And I'll think about it.

He's been saying the same things from the jump.

No one cared then.

And if you want to shove either of the two candidates on offer toward doing the right thing, this is one way to do it. In fact, it's the only way I've seen. Nothing else has worked, eh?

[x] Any (D) in the general. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

just chiming in where I deem it appropriate.

But no...

no pressure will be brought to bear on either 'Dem' candidate.

A friendly wager?

Furthermore, 'temporary' bases leaves a ton of wiggle room.

Is the embassy discussed at all in the plan?

I'm off to read it.

but it's the best I've seen, and it's something we can DO. I'm glad to hear that they're against the bases, and I'd love to hear that they are about the embassy. And heck, the addresses are all there, we can pressure them to "clarify"....

[x] Any (D) in the general. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

Lambert, you should contact them and get Corente on their sidebar Around the Blogisphere or something like that

also, I couldn't give me reasons even though there was a space for it, and where is the list of signatures of those not the original signers?

People like to see who else has signed, especially among bloggers.

I'll guess both Obama and Clinton will say they do support it...

they're already listed as co-sponsors on one of the bills. **doh closed the link already**

The senate bill about media ownership.

They need to sign it. Period. It's the best plan on offer. I won't want to let them crawfish around with "Oh, well I've really done the same thing..."

Plus, think of the downticket support for the poeple that DID sign.

[x] Any (D) in the general. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

to my sidebar. And forwarded their site to some folks when I signed.

I normally shun adverts, but for the cause.

linkage

Good to have this brought up here again, . A very reasonable approach to the problemand a powerful argument with which to defeat Republican warmongers in the fall.

I thought this piece at Huffington Post by Naomi Klein and Jeremy Schall was right on the money about how instead of lamenting the extended primary, we should be using it to push both candidates to put forward better positions on the war. Personally, I think it's more likely to work with Clinton but that's because she's been forced to prove herself more than Obama (think her position on banning mercenaries), but it doesn't have to be that way. We could - and should - be pushing both of them, by rewarding movement the right way and punishing lack of it at the ballot box and in commentary. I'm not sure that will happen with the current blogosphere favorite, who seems immune from getting such pressure and is judged under the more lenient Obama rules, but that doesn't mean it's not worth trying.

This is one way to try to pressure both candidates to commit to going further on ending the fiasco in Iraq and it does so by providing a concrete alternative position. And the confluence of events could be in our favor - the continuing primary along with the apparent failing cease fire Iraq. Seems like a good time to push 'em.

and am sending an email to Obama campaign to urge him (via here) to support it. Thanks for posting this info, Lambert and BIO.

And then Digby's post, and the whole thing flashed in my mind, and maybe there's a way to give PA some leverage.

[x] Any (D) in the general. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

We may now return to our regularly scheduled bashing of each other's brains out, but I think this is more important than that, however important and fun blood sport may be. I assume I called you a troll at some point, under the duck test, and I herewith retract.

Where are you located geographically, if I may ask. PA, by any chance?

NOTE However, your link is to the Barack contact page. Got a link to any actual post with content?

[x] Any (D) in the general. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

1. The link was for people who want to send the Obama campaign a message in support of this plan. Just trying to be helpful.

2. I am in Delaware, about 3 miles from the PA border.

3. I agree with you 100%, this is much more important than our blogwars.

I hadn't seen your earlier post on Naomi Klein's piece.

And I'm going to email Hillary's campaign this evening when I get home about endorsing the plan.

... and given the plethora of bloggers in PA and especially Philly, there really ought to be a way for us to have an impact. I can think of some sweeteners, but I'd rather see a substantial number of hits on this post, and I can't see to get that, despite my best efforts at blogwhoring. Ah well. Persistence.

[x] Any (D) in the general. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

i signed...interesting group of candidates listed--some are Schumer/Emanuel approved and some aren't...

But also pressure the candidates!

[x] Any (D) in the general. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

it's been awhile since i've visited the subject so my information could be out of date, but i don't think they can play that one up.

we backed off a little bit on the production sharing agreements and the oil law [last fall? i forget], but even now i still don't see anything that's going to keep american and british oil companies from being the major profiteers.

No problem. Just put a huge per-barrel tax on american oil companies working in Iraq to pay for war debts and Iraqi reconstruction. Watch how fast they sell the contracts.

Same reason GM doesn't sell crack.