Torture works!
The credit crunch also sent [note lack of agency] some of the nation's largest employers to Capitol Hill to twist lawmakers' arms. They hope that the House will follow the Senate's lead and pass the controversial Wall Street rescue package on Friday. The House rejected the measure on Monday, 228-205.
"Microsoft strongly urges members of the U.S. House of Representatives to reconsider and to support legislation that will re-instill confidence and stability [note lack of agency] in the financial markets," said Brad Smith, the Redmond, Wash., software giant's general counsel, in an e-mail to lawmakers. "This legislation is vitally important to the health and preservation of jobs [note lack of agency] in all sectors of the economy of Washington State and the nation, and we urge Congress to act swiftly."
Forest-products giant Weyerhaeuser Co. told lawmakers in an e-mail that failure to approve the bill would threaten the broader economy.
"The current tight credit market [note lack of agency] is a significant barrier to functioning capital markets, new home construction and capital intensive businesses," wrote Heidi Biggs Brock, a company vice president. "This further aggravates the impacts of the already depressed housing market which is a significant market for Weyerhaeuser — from timberlands and residential wood products businesses to our homebuilding companies."
Corporate titans weren't the only ones pressing lawmakers. Dyke Messinger, CEO of Power Curbers Inc., told reporters near the Capitol that he'd laid off two thirds of his work force at a machinery manufacturing plant in Salisbury, N.C., because of the credit crisis.
"We don't have the work because our American customers can't get the credit [note lack of agency] to buy our construction machinery," Messinger said.
And giving Hank Paulson's golfing buddies $700 billion solves this problem how? Nobody can explain, except by shouting "confidence" and waving their hands. But if the giveaway were going to work, it would already have worked, as Stirling points out:
The Break the glass plan is being greeted with jeers by actual investors, even as virtually every political elite perjures himself to pass it.
Yeppers.
If you were a banker, and you could get the government you own to give you a trillion dollars, no strings attached, wouldn't that be worth inflicting a little pain on other people?
The question answers itself. And one reason it answers itself is the dog that isn't barking in the night: Why the "credit crunch" is happening now, and how the trillion will stop it. I'd argue the only "why" is "because they can," and the only "how" because we gave the torturers what they want.
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Thanks!
Even I am not immune.
[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.
"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mahatma Gandhi
"Power Curbers, Inc"
Alas, not of the sort we need.
Some might say it's not the sort of "Dyke Messinger" we need, either, but that's a local matter.
NYTimes article finds smoking gun/root cause for Big $hit Pile?
Heard discussion on WNYC of NYTimes front page article about SEC decision taken in 2004 which permitted higher leverage ratios (Heh, I typoed "rations," which also works) for the Big Banker Boiz.
See, they knew even back then the name would be Big Me$$!
It's 3 NYTimes web site pages, but they're chockablock with interesting (alarming, telling, scarifying, should be nullifying the Paulson Fix Is In) details.
And for this they deserve $Billions--$Trillions??
If House reps haven't read this they should prior to voting. Bizarro World, brought to you by Repubs in Power and Blind Faith in the Magic Hand of the Market.
There's an audio link of the meeting at the Times article site.
This could be a post, jawbone
And if you want bonus points, find that computer and risk analysis guy in Indiana and point to his work. That would really help with the "Nobody could have predicted..." talking point...
[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.
"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mahatma Gandhi
leonard bole, computer guy in indiana
this is the only link i found on the computer guy in indiana --
Here's the letter Leonard D. Bole sent to the SEC, 1/22/04--
HTML version. Has some econ terms I'm not familiar with--any econ types who can read to see if there's more there than the quotes from the NYTimes?
var, cse, front page posting [for jawbone]
[the first attempt to submit this comment seems to have evaporated into the ehter. apologies if it somehow shows up twice after all]
posting to your blog / the front page [from the correntewire operating manual]
Voila! You have just posted to the front page! easy as pie! [actually, if you want to know the truth, i did my first few posts at 3am so nobody, well hardly anybody, could see that it took me, like, 5 tries to get it right.] you can always go back later and add in tags, departments, threads, etc, if you want to, but you don't have to do any of those if you don't want to.
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i found this to be the best overall description of the regulation that the commission came up with back in april 2004. nb: 'holding company' = cse = 'consolidated supervised entity'.
i like investopedia's description of var; here's more at wikipedia.
gee, whodathunkit, but maybe the cse program was a stupid idea after all.
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i'll take a stab at describing what it looks like to me, but first a couple of disclaimers: 1. what i know about risk analysis could dance on the head of a pin alongside the angels, and 2. what little mathematical modeling i've done has been in obscure little corners of chemistry and physics, and i haven't even done any actual math in years -- nowadays i just plug numbers into the computer and i only have to know enough about the real world to decide if the computer is giving me a stupid answer or not.
i listened to the hearing you linked to, paying attention mostly to just the two times they talked about models. apparently the old rule was that if broker-dealers wanted to use statistical models [presumably to calculate their own capital requirements, rather than let the sec tell them how much capital they had to keep on hand], they had to get them approved first, and had to show the actual models they wanted to use. apparently [and this is another guess on my part], broker-dealers preferred keeping their particular models secret, and in exchange for this, they were willing to consent to increased oversight [broker-dealers and affiliates would join together under a few holding companies, and those holding companies would be subject to regulation].
so, anyhoo, the broker-dealers wanted to essentially use black boxes to calculate how risky their deals were and how much cash they had to keep on hand to cover those deals -- and nyah nyah nyah to the sec for trying to tell them how much capital to keep on hand.
at the same time, changing to the cse/holding company way of organization/regulation fell in line with the way their counterparts in the e.u. financial markets were organized and regulated -- and wah! it's unfair for american companies participating in foreign markets to be required to follow both european regulations and american regulations! this is poppycock, of course, bole points out that multinationals follow mutiple countries' laws and regs all the time [yes, it does cost a bit more to do so].
the american regulations at that time included requiring broker-dealers and/or their holding companies to keep a certain amount of capital on hand. all that lovely capital just sitting around in case something crashed, instead of out working in the marketplace, was anathema to our traders.
leonard bole's argument is that while var calculations are widely used in risk management, they're inadequate for prediction in the case of catastrophic occurences [100-year floods if we're talking climate; black monday 1987 if we're talking stock markets; etc]. he seems ok with the change to a european-style cse structure, but only so long as the regulators continue to be the ones who decide how much capital the traders need to keep on hand -- NOT relying on the traders' estimations of their own risks in making that decision. he points to the failed company long term capital management as his case in point: their var calculations were obviously flawed.
bole's closing paragraph --
but could the securities and exchange commission be bothered to listen to leonard cassandra bole? heck no! there's money to be made!
argh!
i tried twice to reply here, but something eated it, so i sent you an email. might need to look for it in your spam folder.
I unspammed it
Sometimes that filter is a little overzealous, sorry.
thanks
any possibility that a message could come up saying 'your comment has been sent to the moderation queue' when that happens? right now there's no way to tell if a comment is in moderation or it got eaten by goblins.
Under "Who knew?" place Cox--who took proactive steps to make
oversight more difficult.
From the NYTimes article:
Re: front paging--I have no idea how things are front paged (through the diaries section?), plus I have to leave now for RL stuff. Will be back later or this evening. If someone wants to put it up front, please do so. If so, might want to add the Cox stuff. And, yes, getting input from the "software developer" would be great. There's also an article, in the NYTimes, I think, over the weekend that was mentioned which I haven't had time to track down.
A discussion of the articles on WNYC can be heard here later today.
Now, gotta run, for real.
I fear we've run out of time to influence the House. But, if they haven't heard of this NYTimes front page bombshell, they or their staffs are, well, missing important input. Or crazy. Or dump like fox.
Hostage Crisis
Years ago, I had the pleasure of hearing the former hostage Terry Anderson speak. One of the things he talked about was how much he owed to his sister for putting constant pressure on the government to keep working for his release, to keep him from being forgotten. As part of this effort, his sister went in often to speak with Lt. Col. Oliver North and demand the Reagan Administration DO SOMETHING! Later, of course, the news would break that one of the things the Reagan Administration did was Iran-Contra.* When Mr. Anderson's sister found out, she told Oliver North, "when I said do something, I didn't mean do something STUPID!"
I'm sure most Americans want Congress to do something. I want them to do something. But I don't want them to do something stupid. This is stupid.
* I realize that the Reagan Administration had many other reasons beyond the hostages to do the Iran-Contra stuff and Anderson was a very bright guy who I'm sure understood that too, but Anderson was speaking about it within the context of his being held hostage.
"Do what you feel in your heart to be right -- for you'll be criticized anyway. You'll be damned if you do, and damned if you don't. " - Eleanor Roosevelt
Jawbone, that should be a post on the front page. Lambert, yes?
I love this job!
I love this job!
Worth a post
Posts go on the front page until de-front-paged. As Mandos just discovered. So make them good!
[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.
"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mahatma Gandhi
View from London Banker posted at Roubini's blog--He sees
Paulson's role for the Big Banker Boiz as simlilar to that of Cheney for Halliburton and Blackwater--ensuring increased profits and, now, survival.
Posted at RGE Monitor, the home blog of Nouriel Roubini, this tells it like it is about Paulson's Fix (Is In) and the Big $h*t Pile, now exploding into the Big Me$$.
Read the whole thing; it's searing.
Post this, please not just comment!
Please, feel free to use the Hank Paulson and His Merry Banksters riffs. Needs to be post so people link, goes in RSS feeds, etc. Come on!
[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.
"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mahatma Gandhi
Lambert--HOW? Are there instructions somewhere?
I've looked around the blog topics on top of page---nothing that's meaningful to me.
If you want, email me at cat dot jones at yahoo dot com.
Thanks much!
Tonight the NYTimes article was discussed in great segment by Bill Moyers and guest, Emma Coleman Jordan, a lawyer (must be business law). She found it "bone chilling." Which it is.
More and more this is looking like something which demands Congressional and perhaps criminal investigation.
Over at Moon of AL, some commenters are seeing this as part of a BushCo plan to exert "emergency powers" to stay in power....
Thnx for reply and how-to.
Check your mail
And I'd love to hear about the Moyers show as well.
[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.
"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mahatma Gandhi
L-Nothing at Yahoo email--did you put the dot between cat and
jones? Checking out soon for, like, sleep
Coleman on Moyers said that the Big Banker Boiz were "coercive," meaning just what we have been saying it means.
They're not only getting too big to fail, but too big to resist and control. Paulson's Fix is in creasing the concentration. I'm waiting for transcript.
The dot is there, yes
I'll send it again. Check your spam filter. Or maybe the NSA is processing it more slowly than usual.
[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.
"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mahatma Gandhi