This Rove theory isn’t the one that’s NSFW.

An attack on Iran would be either genocidal or suicidal. Bush can’t simply take a whack at the hornet’s nest while his armed forces sit vulnerable on neighboring land and water. So that part of the theory isn’t plausible because they must be planning something bigger.

As for the theory that Rove has finally found a war he doesn’t like, I doubt it. He’s an obnoxious, bellicose chickenhawk who has run out of legal options for prolonging the Bush regime. He’d rather be on the inside of the bunker when this thing blows, but he’s probably continuing to subvert the Constitution from the outside.

But then I really don’t know what makes these mutant humans tick.

Just sayin’.

“A small group of thoughtful people could change the world. Indeed, it’s the only thing that ever has.” - Margaret Mead

Like a nuclear attack on American soil that will immediately be blamed on Iran? Specifically, the Revolutionary Guard, which we designated as a terrorist group about a week ago?

But I still believe
And I will rise up with fists!!

If I got a dollar for every “We are gonna attack Iran” post - I’d be a millionaire by now.

Folks: It doesn’t matter how much Cheney et al want to attack Iran, it ain’t gonna happen.

Such an attack would be geo-political suicide.

So far, Iraq has worked out very well for the loyal Bushies. Bush is still in power, and all of them have their pasty white chickenhawk asses firmly planted in fancy chairs provided in the various winger think tanks. Plus the relevant corporate transhuman entities made and/or stole billions of dollars. So where is the “suicide,” exactly?

Or are you imagining these guys have the country’s best interests if not at heart, at least factored into their calculations?

Or that they care how many niggers and little people die?

We. Are. Going. To. Die. We must restore hope in the world. We must bring forth a new way of living that can sustain the world. Or else it is not just us who will die but everyone. What have we got to lose? Go forth and Fight!—Xan

Paul -V-, I sincerely hope you’re right, but what makes you think that this crew will not commit geo-political suicide ?

Are you perhaps saying that some other outside system will prevent Bush/Cheney from doing what they want ? If so, what outside system ?

when i first heard the news of rove’s departure. it doesn’t make me happy to read ray suggesting it has merit; he’s no fool. i don’t need to go foily for this to be disturbing.

This ’administration’ is co-opted and covertly co-ordinated by peopple/beings who WANT geo-political suicide. They want massive death and destruction. It feeds their power structures. The only process that has any power over this is one that will never be believed by the masses (now) and can be helped by everyone who wants to see happiness be shared by ALL beings. Remember that these ’people’ in the white house are really controlled by much darker forces than even Cheney could evey muster and the innate goodnes of every being Can stop them if the truths are acknowledged and then as direct and indirect groups, people share their Will more and more directly and indirectly, without fear and without attachment ; with Full Internal Focus their mechanism do stop.

spread your Grace whatever it is for the benefit of ALL

I don’t think Rove is at all about providing “spin”, though I think he’s much better at providing “dirty tricks”. I don’t think there would be a huge downside for him. I think the real reason is that these vermin keep showing up from one administration to the next. Rove just wants to wait out the tough times, the lame-duck low poll numbers times, so he can return, like in one of those Halloween movie sequels, to terrorize us again by being someone else’s toadie.

Froomkin’s chat:

Silver Spring, Md.:

Okay, Ari Fleischer and friends are starting up a new ad campaign to re-sell us the war. Everybody knows that the one they originally sold us turned out to be a quite different product than the promised “Mission Accomplished” version. Will it work?

washingtonpost.com:
Democrats Refocus Message on Iraq After Military Gains (Post, Aug. 22)

Dan Froomkin: Isn’t that something? Ari Fleischer is back!



Politico’s Mike Allen has more about the group.



See my answer above: I don’t think the public is so easily spun at this point.

They’re like rhizomes, these Republicans. You pull one up above ground, and under the surface they divide and put up two new shoots for the one you uprooted.

But what’s a good guy like Froomkin doing quoting Politico, anyhow?

We. Are. Going. To. Die. We must restore hope in the world. We must bring forth a new way of living that can sustain the world. Or else it is not just us who will die but everyone. What have we got to lose? Go forth and Fight!—Xan

The real reason to attack Iran is to stay in power - or keep the Republican party in power. They need a serious scare to get votes, or on the way outside, possibly to overthrow the present government. It’s a small step from president to king or emperor, and we all know how much the Bush Administration respects and reveres the Constitution. Perhaps Rove & Snow couldn’t stomach dismantling the present form of government.

Cromwell wanted to do it; Napoleon, Caesar, & Ptolemy did. If you want a worst-case scenario, it doesn’t have to be nuclear. Cheney always did want to be a kingmaker. Power corrupts; and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Long live Mad King George IV. :o/

See Shane-O and Digby on Digby on the American Family Council. They aren’t just trying to shove the Overton window right, they want to shove the whole building right the window’s in right into the next county. Thanks to the miracle of Google caching:

Exclusive: Conquering the Drawbacks of Democracy
Philip Atkinson

If President Bush copied Julius Caesar by ordering his army to empty Iraq of Arabs and repopulate the country with Americans, he would achieve immediate results: popularity with his military; enrichment of America by converting an Arabian Iraq into an American Iraq (therefore turning it from a liability to an asset); and boost American prestiege while terrifying American enemies.

He could then follow Caesar’s example and use his newfound popularity with the military to wield military power to become the first permanent president of America, and end the civil chaos caused by the continually squabbling Congress and the out-of-control Supreme Court.

President Bush can fail in his duty to himself, his country, and his God, by becoming “ex-president” Bush or he can become “President-for-Life” Bush: the conqueror of Iraq, who brings sense to the Congress and sanity to the Supreme Court. Then who would be able to stop Bush from emulating Augustus Caesar and becoming ruler of the world? For only an America united under one ruler has the power to save humanity from the threat of a new Dark Age wrought by terrorists armed with nuclear weapons.

Good to know.

We. Are. Going. To. Die. We must restore hope in the world. We must bring forth a new way of living that can sustain the world. Or else it is not just us who will die but everyone. What have we got to lose? Go forth and Fight!—Xan

Besides, no self-respecting redblooded American wants to move to Iraq anyway. But the wingnuts are looking for a place to put all those Mexicans who keep coming north…

My take is simple: Enough Democrats are in the tank now, and Rove is no longer necessary.

…for the rest of us