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The Howler is party invariant

Mon, 09/29/2008 - 12:44pm — lambert

See here.

There are some "nominal allies" who don't get this.

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Who needs party invariance when you can steal elections?

By gqmartinez on Mon, 09/29/2008 - 12:57pm

Here.

If progblogs, and even the majority of folks here had genuinely pursued policy positions rather than try to word hump the need to vote for Obama no matter what do you think we would have to fight as hard against the bailout? Probably not because the powers that be know they can pander to the religious right or drop a trillion to the bankers without having to worry about our votes. We gave up our ability to have influence.

Obama is an easy pol to influence, he only cares about winning. If we withheld our votes (or pretended to) we could have earned a bone every now and then instead of having to rely on the rapture-type rhetoric coming from the left about the danger of a McCain presidency. Why do we insist on pissing away our influence? So, so frustrating.

Oh, Howler was great as always.

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Bob Somerby Is My Hero

By BDBlue on Mon, 09/29/2008 - 3:02pm

I'm being completely serious here. It's not easy to take on your own side with the same cold eye that you do the opposition. He's kept his eye on the ball - the danger of the shallow and stupid political coverage, not who it benefits. Because it's hard to see a political discourse based on lies and stupidity leading to good political decisions.

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"Do what you feel in your heart to be right -- for you'll be criticized anyway. You'll be damned if you do, and damned if you don't. " - Eleanor Roosevelt

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yup--he rocks--

By amberglow on Mon, 09/29/2008 - 3:34pm

this on Klein is perfect, as usual from him--

"... Biggest hack in the pond: ...
What Klein said:

“As for me, the more I think about it, the more McCain's performance annoys me. He seemed condescending and small throughout.”

What Klein actually meant:

“As for me, the more I see what others have written, the more McCain's performance annoys me. He seemed condescending and small throughout.” ..."

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Because it’s hard to see

By Truth Partisan on Mon, 09/29/2008 - 3:49pm

Because it’s hard to see a political discourse based on lies and stupidity leading to good political decisions.

Exactly!

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GRRR....

By Damon on Tue, 09/30/2008 - 4:23am

I brought this up into another thread on these debates, but the televised debates are staged-kabuki. If they were ever meant to be about issues, they'd put the two into a tiny studio and do this thing by radio where they couldn't play to the in-studio crowd. Why is anyone supposed to concentrate on what they are saying when the entire venue is meant to focus you on how they say it? I'm just baffled, really, that people keep admonishing folks for not paying attention to substance, when these things are meant to score visual points. Have we learned nothing from implications and effects of the original televised debate between Kennedy and Nixon?

So, you stick the politicians on a superbly lighted stage, cake them up with make-up, plead for them to go at its like cats and dogs, and then get pissed when people concentrate on body language? It's like going to a Hannah Montanna concert and then complaining about it being overproduced.

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But, we've always been at war with Eastasia...

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