i could do that. can i tear up my photo id and send it along as well?

I’ve said it 100 times, it is a bad idea.

If Clinton is second banana to Obama, I still won’t vote, and it carries a lot of sexist baggage to other Clinton supporters as well. And half his base would quit, b/c he betrayed them by accepting the bitch back. So it won’t work.

If Obama is second banana to Clinton, he will drag her down in the GE, and won’t be an effective attack dog. Half his base would quit, b/c he accepted the bitch back.

Clinton needs a White Male, preferably Wes Clark, and Obama has a VP in mind, a Red State Dem, like Daschle, or Kennedy or Kerry.

Bill Clinton for First Dude!!!

There is just too much vicious shit to say about it to sprinkle it all over The Might Corrente Building.

Bill Clinton for First Dude!!!

Via Oxycon in another thread, Chris Bowers on what Obama’s nomination will mean:

1. Cultural Shift: Out with Bubbas, up with Creatives: There should be a major cultural shift in the party, where the southern Dems and Liebercrat elite will be largely replaced by rising creative class types. Obama has all the markers of a creative class background, from his community organizing, to his Unitarianism, to being an academic, to living in Hyde Park to shopping at Whole Foods and drinking PBR. These will be the type of people running the Democratic Party now, and it will be a big cultural shift from the white working class focus of earlier decades.

But wait! There’s more:

Coalition reorganization: Out with party silos, in with squishy goo-goos. In addition to a shift in culture and policy focus, I also expect a different approach to coalition building. A long-standing Democrats approach of transactional politics with different issue and demographic silos in the party shift toward an emphasis on good government (goo goo) approaches. We will see lots of emphasis on non-partisanship, ethics reform, election reform instead of on, say, placating labor unions, environment groups, and the LGBT community by throwing each of these groups a policy bone or two. Now, the focus will be on broad, squishy fixes that are designed to appeal to several groups at once. George Lakoff wrote about this a couple months ago.

Go read the entire thing here - http://www.openleft.com/showDiary.do?dia…. Make sure to read the comments. It’s like a bad parody.

Here are my thoughts:

1) The right will not have to paint Obama as an elitist, his supporters will do it for them,

2) The working class is fucked if Obama is the nominee because all these people care about process, not where the process leads,

3) The Democratic party is fucked in November because this is not how you get elected, it’s how you lose 48 states, and

4) These people are totally unprepared for the GOP attacks coming their way. They really are going to take arugala to a knife fight.

If I could I’d send every Super Delegate and DNC official a copy of this ridiculous diary.

this is a truly odd solution, and i don’t really like it, but as long as we’re talking about change….

The reality:

Just saying.

Interesting, if true. Read the post for the detail, which can’t begin to explain or assess, but if they play switcheroo with the 25th amendment in office:

The teammates could, between themselves, share power for a total of four full terms.

[x] Any (D) in the general. [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

But it’s interesting to think about.

Why is there no such thing as fission cuisine? Because isn’t that our alternative here?

[x] Any (D) in the general. [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

“We will see lots of emphasis on non-partisanship, ethics reform, election reform instead of on, say, placating labor unions, environment groups, and the LGBT community by throwing each of these groups a policy bone or two. “

IOW - Us non-creative non-kewl types in the coalition are getting thrown under the bus too.

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” … we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender …”- Winston Churchill

After hearing that the Clinton campaign agrees that there will be a nominee by June, it seems our best chance to not be slaughtered in the GE (not necessarily winning) is Clinton/Obama and yet even that is unlikely! I am fucking weeping right now! Manly weeping to be sure, but weeping nonetheless.

Obama/Clinton will never work because Obama has guaranteed it’ll remain a strictly personality-based campaign, which assures the lethal potency of Wright/Ayers/Rezko/Race Card/Arugula—to which he is defenseless since he has profound contempt for substance, utter incompetence for policy, and is grossly unqualified and inexperienced to be president (Clinton as VP will only serve to highlight that fact)—and no one can beat McCain’s Maverick/War Hero biography. No. One.

And no, the economy will not bail out his ass because, in addition to his dependence on empty platitudes and being averse to discussing policy with any degree of intelligence, he has destroyed the one advantage a Democrat was supposed to have: the Clinton legacy.

We! Are! Fucked!
*Rocking myself in the fetal position*

have lost their fucking minds.

Obama says eat shit.

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” … we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender …”- Winston Churchill

And of course, blue collar workers will say amen. Women will be delighted. The blogger goons will fall in love with Hillary. The wine drinker will switch to beer. Finally, Starbucks will start serving hamburgers.

Summery: intellectual laziness and political ignorance.

Did I say that I wont vote for Obama for dog catcher?

clinton as the competent President-in-Fact

and obama as the oblivious, dumb-assed President-for-Representational-Duties.

sounds like a very bad idea; and as such,

one that any politican would love.

if you think the pressure on clinton to quit has been severe,

wait ’till you see the pressure on her to legitimize obama and axelrod’s take over of the democratic party by agreeing to become Vice-President for Unity and Victory.

me, i’m bailing on any such deal.

because there is no way I’d vote for a ticket where Hillary is Obama’s #2.

That’s to be expected. We will have a presumptive nominee in June after the voting. It’s smart to signal to the SDs that she’s not going to take it to the convention. None of that, however, prevents her from getting the nomination. Either in June* or even at the convention if the GOP does half the damage to Obama I expect them to.

* I do not expect Clinton to be the presumptive nominee in June, but do believe - while a long shot - it’s still possible. She could actually pick up quite a few delegates in KY, WVA and PR, if her voters turn out. Not to mention the popular vote.

fdr was popular enough to get elected for 4 terms, and he’s my idea of what a good democrat should look like.

right now, neither clinton nor obama lives up to that ideal, imnaaho, so i’d want some kind of nuclear option to jettison them after the two-term limit unless they progressively kept moving to the left while in office. if we can have corporate personhood, surely we could get the duo declared as one ’person’ for purposes of the presidency, thereby making them subject to the 25th amendment.

whoever gets elected [and i’m reasonably certain it’ll be anybody but mccain] will be saddled with huge problems [and lots of them] and is likely to suffer the same fate as jimmy carter, no matter how good a job they do righting the wrongs of the present administration.

a scenario:

obama has traded on his unity theme enough that he should be able to suck it up and offer her a plum vp position [he’d have to grovel, though, so maybe it wouldn’t happen]. cheney has certainly expanded the office enough that she could wield some real power there. then after his one term, since incumbent vice presidents usually have an advantage when they run for president, she could get elected for the following two terms.

That’s what’s going on, folks. I’ve mentioned it before and I’ll say it again. This is a full frontal assault that started after NC/IN.

They’re fucking with us through waves and waves of triumphalist rhetoric alternating with hectoring us to “get in the car” (I’m sure this one resonates with us ladies).

And not to mention the bribing attempt.

Don’t get fooled by it. It ain’t over just yet.

I’d say it’s probably over, but probably isn’t the same as definitely. If I saw large movement from SDs, then I’d say it was over. But that hasn’t happened.

All I’ve gotten is the lekking to end all lekkings. Which, ironically, instead of convincing me that Clinton is done, has only convinced me of the opposite. Winners don’t need to lek. Or announce when they will declare victory. They simply are victorious.

So I can’t help what set off Obama’s lekking. He isn’t worried about those SDs is he?

Where is the deluge of SD endorsing BO we were supposed to get after NC/IN?

… would that be sexist? (Just kidding. I think)

[x] Any (D) in the general. [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

That’s our best chance isn’t it: for the GOP to take it to Obama and the Democratic Party finally avoids political suicide. I just don’t see how in the world, even if Obama was slaughtered, that the Democratic Party would “take” the nomination (perception trumps reality) from the first black post-racial candidate and hand it to Clinton. I don’t trust any of ’em. Why should I? They’re so hellbent on eliminating the Clintons that they’re willing to throw away an election and destroy the party—and they’re too damn blind to know it. And the rest are cowards.

About Clinton signaling that she’s not taking it to Denver: Hasn’t she previously been consistent that she would in order to seat MI and FL? I don’t see that May 31 meeting dealing with those states fairly (Apparently, MI plans on not only granting Obama all the “uncommitted” delegates but also some of Clinton’s).

The Leader incarnates fairness; he is a “moral force”.

It’s called vote theft, says Jeralyn.

[x] Any (D) in the general. [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

who would stop at nothing to win?

Does the DNC really think they’re going to get away with this?

I finally got called racist! For blogging about how the democratic party is cannibalizing itself!

Don’t mention that AA’s are a small portion of voters! Then you’re racist!

Sorry, I just feel like part of the “in” crowd now.

happily immune to all religious indoctrination

take a nice long vacation. She’s earned it.

Let the fleas spend the summer arguing over who owns the dog.

The GOP will not sit idly while our “presumptive nominee” runs against McCain. Neither will McCain’s base - the media. Without Hillary to draw fire, Obama will be the only target.

I’m guessing that by August the superdels will be rethinking their as-yet uncast votes.

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” … we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender …”- Winston Churchill

seriously.

I asked the obots over at sadly, no if the right-machine went into full gears, and by convention time Obama was down by double digits in all but a handful of states, whether SDs who are supporting Obama now based on the assumption of electability could change their minds without being vilified by Obama supporters.

The response?

Decisions shouldn’t be driven by polls.

They are ALL FUCKING BATSHIT CRAZY.

from White Men Can’t Jump…

You’re like all the white boys I ever met.

You’re like every brother I ever saw.

You’d rather look good and lose than look bad and win.

hey, it’s multi-cultural

Is anyone else annoyed that the only reason ever given that Hillary Clinton might decline the honor as serving as Obama’s bitch VP would be to make him lose so she can run in 2012?

When did MA become a red state? I missed that change completely. Is it because I haven’t been watching cable recently?

Obama won’t offer, so it is all academic. But I think it would be a mistake for her to accept. I think the way that she did some campaigning for him during her speeches hurt her.

“The great divide in this country is not by race or even income, it’s by those who think they are better than everyone else and think they should play by a different set of rules,” —Bill Clinton

Personally, I believe that Hillary isn’t going to decline the VP and wait for 2012, but I have no real basis for that.

First, the VP is not going to be offered. Worse than that: they will be a huge collateral damage to the Democratic Congress. Since Obama is probably going to lose in a landslide, his coattails will be a mine field for the House and Senate Democrats.

2012 will, then, be a beginning of a slow recovery with a party we may not recognize today.

Instead it’s looking more and more like Little Big Horn.

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” … we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender …”- Winston Churchill

But, No.

First of all, Cheney’s expansion of FourthBranch, is bad and unprogressive and we should not be championing the idea, even for our candidate.

Two, I will not sit still if I saw the more qualified woman have to take the backseat, and do all the hard work, so the popular frat boy could get all the credit. Uh-Uh, No Sir, No Way.

Bill Clinton for First Dude!!!

…on this Hillary as VP thing. I’ve long suspected neither would choose the other as they’d both opt for someone with military experience to offset McCain’s. Someone like Wesley Clark for Hillary and maybe Jim Webb for Obama.

As for MI and FL they will be seated in some fashion at the convention, Howard Dean has long said that. Yesterday Hillary’s camp rejected a plan put forth by the whole MI contingent that she get 69 pledged dels, Obama 59 and all their superdels get seated too. It would cut Hill’s pledged delegate lead there from the 18 she won over “uncommitted” to 10 over Obama. My guess is they’ll eventually settle on something close to this.

ABC is the first to report Obama taking a lead in super dels 267-265.

Have you actually talked to any of the vast majority of voters who don’t read blogs? Have you looked at Republican fundraising numbers? McCain’s?

The Republican Party is running on fumes. McCain is tied after sewing up the nomination months ago while our two candidates have attacked each other. He’s peaked with the free ride he’s had since February. We haven’t even started poking holes in his narrative. He’s flip flopped so many times on so many issues he looks like a gymnast doing the floor exercise. Last September in a moment of sanity he told Charlie Rose we’ll have to get out of Iraq, permanent bases aren’t possible because of cultural, tribal differences etc. (they rightly fucking hate us for what we’ve done to them was left unspoken.)

The point is you’re fighting the last war if you think the demoralized Repubs who’ve had 29 House reps retire are going to be able to push McCain to a double digit lead anywhere but maybe Alabama. They’re playing defense without much ammo. If you think the hundreds of millions of Americans who are scared shitless about their future are going to entrust it to the old guy who promises them more of the same policies that got us into this mess you’re just kidding yourself.

That’s why Obama and especially Hillary are fighting so hard. The winner of our nomination has
a much easier path to the presidency than McCain. Republicans know it, I know it, silly people who don’t read blogs know it and so does damn near every Dem politician. You should too.

See here for the detail.

At least Obama isn’t pushing that stupid 50/50 plan any more. Pushback works. More like that, please.

[x] Any (D) in the general. [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

Now it’s not just Obama, but Michigan Democratic leaders who are conspiring to steal votes from Hillary. That CDS sure is contagious!

Steal them from the voters who cast them. The votes belong to the voters, not the candidates or the party functionaries.

will sit this one out?

That is a set-up. They can turn the money spigot on overnight. If they donate now McCain has to report it, but he doesn’t need the money just yet. Besides, his wife is filthy rich.

I’m guessing McCain has multi-millions in “pledges” that he’s waiting to cash in. He’s just waiting for Obama to decide to waive federal matching funds. Not to mention the 527’s that will spring up over night to “independently” bash Obama.

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” … we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender …”- Winston Churchill

esp compared to us Dems—he’ll always get good abundant free media, and the GOP relies on 527 and outside groups always—they can’t effectively trash and smear with the RNC.

especially about the woman having to walk two paces behind, sets my teeth on edge just thinking about it.

if she doesn’t get the dem nomination, i’d kinda like to see her run as an independent.

[apologies for being slow to catch up here.]