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Sourcing? I mean I know it's Twitter and all
but there's nothing about "refusing" at @ElizabethforMA. Granted there's nothing either way at ElizabethforMA re: OWS. But there's only one other candidate that has anything about OWS on their twitter feeds. Granted, I didn't look very hard (hate, hate, hate Twitter).
I don't dispute the sentiment, just the sourcing.
Because the problem is not that we have too little condescension from our tribe. -- okanogen
Our posts actually crossed, Valhalla
More on Aaron Swartz.
First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win. -- Mahatma Gandhi
So much for Elizabeth Warren. Here's two-fer of wrongness
Here's a more official source (though Aaron Swartz is interesting). Slate:
1. No, but people who break the law -- take, for example, Martin Luther King -- should take the consequences of their at actions. For example.
2. No, the people on Wall Street broke the law too. That's what accounting control fraud is all about.
So, copy edit: "[T]he people on Wall Street broke this economy and the law. And they should be tried for it, and those who are guilty should go to jail."
First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win. -- Mahatma Gandhi
Joe Biden equated Van Jones with OWS
That's from a link in the Slate article claiming that Biden doesn't know who Van Jones is. My bet is that he knows who Van Jones is and is happy to have him be the "face" of OWS since he poses no real threat to Obama/Biden.
"Do what you feel in your heart to be right -- for you'll be criticized anyway. You'll be damned if you do, and damned if you don't. " - Eleanor Roosevelt
Joe Biden is a bankster-lovin' weasel who made student loans....
... impossible to discharge through bankruptcy. Whatever segment Biden and his owners think they're addressing, it's not the occupiers, or students.
First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win. -- Mahatma Gandhi
it's really not clear to me
that that's what she meant. Over at Ian's (BD's linked below), some people think it was just a badly phrased answer. I"ve looked for video or audio of what she actually said, and how she said it, but can't find any.
I initially read her quote as responding to the prevalent brush off about OWS "breaking the law" (what law? park rules?) with a yeah sure, but who cares because the focus should be on the people who broke the economy. A plausible interpretation is that she just doesn't want to get into a big debate over whether OWS technically broke the law or not, because that's not the point, or not her point.
This emerging spin (again, see Ian's) -- that she's somehow anti-OWS -- is premature and overblown, imho.
At the end of the day, I don't care much either way. As long as she's running as part of the Ds, it's not that important whether she wins or not. I think various progblogs were just repeating their endless quest for a heroic savior when they started getting all slobbery and pumped up over Warren to begin with, and the emerging drive to superparse her statements to bring her down now is sort of the same thing in the opposite direction.
Because the problem is not that we have too little condescension from our tribe. -- okanogen
If the focus is not on the banksters breaking the law...
... then the focus is misplaced.
First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win. -- Mahatma Gandhi
I just don't think it's a fair
interpretation of what she said, that she's either asserting or implying what you contradicting her on. (My interpretation btw is that she didn't want to focus on OWS lawbreaking, not that she was avoiding focus on bankster lawbreaking). And I really don't think you can fairly read that short tweet, not even two tweets as any assertion on her part that banksters should not be brought to justice.
I can't find video of the debate. The closest I could come regarding this particular statement is Izvestia --
Emphasis added.
So, pretty milquetoast-y, hardly your evocative reminder about wanting to see orange jumpsuits and perp walks, but also hardly a pass on justice for Wall St either.
Because the problem is not that we have too little condescension from our tribe. -- okanogen
She frames it that the Occupiers are lawbreakers...
... and the banksters are not. Read the transcript that you yourself supplied. She says: "... but the banksters broke the country." Warren is skilful and careful with her words, and if she had meant to say "broke the law and broke the country" I am sure she would have used the parallel construction.
That the banksters did other bad stuff is true. But they also broke the law. That they have impunity for doing so is the Washington consensus and Warren shares it; what does "accountable" mean if criminals avoid prosecution? Bad publicity? Way too much milque and not any toast at all. I don't think it's fair to give Warren credit for views that aren't justified by the text.
First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win. -- Mahatma Gandhi
Comments in the ongoing primary debate
see ongoing debate
http://gse.uml.edu/debate/
I believe that she was the only candidate, who did not endorse "Occupy Wall Street," and focused on the illegal nature of the protest. I have not been able to watch the debate myself, but that is what the Tweeters are saying.
Ian has a post up
here.
"Do what you feel in your heart to be right -- for you'll be criticized anyway. You'll be damned if you do, and damned if you don't. " - Eleanor Roosevelt