if they won't even discuss it.

Funny how they want all Democrats to stand in Unity now that the precious is getting a taste of what lies ahead for him.

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That's also how you know she won. Discredit the format. Discredit the victor.

"refuse to mention it"

That's what they did with Hillary's landslide victory in Florida. They ignored it.

That's also what the media did to John Edwards' whole campaign.

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LOVE that signuature line! :-)

time to call the BLOGGERS ETHICS PANEL to order...

how many people who signed that letter are Obama supporters?

Just askin??

**from a quick visual inspection, several are.

How many are Hillary supporters? Offhand, I don't see any...

I don't have time to run a search, though...

[x] Any (D) in the general. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

Yes, didn't Joe Conason write a freaking book defending Obama? He hates Hillary.

Seriously, isn't it possible, just possible, that some people, even Hillary supporters, can take the long view and recognize that the deplorable nature of the debate is more important than which Democrat appeared to do better? That whoever "won" is more likely than not going to face the same treatment in the GE and attacking the tactics now is of paramount importance?

then we'll help.

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can take the long view and recognize that the deplorable nature of the debate is more important than which Democrat appeared to do better?

Oh, if only those silly Boiz had taken the long view back in October, instead of chortling with glee that the unfairness that benefited their candidate(s).

Tough shit, you want to win this by yourselves, you can take on the media by yourselves. Maybe next time you'll listen to your mothers.

Bill Clinton for First Dude!!!

...according to the Gallup daily tracking poll.
This is why Howard Dean is freaking out and why Obama doesn't want to do any more debates.
Obama is just like Bush in that his narcissism feeds off of the crowd adulation. But put him in a sterile debate situation with no adoring fans and he's flat and boring. There's none of that booming voice, platitudes, sloganeering and street gestures.
Like I always say, he's the left-wing version of Bush and the sad thing is that Bush was actually more qualified to be CIC. That alone should scare the crap out of sentient beings.

short-lived television show?

when he had a live audience instead of screened dittoheads (who could be instantly cut-off) he flopped like a bad comedian.

Same song - different verse.

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So, in one critical respect he's not like Bush.

[x] Any (D) in the general. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

And I think people didn't like what they saw in the debate.

Which is why the Boiz are changing the subject, eh?

[x] Any (D) in the general. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

media interview before Wednesday night?

Not that Wednesday was that hostile - more like "not deferential"

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Via Turkana at Left Coaster:

Viewership of the debate peaked between 8:30 and 9 p.m. with 11.8 million viewers, topping the “reality” fare of “Deal or No Deal” on NBC and “Big Brother” on CBS. The broadcast faced stiffer competition at 9 p.m. when “American Idol” appeared on Fox and netted 22.7 million viewers. Still, ABC averaged over 10 million viewers in the second hour of the debate.

I guess people do want to watch debates.

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Rezko/Chicago journalist thing...

'C'mon guys. I answered like eight questions.'

I'm guessing a sitdown with those folks, at this point, might be even 'nastier' than the debate was.

That's what the leftysphere's media critique was about. It's, for example, why I wrote on occasion about how unfair Hillary was being treated, when I was an active Edwards supporter.

But then the fawning adulation of Obama kicked in, it "justified" the brutish, often blatantly misogynistic behavior we've come to know so well, and the media suddenly got a free pass... as long as it was giving one to Obama, in turn.

How many times have we seen someone point out a subtle dig or put-down by Obama towards Hillary, only to be told we were delusional?

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It’s, for example, why I wrote on occasion about how unfair Hillary was being treated, when I was an active Edwards supporter.

When I was a Dean supporter, the fact that the media -- and then a good portion of the D.C. Democrats -- piled on him, completely unfairly, it didn't stop me from defending Kerry during the swift-boating. When I was an Edwards supporter, I stood up for Hillary against Matthews' bullshit. And I stood up for Obama when I felt that he was being treated unfairly. The fact that both Hillary and Obama were perfectly willing to benefit from the media blackout on Edwards without coming to his defense did not stop me from seeing the bigger picture later on.

My willingness to fight against media outrages supersedes my loyalty to any single politician. And it honestly pisses me off to read these bitter, "I'm taking my ball and going home" comments from Hillary supporters. ABC/Disney executives hate your fucking guts. Try thinking beyond the next media cycle.

I never get the sense from Hillary supporters that there is ANYTHING more important than Hillary winning. It is absolutely terrible for Obama to repeat RW frames (and it is). But when ABC does it and it (allegedly) helps Clinton? Fantastic!

So what if Joe Conason wrote a book detailing the RW assault on the Clintons during the 90s? He's taking his eye off the ball by complaining about media bias. Fuck you, Joe, what have you done for me lately?

"It's really a shame that Hillary is so often poorly served by her supporters. She deserves better." -- Lambert Strether, November 27, 2007.

extensive ones, and ones that point to corrupt associates as undesirable chores.

I never get the sense from Hillary supporters that there is ANYTHING more important than Hillary winning.

I never get the sense from Obama supporters that there is ANYTHING more important than Obama winning.

Bill Clinton for First Dude!!!

Fix your ital.

[x] Any (D) in the general. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

I was an Edwards supporter since he announced, hoping, but not optimistic, that Gore would enter the race.

I initially thought well of Obama, but was slowly turned off by all the hero worship, the lack of policy detail, and his bizarre decisions to attack people like Paul Krugman.

I also didn't like his strategy of ignoring the netroots and trying to create his own parallel-grassroots internet community. (Contrary to the revisionist history of the Hillary followers, the blogosphere was largely lukewarm to Obama until Edwards and Kucinich dropped out).

Having said all that, if Hillary supporters are trying to convince this progressive that they can be just as annoying, irrational, and thin-skinned as the OFB...mission accomplished.

I suck.

As far as I'm concerned Obama is a fake and his supporters (except for black voters who are understandably voting Favorite Son) are dupes, and nominating him will be a disastrous mistake.

And at this point I'm frankly not open to arguments to the contrary. There is only one thing that can convince me my judgement of Obama is mistaken: if he wins the WH and is a successful LIBERAL President. In which case I will be very very happy to have been proven wrong. But til then, as long as there is any chance to keep this (imo) Democratic version of W. from the nomination, I'll support Hillary.

ANYTHING more important than Hillary winning."

That's because Hillary is The One, the us that finally lets us be our ussiest. At long last we have a reason to be proud of our country, those of us who never had a reason to vote before. She's a movement, the magic-water vessel for all of our hopes and dreams for change, unity, and ponies. Why do you hate magic water?

or attacking another as love or enthusiastic support for the one not being attacked.

i really really really want edwards back.

"...and the look in her eyes was worth 1000 words". "She is not the Word made flesh, but the triumph of word over flesh"; a boddisattva. When I see her, I'm so filled with joy that the tears start running down my cheeks.

[Reach me that bucket, wouldja, hon?]

Just riffing on VL's comment above, but seriously, I can't speak for anyone else but me, but I am well aware Hillary has flaws; big ones. She's human, not an icon of religious devotion. (We have plenty of those already, thank you.) I'm voting for her because I think she's a better candidate.*

NOTE * And also because I won't reward the vile misogny of the Obama campaign.

[x] Any (D) in the general. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

Campaigns are supposed to winnow out the weak and unfit.

There is nothing that says you have to jump in and defend your opponent from unfair attacks. Have you ever seen an athlete argue with a referee to say "Oh no, I stepped out of bounds, the catch was no good?"

But what goes around, comes around. Don't whine when it's your turn in the barrel.

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many have warning Obama's supporters of all along--and we've been ignored.

There’s none of that booming voice, platitudes, sloganeering and street gestures.

or the applause. I think Obama is so used to hearing applause when he gives one of his applause lines it throws him off -- especially his timing. Hillary is much better at debates because her speeches are about her policies -- they aren't a pep rally, and while she certainly has "applause lines", they function as a "paragraph break" --

for Obama, applause lines are commas.

They applauded when he blew his nose. They would probably cheer if he farted.

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; >

>i really really really want edwards back.

As an Edwards fan that's another thing I hold against Obama-if he hadn't run we would have had a real liberal/centrist debate in the party instead of a fake liberal/centrist debate.

he had the best policies by far--and southern dems actually win, too.

on the debate. Everyone concerns how terrible it was, none say Hillary won.

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Here.

[x] Any (D) in the general. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

"Many journalists are not merely observers but participants in the Obama phenomenon." -- this is surprising from them.

"... Wherever the line, it is clear that the profession collectively has stepped over it—based as much on what it hasn’t covered as what it has. ...
it is indisputable that if Clinton was facing similar questions they would be the subject of constant and all-consuming coverage. There is an obvious double-standard. ...
Obama benefits also from probably the strongest bias of traditional, old media reporters: Against partisan combat and for a brand of politics that would transcend differences in favor of cooperation and centrism on elite issues like entitlement reform. Many of these reporters see Clinton representing bad, angry, contrived old politics and Obama bravely leading the way for good, civil, authentic new politics. ..."

recommend it at yahoo, everyone.