
Would someone more expert than I about Social Security and Medicare please take a crack at Newsweek's Robert J. Samuelson's "Young Voters, Get Mad — You need to appeal to the shame and guilt of older Americans"?
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Samuelson is a liar
while Social Security doesn't need fixing, there is a way to improve its solvency without cutting benefits or raising the retirement age.
increase the minimum wage.
Benefits are calculated based on your best 35 years of earnings. Years in which minimum wage (and wages that rise when the minimum wage rises)is earned will not be included in the calculations if the person has 35 better years -- in other words, increasing the minimum wage will not have much of an impact on future benefit levels because people who work for 45 years will spend most of their lives in higher paying jobs for 35 of those years.
But by raising the minimum wage, you increase payroll tax receipts -- more money goes into the system, but it has little impact on benefit levels.
or create well-paying jobs--
that'd help--in all sorts of ways.
& tax all income, not just the first 60k or
whatever low amount it is.
Low Paying Jobs Increase Generational Friction
I'll go look for more info, but since the 1970s there has been a shifting of wealth away from the younger folks to the older folks. This has come in a variety of ways from cutting school spending to cutting welfare to cutting student aid for colleges and focusing on loans. Add to that wages have been stagnant for 30 years. The younger you are, the more screwed you are by this since every year it gets more expensive.
Meanwhile, you're scraping by with two young children and no health insurance, but every two weeks they take money out of your paycheck so people like Warren Buffett can be covered by Medicare.
Now, I know a lot of people other than Warren Buffett get and need Medicare. But the problem is that we have cut aid for the poorest while leaving intact and even expanding (drug program) the money that goes out that is not means tested and that money is almost always given to the elderly (this is no coincidence the elderly are more politically active and overall have more money to influence politics - there is no AARP equivalent for poor, working families).
Understandably this leads to generational resentment.
The problem is that what is so often proposed to even things out is not reinstating or beefing up aid given to young people and working families, it's cutting aid to the elderly (many of whom need it and have paid into the system). The answer it seems to me is not to stir up young people's resentment, but to stir up older folks' sense of fairness. Every older American who benefits from Medicare should be arguing and voting that younger Americans get the same health coverage. Every older American who benefits from the social security safety net should be arguing for a safety net for working Americans paying to provide their social security net, including raising the minimum wage. But that's not what we're getting. Because the folks making these arguments don't care about solving poverty or healthcare problems, they care about cutting government further.
"Do what you feel in your heart to be right -- for you'll be criticized anyway. You'll be damned if you do, and damned if you don't. " - Eleanor Roosevelt
IIRC, the essence of the Reagan/O'Neill compromise
... was that payroll taxes would be increased, for my generation, exactly so I could (a) help pay for my parents and (b) also pay for my own generation.
So, I have nothing to be guilty or ashamed of at all; I have already paid.
The people who should be guilty and ashamed are the people who are trying to steal my money -- but as we saw from the Bush + Reid + Pelosi + Obama + Paulson bailout bill, that will never happen while the Village
has anything to say about it.
[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.
First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win. -- Mahatma Gandhi
Intergenerational Fighting
Does anyone remember what Ken Melman was pushing during the Social Security debate? You should.
Melman was outlining a strategy to target young people by saying they should be allowed to keep "their" money WRT social security. This is one of the things that bothered me about Obama's use of intergeneration fighting (you know, the old hags are keeping Obama down). Its why the libertarian bent of the "creative class" bothers me. These two facets encompass exactly what Melman dreamed about and if Obama were to give his blessings (or get pressured enough by the Broders), the Kewl Kidz will go hog wild trying to use their influence on us to "reform" social security.
Only tyrants rig elections.
And it's exactly what Sully was aiming for...
... in his Atlantic endorsement. I read this:
And thought Uh oh...
Wonder what Kos thinks about all this over at Cato?
[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.
First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win. -- Mahatma Gandhi
What is
WRT?
with regard to
(i think)
That's what I have been saying
We boomers have ALREADY paid for our SS, BEFORE getting it. Why on earth should the younger generation be mad at us? They should be mad at those wealthy people that have been busy trying to steal that fund we have been paying into for all these decades.
He's just trying to deflect the anger away from those thieves that have been dipping into the funds to funnel money to their cronies and themselves. He's just another one of those scammers like all those others that have been busy talking people out of their pensions.
"A little knowledge is a dangerous thing. So is a lot." - Albert Einstein
You Have Not Already Paid for Social Security
That's not how the system was designed. You paid for your parents' social security. My generation will pay for yours and the next generation will pay for mine. And, many people will collect more from social security than they put in, but that's okay. The system was designed that way and not as some sort of savings account where you collect your contributions when you get older. What permits this is the growth in population and the increase in wages. 1% of a paycheck now is more than it was in 1970 (although not much more when controlling for inflation).
But the real resentment is coming from the overall economic difference between generations. As this country's wages and economy have declined, people born later do worse than their parents. From USA Today:
Medicare and social security are largely wealth transfer programs where those of working age provide a safety net for older folks. What makes that an issue is that America is in an economic decline where the later you were born, the more economic disadvantage you're at. And the safety nets aimed at helping working folks have been gutted over the past 30 years while wages have stagnated, the cost of education has soared, and housing has gone through the roof. They make less and pay more.
Instead of fighting over how to screw each generation, what we should be doing is fighting to help each generation. It makes no sense that older folks get medicare but families with young children don't. The way to stop all this nonsense is to figure out how government can help all generations live healthy, successful lives.
And that's where all this "guilt" the other generation is unhelpful. It's a good thing poverty rates for the elderly are markedly down. It's a terrible thing poverty rates for the young are not. That's something older Americans need to join with younger Americans to work to fix. But instead of focusing on that, it's so much easier for the media to build resentment. And, hey, when you make $8 an hour and see money going out of your paycheck to pay for Medicare for the old guy who owns your company while you can't take your sick kid to the doctor, it's kind of easy to get resentful.
"Do what you feel in your heart to be right -- for you'll be criticized anyway. You'll be damned if you do, and damned if you don't. " - Eleanor Roosevelt
Former SS Sommissioner Robert Ball
proposed a solution that would insure SS solvency for at least the next 75 years.
Robert M. Ball Plan
More info about the plan can be found here.
there are probs with that plan, scoff
cutting cost-of-living is no good if we have inflation and food cost increases like now.
and investing the trust fund in the market is absolutely a terrible idea.
raising the amount of income subject to SS tax is the best way to go, i think.
Cost of living increases
would only be reduced by about 0.25% according to Ball's plan. From the Ball Plan link:
Ball's plan also proposes:
Tha Ball Plan was first proposed in 1999. I'm sure it could be revised to take into account to the changes we've seen in our economy since then. It's simplicity and the fact that it works within the existing structure of SS make it worth studying, IMO.
the stock thing--
i can't buy it--who would administer it? what would their take be? and the fees? and what kind of guarantee for us if there are losses?
1% quickly becomes more once you add in fees and stuff--at least it does for mutual funds.
It's all about the fees
That's all Ball's plan is -- fees for the brokers, which they now need, after the latest bubble burst.
[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.
First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win. -- Mahatma Gandhi
Minimum wage + immigration
That alone could increase the money going into SS.
Take a look at the various projections for SS and see what sort of variables increase its longevity.
Only tyrants rig elections.
Payroll tax
Starting in 2009, the amount of earnings subject to payroll tax rises from $102,000 to $106,000.
And we don't need to invest SS money in the market. It would help if the gov't would stop spending it on other things and just put the money into Treasury bills or maybe CDs. Remember Gore's "social security lockbox" and all the grief he took in 2000 because of that? Imagine.
they should make it for all pay no matter how high
--millionaires get SS--they should pay a comparable percentage like the rest of us do.
That is in the plan for HR 676
It covers everyone (all US residents), and here's how it is to be funded (from the Healthcare Now! link):
We can't afford not to have single-payer!
that's the way to go with all big programs
tax all income no matter how high or low, if the program is for all Americans.
I'm no more expert than you
But I already have enough boomer guilt. And the newsweek guy should be plenty ashamed. He's pretty condescending to the yung'uns he claims to be so concerned about -- their innocence and gullibility!
People can work longer, he says. He's speaking from his position of privilege. He's 62 and he has friends who are old, well good for him. His and their soc sec checks will probably be starbucks pocket money in a few years. For other people it will be 100% of their income.
How much longer must a person work -- 63, 65, now 67, soon 70 -- at jobs like cleaning lady, truck loader, waitress, nurse, teacher, painter, plasterer, mechanic, contruction worker, and on and on, so many physical labors that don't involve sitting passively at a computer and being unable to come up with a rational thought, such as Samuelson's job seems to be.
And AARP the citadel? Give me a break. AARP gave us the medicare drug bill with all the confusing ever-changing choices, and no gov't ability to negotiate drug prices. AARP is just another insurance company (for the most part).
I admit that there was a time when I first entered the full time work force, a lifetime ago, and had to support myself, that I thought I really could use those few dollars that went to SS every week Right Now!! And it was supposed to be a "voluntary" contribution that I didn't volunteer for.
I think the yung'uns are way smarter. They know that eventually they'll get old too, and then what?
This guy is an idiot. "Rhetorical pledges of worrying about their children" -- WTF
about the bailout my grandson is gonna be paying for?
I remember so many election years my mother used to ask me: What do you think they're going to do about Soc Sec? They keep threatening.
and I was confident enough those years to say: They're not going to do anything. They wouldn't dare.
So now Samuelson is suggesting that if I ask my son the same question several years from now, my son's answer should be: FU mom?
FU Samuelson.