For four years I went to Daily Kos, well, daily. Then he lost his mind (or revealed his true self) and I will never go there again. Ditto TPWKJM and Matt Y. and several other sites of what I had thought was our Reality Based Community. That has been the most depressing part of this primary season-the ethical collapse of so many "liberal" bloggers.

I came here for the wire's take on moveongate. Are you planning on joining HRC in denouncing the Democratic activist base. I s'pose this little post is going to garner me a somewhat deserved troll-rating but it's worth it.

Cap'n John Brown

A clown and a pony are walking across a cemetery late one night. The pony starts crying.

"Why are you crying?" the clown asks.

"Because it's dark and scary" said the pony.

"What are you complaining about?" says the clown, "I've got to walk back alone."

*modified for the overly-PC
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Lord Kos read me out of the party. So I have no right to comment on moveongate, whatever the fuck that is.

We don't have troll ratings here, and commenters are only rarely banned. We think of trolls as being rather like a herpes infection, if you know what I'm talking about, and I'm sure you do: The best remedy is sunlight, and the infection dries up and blows away.

Hey, come on. You can be honest. Do you really "hate" to be off topic?

[x] Any (D) in the general. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

already in progress, but I'm kind of excited that I'm breaking news here. If you're willing to hold your nose and make a quick visit to the Huffington Post, check this out: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/celeste-fr...

Cap'n John Brown

why have they given up issues, in favor of candidates?

why are they supporting a "postpartisan" nonfighter when their entire existence is about fighting for things?

Well, Captain, you're certainly easily excited. But let me give you a clue -- linking to an HuffPo story is not "breaking news." Let me guess... The self-aggrandizement... The useless content... The thread hijacking... You're a member of the Obama Fan Base, right? The word "honestly" is a dead giveaway, too... Tell Axelrod he's got to do better, wouldja?

[x] Any (D) in the general. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

after she, unlike Senator Obama, voted against the bill to censure MoveOn re: the Petraeus/Betrayus ad.

I doubt she'll lose many votes criticizing them, they already hate her.

She's criticized the GOP too.

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Sounds like Tweety to me. Is that you, Chris?

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Will there ever be a point at which you acknowledge that Obama better embodies the liberal values that this blog supposedly promotes than Clinton does? What have you got against him other than that he wants people who make six figures to pay as much FICA as people who make less than six figures and he doesn't think it makes sense to start with a mandate on health insurance?

I'm sorry I was being self-aggrandizing, something about your initial response somehow gave me the impression you hadn't heard about this story.

Cap'n John Brown

The way he slobbers when he talks reminds me more of Sylvester.

Cap'n John Brown

Will there ever be a point at which you acknowledge that Obama better embodies the liberal values that this blog supposedly promotes than Clinton does?

No.

Of course, like anyone at Corrente, I am speaking for myself. There's no official opinion here.

the "out of the mainstream" thing which helps her.

MoveOn made it to Congress and is seen by the media as some weird radical lefty thing, sadly.

Which makes the whole endorsement even more wrong--he refuses to even use the word liberal and trashes labels, and denigrates all partisans.

Here.

Oh wait! You're going to tell us to look at his website.

[x] Any (D) in the general. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

and Obama's policies on all domestic issues are either weaker than Clinton's or to the right of her--and she's centrist too.

Mandates are essential--and he says they are for kids, but not for adults--the pool has to be enormous for costs to be contained.

and Health care is a basic need the govt must supply (like all civilized countries do)--something the majority of americans want (and will pay more taxes for too) but Obama doesn't. He talks big, but proposes weak. He's no liberal.

Would you call Bill Clinton a liberal? He ran on real universal healthcare--why can't Obama go there?

I think I'm going to go put my head in a bucket of water. It's been a long day.

[x] Any (D) in the general. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

liberals know that the problem with DC isn't partisanship or fighting or a lack of "unity" --it's Republicans using govt to only help the rich, and ignoring our laws and constitution, and starving social services and infrastructure and ....

(today's new person day, i guess) : >

; >

I think I see where you guys are at. I'm going to go find out if Big Tent Democrat and Jeralyn over at talk left have seen the light yet.

Cap'n John Brown

there has been exactly one Democrat who won two terms of office in the White House. 60+ years, 1 person.

Your candidate has done nothing but diss Bill Clinton, while praising Republicans. He has recycled GOP talking points to use against Hillary. He is an empty book. Voting for him is buying a pig in a poke.

Even worse, your fellow OFB's want to trash Bill's legacy and drum both Clintons out of the party!

If Obama can't respect his elders, he should learn to respect his betters. That's not a racial slur. Obama will never measure up to the Big Dawg or Hillary. He should be embarrassed by the way Hillary has beaten him in every single debate.

If his ego wasn't overinflated, he would be.

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as much as you have impressed people here.

Obama lasted 45 minutes.

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No post on the topic at Talk Left yet. Mxyzptlk my questions for you as a card carrying Clinton Dead Ender is "when you finally can no longer avoid acceptance of the fact that Obama will be the Democratic nominee, what are you going to do?"

Cap'n John Brown

I will vote for the Democrat next November.

BTW - I'll "accept" that Obama is the nominee when he wins.

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... it flares up again!

You think that's why Obama scratching himself? Why does he do that, anyhow?

Check my sig, Captain you fool. Then go away again and infest somebody else. I suggest RiverDaughter.

[x] Any (D) in the general. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

What you are all excited about is just a ginned-up issue to distract from Obama's many, many troubles.

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Send him to No Quarter - they like troll bashing.

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You're asking different things here. One is, "When will you admit the Wonderfulness of Him?" The other is, "What will you do when you finally can no longer avoid acceptance of the fact that Obama will be the Democratic nominee?"

Personally, I'd like to know why I should feel comfortable voting for someone who repeatedly uses right-wing, anti-choice framing on abortion. And my vote is not a given; he's going to have to make me feel comfortable about that, as well as many other issues prior to me voting for him.

Of course, had he spent his time during the primary talking about the issues instead of simply telling me how wonderful he is (and sending out minions to tell me how awful I was if I didn't ACCEPT HOW WONDERFUL HE IS, GOD HOW STUPID CAN YOU BE IF YOU DON'T SEE IT, YOU BITCH??) and tearing down his opponent, I might have the kind of comfort level necessary to cast a vote for him in the GE.

Unfortunately, by running to the right in the primary, he's got a lot of work to do to get the Democrats on board for the general. And he's not going to be able to disqualify McCain.

And as for him being the nominee, that's not over yet. He hasn't won anything. If he wins fairly (which means that FL and MI get seated before the convention), then I'll accept him as the nominee. But he'll still have to convince me to vote for him.

IOW, perhaps you might rethink your strategy. Telling people how stupid and deluded they are for not accepting the fantabulousness of your candidate is not a substitution for persuading them of the fantabulousness of your candidate via reasoned arguments.

Then you will understand His Transcendent Wonderfulness!

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I am washed in the blood of the Lamb!

I see the light!

I'm gonna name my Unity Pony Bucks!

For Bucks County LOL!!!!!

Later Uncle Jay's gonna come over and show me and my pony how to stretch out the coca, like a wrestler!!!!

I'm s-o-o-o-o-o-o excited!!!!!!

[x] Any (D) in the general. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

for Lambert.

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was that Capt whatever for real?

Is that really the level of argument they put out?

Then I'm definitely old and uncool and it looks like you guys are too!

And BTW, making references to commercial hip hop that has a long history of sexism and misogyny ain't gonna get BO the women's votes.

Like Melissa McEwan patiently explained repeatedly, feminism = progressivism, and progressivism = feminism.

real Dems don't ask "what will you do if so-and-so is the nominee"-- there's no option for me and millions of others-- we're Democrats and always vote Democratic--and that's why we want good nominees who truly represent us and will fight for us tooth and nail--not someone who runs away from us and won't fight and promises to work with the GOP instead of shutting them down, etc.

"...the liberal values that this blog supposedly promotes"

Fuck you, too!

Real dems are proudly progressive

Real dems are proudly liberal

Real dems support women's rights, no compromise

Real dems don't make nice with anti-women, anti-gay, religious fundamentalists of all tripes, no compromise

Real dems count ALL the votes

Real dems are feminist

Real dems get shit done

for the things we believe in. We've made this country better for all Americans--and always will fight to do so.

aren't afraid of democracy

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... voting records are running for the Democrats, MoveOn's decision to become a 527 for a single candidate was an amazing unforced error. I'm sure a lot of lifelong Democrats like myself will never send them another nickel.

Who knows, though. Maybe a high rate of churn is a good strategy for them, so long as each cycle they can rally around other personality ____. Maybe next time they'll be lucky enough to find a candidate so awesome he doesn't feel the need to badmouth "socialized medicine."

*raise glass with Amberglow and myiq2xu*

To some good clock cleaning on Tuesday! ;-)

Will there ever be a point at which you acknowledge that Obama better embodies the liberal values that this blog supposedly promotes than Clinton does?

OK, let me get out my can opener.

*crank* *crank* *crank* *crank* *crank*

Bwahahahahahahaha!

The question is based on a laughable false premise: Obama "better embodies" liberal values than Clinton does.

For example, since when is sexism a liberal value? Of course, the Orange Sippy Cup™ and other Blog Boyz have strongly rallied to make it one in following the "leadership" of Obama and members of his campaign: McPeak, Jesse Jackson, Jr.

I have more cans I can open if you have more erroneous questions. Maybe clicking the link Lambert posted and reading eRiposte would be a good idea so you don't embarrass yourself further. I'll help out and get ya going with one snippet:

9. False Attacks on Sen. Clinton's Healthcare plan using GOP/Harry-and-Louise-Type Rhetoric and Ads

December 2007 onwards: Obama campaign launches false attacks on Sen. Clinton's healthcare plan using the worst kind of Republican talking points - and by borrowing Harry and Louise type ads from the 1990s. In using this tactic yet again, the Obama campaign effectively borrowed the tactics used by the GOP that helped defeat the Clinton healthcare plan and partly led to the defeat of Democrats in Congress in 1994.

And, before the Boy Blogz went all rah-rah from the revenue rush of the OFB, they were exceedingly outraged in October as was I over another new, improved "liberal" value via Obama, homophobia.

Is the "captain" for real or a College Republican posing as an Obama supporter out to sow disharmony? Sometimes I wonder. It could happen.

really Rovian--that's Obama's big weakness, not Clinton's.

Obama is the one who's run away from labels, trashed and/or ignored all past Democratic achievements in favor of complimenting Republicans, encouraged "Republican for a day" voting in our primaries, and entirely falsely claimed that partisanship on ALL sides is why govt is "broken" instead of the intentional Republican strategy it's really been. He's insulted whole Dem voting blocs over and over--and still is not running on the practical issues Dems vote on in favor of the GOP strategy of personality, religion, and bs platitudes on a par with "morning in America".

to become a 527 for a single candidate was an amazing unforced error. I’m sure a lot of lifelong Democrats like myself will never send them another nickel.

I'm with you on that one, vastleft. Opted out right after the Obama endorsement. No mo' money from me.

Hope? Change you can believe in?

What's that mean?

"Change the way Washington does business?"

How? Constitutional amendments? Signing statements?

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they haven't yet pulled out the "well, he'll be surrounded by really experienced people, so you don't have to worry about his inexperience" that was also a line with Dubya in 2000.

ask an OFB how Obama would get the bills he wants passed with the GOP obstructing (and some dems defecting)

They have no clue how things work.

"He will like, use a new paradigm. He will take it directly to the people and they will force the GOP to cooperate."

I swear to Koresh, that's what one of them told me.

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at Kos and Metafilter, and of course in real life too--it's useless--they really don't get that GOP obstruction works for them and that they won't give it up, and that sitting down with a party that doesn't even believe govt should be helping all is futile to begin with.