Mon, 10/20/2008 - 10:17am — vastleft
Digby on the result of her "coming out" as a woman:
My lack of gender identity precluded some of the online sexism, derision and rudeness that are so common for women writers. I've since been schooled in the phenomenon.
IIRC, the most furious sexist attacks occurred whenever she dared evince even the slightest skepticism toward one candidate in particular.
Whoever it was, he's certainly established himself as a "change agent."
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I'm oblivious to it
I understand there are websites dedicated to trashing me but I never go there and wasn't aware that they even existed until August.
Here's the deal with women bloggers: The comments come from little black dots on the monitor. Nothing more than pixels. They cannot hurt you. And blogging is actually the perfect media for women. Blogging allows you to formulate a devastating comeback. The most effective female bloggers take full advantage of that.
Yes, there's still ugly misogyny but whatcha gonna do? Retreat into purdah and never venture out without a burqa?
That's just what the misogynists want.
Come together at The Confluence
Come together at The Confluence
Goldberry, Digby was so assaulted, in such numbers, than she
could not keep up with the editing and had to shut down comments for, what, a week...or more?
It was very, very ugly.
And her saying that she was neutral had no effect. Nothing could be allowed against The One.
Now, she's considered to have gotten in line, I think.
Speaking of Kool-Aid (well, it wasn't mentioned, but...), has Atrios come out against public financing? Bcz not using it worked so well for Obama? Most commenters agree with him, it seems.
campaign finance reform is a failed model
the right wing ascendency began after we changed the finance laws. The whole argument about it sucks up energy and political capital that could be better used on other issues. It would please me if the left just gave up on campaign finance reform and concentrated on the Employee Free Choice Act, Net Neutrality, HR 676 and other things that would make a real difference for real people.
Without substantial election reform
You probably won't get anything you want. We'll be stuck with elected officials whom our financial overlords deem worthy. We're seeing more and more "Blue Dogs" within Dem ranks. Do you think that is an accident? Do you think its an accident that Obama is going to the right to the level he has been?
Only tyrants rig elections.
that is what Versailles wants us to think
Versailles
wants Paris to waste all of its time on campaign finance reform, to think it is a perequisite to everything else, so we don't even get started.
We won collective bargaining (Wagner Act), social security, unemployment insurance, minimum wage, civil rights, Medicare, Head Start, Peace Corps, Vista, Clean Water Act, Endangered Species Act, Clean Air Act, established OSHA and the EPA, BEFORE campaign finance reform. Since campaign finance reform we have isntalled thosands of Federalist Society Crony Judges, tax cuts for the rich, weakened regulation of the energy, finance sectors and generally moved far to the right. How long before we catch on that campaign finance reform is a red herring? A bright shiny object?
The conservative ascendancy predates campaign finance reform
It really does. If you don't think so, read "The Right Nation" or "Republican Noise Machine". Most of your list happened before the rise of movement conservativism and are irrelevant to today's current political environment--the only ones who are about post-partisanship are movement conservatives because that means they win without a fight. And if you want to talk about conservative judges, who's to say that they will allow anything you think we should push for?
BTW, you don't have to fight only one battle. I happen to think that we need to tie everything into a cohesive, 21st Century Liberalism package. Unfortunately, Obama has essentially said that is not an option.
Only tyrants rig elections.
The finance reform post Atrios links to...
... makes an interesting argument based on Madison's thinking on faction in the Federalist Papers. I don't think it makes sense to dismiss it out of hand. I don't see how campaign finance reform caused the Conservative
Ascendancy, but it is surely true, given the results, that it did little to stop it. I'm perfectly willing to put "campaign finance reform" in the same meme bucket as "tax relief". Especially as compared to, oh, abolishing the idea of corporate personhood so they don't get free speech.
[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.
First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win. -- Mahatma Gandhi
Apologies--link to Atrios's comment didn't take--could swear I
saw blue... LINK
jawbone, she didn't need to shut down her comments
All she needed to do was delete the more offensive ones. We don't put up with that crap. Trigger words get comments thrown into the moderation queue. Repeat offenders are shown the door. But what we try to guard against is propaganda, which is very subtle sometimes. The propaganda artists are more damaging than the out and out rude bad boys. Maybe this is what Digby failed to eliminate quickly enough.
Come together at The Confluence
Come together at The Confluence
Right, but at least at that time...
... SiteMeter didn't allow trigger words or queuing, IIRC.
In any case, this isn't a technical or even a moderation issue, is it really?
[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.
First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win. -- Mahatma Gandhi
I disagree that digby's comments could've been let run riot
especially given the seriously anti-woman, and very very crude, nature of those repeated insults to the host of the site.
We can admit that we’re killers … but we’re not going to kill today. That’s all it takes! Knowing that we’re not going to kill today! ~ Captain James T. Kirk, Stardate 3193.0
1 John 4:18
We can admit that we’re killers … but we’re not going to kill today. That’s all it takes! ~ Captain James T. Kirk, Stardate 3193.0
1 John 4:18
Who said Digby should have let offensive comments
run riot?
Was a comment deleted?
Because the problem is not that we have too little condescension from our tribe. -- okanogen
Not to my knowledge, valhalla; I did feel the
comment, "Jawbone, she didn't need to shut down her comments" directly contradicted digby's own quote giving her reasons for closing comments.
Digby tried to keep comments open and delete the egregious ones. But the uninterrupted flow of sewage -- which, I repeat, digby had no obligation to continue to invite -- became overwhelming.
We can admit that we’re killers … but we’re not going to kill today. That’s all it takes! Knowing that we’re not going to kill today! ~ Captain James T. Kirk, Stardate 3193.0
1 John 4:18
We can admit that we’re killers … but we’re not going to kill today. That’s all it takes! ~ Captain James T. Kirk, Stardate 3193.0
1 John 4:18
i agree with the 'just pixels' and 'great for wimmin'
idea about blogging. and with sarah- digby had no choice but to shut them down for a while. it's a big deal to retool a website for serious comment moderation, just ask lambert.
but yeah, i remember my first death threat. for a minute it struck me, but then i got up from the computer and went outside in my garden after petting the cat. the screams of online wingnuts are as loud as the clapping of tinkerbell.
i was sorry that digby had to out herself. i always knew she was a 'she' but i also knew how little that mattered, and still doesn't matter, in the evolving universe of online writing and activism. there is like, a boatload's worth of Serious
posting to be done on gender/online identity, and it's fun to look around the tubes at what has already been done.