised FISA procedures in significant jeopardy.
Cause for celebration, indeed.
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Update: The Hill confirms the report at CQ about Steney and Jay’s little deal with the Republicans. Their story includes this quote:
Shana Marchio, spokeswoman for Bond, said that Thursday’s negotiations marked the fourth round of talks between her boss, Hoyer and Blunt. She said this meeting also included Rockefeller, staff for House committees, the White House and the intelligence community.
The mention of “staff for House committees” suggests greater involvement for Conyers than reported at emptywheel, although which “House committees” were involved in the negotiations is not specified.
Glen Greenwald writes about the deal here (Item 3), promising more tomorrow (6/15). He says:
Specifically, Democratic Congressional leaders (i.e., Steny Hoyer, Nancy Pelosi and Silvestre Reyes) have now reached agreement with the White House and the GOP to pass a FISA bill that would give the President, in essence, everything he wants: guaranteed dismissal of the telecom lawsuits and vast new warrantless eavesdropping powers.
But Greenwald’s only references are the Hill and CQ stories, which don’t make those claims. The Hill is more circumspect about how far along things have progressed:
But aides said the deal is not final because negotiators have to vet the language within their respective caucuses. One person familiar with the talks said if there are no major objections, the deal could be announced next week.










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local bloggers
I am very disappointed with local bloggers neither MD nor WV bloggers have said anything about this.
Justice Kennedy Appears To Have Had Enough
A majestic post, Bringiton, worthy of the decision.
Seems to me we should be putting out a call to our own readers and to our fellow liberal bloggers to get on the phone on Monday and start calling Reid’s office, Pelosi’s, forget about Hoyer, he obviously doesn’t care what the Democratic base thinks - concentrate on the committees involved, send emails, make calls to the staff - the number of contacts made are what matter here, volume - they overwhelming so that they can’t not be noticed. And while we’re at it - what about the Obama campaign; he is still a Senator. And what about Hillary, so is she? Even if they are not on the specific committees, and I don’t believe they are, they can stand up and make a fuss, a real fuss.
One of my personal despairs about the blogisphere is that we haven’t found a way to organize blogs so that together we can have at the ready between 25 and 50 thousand people committed to make these kinds of calls to congress asap, along with some way to check and be able to tell how many calls/contacts were generated, so we can report that back to the cadre, which is an excellent way to keep the motivation up; people need to know that what they are doing is being counted.
What I can’t figure out - politically this makes no sense; on thing Americans hate if the idea of big brother, and that goes for conservative Democrats, too.
Where's Obama?
Re: FISA, where’s Obama?
Given how telecom immunity was probably the biggest issue in the parts of the blogosphere that were assimililated by the Obots, you’d think they’d be going crazy, demanding that Dear Leader put a stop to this…
but all I hear is crickets when it comes to FISA and Obama…
Are Rockefeller and Hoyer willing to undercut their prez nom???
Obama has stated that he is strongly against telco immunity and other provisions of the new FISA legislation. Will these leading Dems, one of them a major early Senate supporter of Obama, kneecap him? As Sam Nunn did to Clinton on gays in the military, but this time prior to his actual election?
Of course, my questions presuppose that Obama actually believes in the stand he has verbally expressed. He said he would support Dodd’s filibuster—but it never actually came to a filibuster. So, what will Obama do?
What Will Obama Do? WWOD—that’s my major question about Barack Obama, previously as a primary candidate and now as the presumptive Dem nominee.
How meaningful are his words? “Just words”? Or real convictions upon which he will act?
What are the odds?
And, no, I have not “seen the light.”
DCCC
forget about Hoyer, he obviously doesn’t care what the Democratic base thinks
I wouldn’t be so sure about that. In anycase might make sense to send email to DCCC telling them it doesn’t make sense for us to work for a Dem congress if they won’t protect the Bill of Rights
info@dccc.org
Simple answers to simple questions
jawbone writes:
Yes.
In fact, I would argue it’s central to the point of supporting Obama over other candidates.
That would be a job for PB 2.0
Eh?
[x] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.
Slapping Joe Lieberman is good...
… because slapping Joe Lieberman is always good, but Obama leading on FISA, and slapping around Jello Jay — eew, Jello all over everything — would be great. Might move me from tepid to lukewarm.
I’ll call my shot, though, as an early test of my larger called shot that Obama plans to govern from the center right: Obama won’t do anything at all on this issue. He wants the Blue Dogs, and if throwing the Fourth Amendment and loyal supporter Pelosi under the bus is what it takes to do that, that is what he will do.
[x] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.
We shall see, in in a short time
This should not be a hard call…
[x] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.
Well, interesting!
Apparently — though last I checked, Hoyer was going to kick the can on this down the road to August — we’ll know very soon, and we’ll have a very good leading indicator. As I said above, I wouldn’t mind shifting from tepid to lukewarm.
We could think of this as Obama’s first actual policy test, since not merely as a Senator, but as the presumptive Presidential nominee as well as, to some, a moral exemplar, he has a lot of leverage on this.
[x] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.
He will do nothing
First of all, he doesn’t care that much about the issue. He was pressed into opposing surveillance deregulation by other candidates (mostly Dodd, and Dodd because the netroots pushed him into doing it).
Second, he doesn’t support anything that risks anything for him. There’s nothing but downsides as far as he’s concerned for getting in the way of Hoyer and the Blue Dogs. And anyone who opposes surveillance deregulation has to vote for him anyway, whatcha gonna do, vote McCain?
As far as Hoyer and Rockefeller are concerned, supporting Obama means they have an easily manipulated and easily intimidated presidential candidate who will let them get away with whatever they want. Other candidates, with more experience, would not be as easy to betray and control.
Lambert, is that the part
where you rush into a phonebooth and emerged in a very tight and revealing and coloful suit, with a big PB2.0 logo on your chest and fly off to fight disinformation with your virulent critique rays? :-)
Update on top of post with Congress contact information
Have at ’em. Anyone wants Hoyer’s info, use the House/Senate contact link and click on MD.
Polite, please.
more Greenwald--
“The lawlessness, excesses and civil liberties abuses of the last seven years began as secret Republican initiatives but are ending up as fully bipartisan policies, with the Republican and Democratic Party establishments sharing roughly equal responsibility for all of it. It may be unpleasant to have to accept that but it is nonetheless true. …
The Democratic Party’s embrace of the most radical and lawless aspects of the Bush administration will, by most accounts, be complete this week. The putative “compromise” that Congressional Democrats have agreed to with regard to spying powers and telecom amnesty is no such thing. …”
— http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2…
Updates on telecom immunity deal
Update 3: The NYTimes has an article today, by Carl Hulse in The Caucus, discussing some of the process but still without definitive details. Sorting through all the rumors, it appears that the “compromise” will punt the issue of telecom immunity off to Federal district courts, allowing both Republicans and Democrats to evade responsibility for whatever evolves.
From the quotes here, seems little doubt that there is a strong desire to get this out of Congress and done with as a campaign issue. If true, it appears to be a horrible move by the Democrats.
Pelosi:
Reid:
Additionally, a blogger demonstrates how not to make a complaint. Seriously, being abusive to the people who answer the phones just isn’t appropriate. Save it for something sent to Hoyer directly; use the link at the top of the Page under Update 2 and vent right straight at him, if you wish.
Yes, Why Would The Democrats Want To Make
illegal spying on Americans by Republicans a campaign issue?
The scary part is not just that they’ve swallowed the media bullshit about Hillary Clinton, they’ve swallowed it about the party as a whole. Must give in to Republicans or look weak on terror or something.
It won’t hurt with efforts to pay for that incredibly expensive Democratic Convention either.
little white lies
[or not]
back when i was sending [not always polite, i admit it] antiwar emails to congress, i ran into that only accepts emails from constituents.
what i did was look up zip codes in those districts and entered them in the required fields to get past that filter, then started my message with something like i’m not one of your constituents, but because you are a member of ____________ subcommittee, …
some zip+4 codes that will get past the filter for conyers’ email should anybody want to go that route —
48212 - 2677 [HAMTRAMCK MI]
48101 - 2033 [ALLEN PARK MI]
48183 - 1224 [TRENTON MI]
48195 - 3741 [SOUTHGATE MI]
48203 - 2563 [HIGHLAND PARK MI]