They just can't help themselves, can they?

I think I'll take up heavy drinking immediately.

BTW, my boyfriend is predicting that we're going to hear an unending list of "mate" jokes. Because you know, that's women's role in politics. It's not just Republicans who think that.

I may retract my very recent declaration "McCain Biden 08" and go with "McCain Palin 08."

Still reading on Sarah Palin. Any 'big dirt' or negatives yet?
Repro rights of concern to me, but a blue House and Senate should cancel that out (and, if they can't, it will be further evidence that they are as worthless as their anointed sock puppet).

Looks like a very wise move by McCain.
ZerObama's veep announcement bump turned into a slump.
This move might do the same to the expected convention bump.

I've noticed a slight drift in tone by some PUMA sites and enthusiasts -- spent hours yesterday rechecking my intuition. I've noticed occasional commentary that some attacks on Obama and the DNC are now thought to be passe or of not resonating enough, even though they are based on reality. This is not the time to back off. Save the internecine war for later. The 'Taylor Marsh model' doesn't work.

I know that it is a terrible feeling to sit out a party that you've waited eight years for. But, we were dis-invited, so hang tough. Right now, every miscreant in the DNC is thinking that they helped 'bitch slap'** the clintons. These are not the people I want to rub elbows with.

[** 'bitch slap': two words that I have never spoken or typed consecutively, and firmly believe should not be in our jargon -- here, I am referring to what I believe the creeps are thinking or saying -- you've heard it too, haven't you?]

Just so no one thinks I am a Republican troll or a Progressive with hurt feelings: 'clincher ... FISA vote ... Fourth Amendment' (big and bigger lists with links will be provided upon request).

You mean they really can't stop themselves?

They'll openly use the same rhetoric they did as Obamaoid trolls, during the Democratic Primary Campaign?

They'll hate on their VP candidate worse than the world did on Danny Quayle? Just because she's a skirt?

THEY'LL SHOOT THEIR CAMPAIGN IN THE FOOT AND SUPPRESS THEIR OWN TURNOUT AMONG REPUBLICAN WOMEN?

****Justice****

--i thought it would be Huckabee.

....it's the Democratic party in general. They are going after her for being a mayor of a small town and calling the choice 'political panic'.

Gee...what a great reaction to the choice right out of the gate. Let's enforce the idea that we don't like Women or rural America.

I think its an interesting choice and the best one to reshape the opinion of the republicans in the public eye. Certainly she'll help bring in the 'soccer mom vote.'

Palin also combats lobbyist-laden Biden by being above corruption (as far as politicians go) as she filed ethics complaints against people in her own party (something pretty ballsy in government contract Alaska).

She's way to the right of McCain. Anti-choice, and here's some info from Grist on her environmental record.

http://www.grist.org/news/2008/08/29/pal...

For me, it keeps coming back to Obama. He's created this mess by angering women. McCain figured the only woman his party would accept is a far rightwinger, so given McCain's age, Obama may have arranged for us to have a President as right-wing as GW Bush.

She'll scare me back to voting for Obama from staying home, I guess, but DAMN I'm angry. Over at Kos they're already making cracks like "Mcain wants to screw our CUNTRY." I hate my party, and hate being trapped like a rat by them.

You mean they really can’t stop themselves?

Well, they've been signaled that it's okay behavior.

I said months ago on another forum that -- unlike Donna Brazile on CNN, who simply laughed when Castellanos compared HRC to the family dog who finally had to be put down -- if some pundit were to attack a female GOP candidate that way, even in a hotly contested primary, in the presence of anyone in the party - even a supporter of an opponent, that GOP person would jump on the offending throat immediately and start tearing away. As they should.

And there would be followup. Lots and lots of relentless followup.

But from the DNC? Oh, yeah, Dean said the sexism all came from cable news, which he wasn't watching anyway SO THERE.

Hey, Democrats! It's called teamwork, and it breeds success. Even for evil people like the GOP.

Over at Kos they’re already making cracks like “Mcain wants to screw our CUNTRY.”

I detest the Great Orange Satan as much as any grown up liberal with real world concerns and people to take care of, but when I see stuff that raw, I just assume I'm reading a troll.

The next 2 months are going to be "fun". My suggestions?

* Learn to filter.

* Demand attribution.

* Don't let some jerky jerks on the Internet make you mad at the candidate they happen to worship (or support the one they detest, for that matter).

Your date on November 4 DOES NOT involve Internet trolls. THEY will not be in the voting booth, and THEY will not be in the Oval Office in January.

Dems just can't help themselves on any front. Folks who actually live in small town America won't react well to the Democrat's first statement (when are they going to get that virtually everything that comes out of their mouths sounds condescending to most of the U.S. anyway, even if they're talking about the weather? It's too bad they can't make money off it, because it's quite a talent).

But even for all those not-small-town Americans, that was a poor choice for criticism. The mythology of this country is that we were created as a nation of farmers; there's a romanticism that rural and small townsfolk are more real, more down to earth, less corrupt, and more just plain folks, even among city-dwellers. Oops.

Then throw into the mix -- Alaska is the last frontier. It's tough living up there, and Palin has a repuation as tough gal. I'd not argue that as a country we are especially tough, in any genuine true way, but we sure like to think of ourselves that way.

Were small town folks already under the bus? If not, I have some Welcome Baskets to work on...

...was snagged reading and commenting at DailyKOS while covering Obama's "big speech" for MessNBC last night.
That's pretty pathetic. It really shows the reason why Obamamann is short circuiting.

http://www.olbermannwatch.com/archives/2...

Words to live by, starting at 5:30 into the clip.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zV6ok0m-hgs

Jeralyn over at TL, who is 100% behind Obama, did the age-ism/sexism two-fer

A first term Governor from Alaska with only a year in the job? McCain now has no "ready to lead" argument to use against Obama. It was his best one. He may be ready to lead, but given his age, we have to consider whether his veep pick is.

This is a woman who is supporting an UNQUALIFIED person for president without reservations --- questioning the qualifications of a woman for the VP spot? Can you say "double standard?"

And then she throws in the "age" stuff?

I've always suspected that the reason why Clinton was so viciously attacked by progressives Obots was because they knew, on a rational level, that their support of Obama made no sense -- so they had to create a "demon Hillary" who had nothing to do with the real Hillary to justify their choice.

jeralyn proves that this is the case. Palin is a marvellous pick for Obama in a host of ways -- not the least of which she confirms what I'd suspected.... that the John McCain of the Bush years was a GOP loyalist because he wanted to be president, and its the John McCain who ran for President in 2000 that would be President if he won.

And Obama's inexperience isn't what makes him someone that I could not support -- its his inexperience combined with his hubris/narcissism. That's a deadly combination in any position of responsibility. An inexperienced person is likely to make mistakes through lack of knowledge....an inexperienced narcissist is likely to insist upon making mistakes even after he gets some knowledge, and won't learn from his mistakes.

An inexperienced person is likely to make mistakes through lack of knowledge….an inexperienced narcissist is likely to insist upon making mistakes even after he gets some knowledge, and won’t learn from his mistakes.

Calm down. You're acting as if you've had eight years experience with such a situation... Oh, wait.

Can somebody direct me to an explanation? I have no clue what that means.

"The only explanation I can think of is that both Kos and the Obama campaign are happy with the outcomes, and so have no intention of reining anyone in."

This is why I held it against Obama personally when his fan base waged their war. I am positive there were at least a few campaign workers whose sole job was to monitor blog comments.

gyrfalcon--COLB is certificate of live birth--the controversy over whether Obama had forged an American birth certificate using his sister's. Cannonfire refuted this, but it keeps coming up again and is a dumb attack line, in my opinion. Plenty to dislike without grasping at straws.

old91A10--a good alternative is "smack down"--the young menz love their sports metaphors.

I've stopped reading TL as of that announcement, but it was certainly true that it was an important haven during the primary.

They've expressed a wish to get back to their real mission, which is crime and law, moreso than horseraces, and I look forward to heading back to TL once all this dust has settled, and that unique and interesting content returns.

Is McCain/Palin going to be bad for women's issues? Probably*. Will Obama/Biden be better for women's issues? Probably**

But what McCain's pick does is give the impression that he respects women. Ultimately, the blue collar workers who do vote GOP*** seem to feel respected by the GOP more than the Dems. Perhaps this show of respect is enough to offset the problems on the issues.

* I'm becoming more and more convinced that McCain isn't going to be nearly as bad as people say. In fact, I think his political enemies will probably have more of a voice.

** I don't know where Obama will be. Biden may not be the best, but I trust his consistency. I'm not sure that will be enough to contain Obama blunders and flip-flops on the issues.

*** It seems to me that red state working classers are less likely to vote GOP than wealthy liberals like to admit. If they admitted their ignorance, they would do better than they already are. (Lower income red-staters vote Dem just as much as lower income blue-staters!)

I don’t care if it “works” or “this is important.”

One COULD take the generous position that the Zombie Talking Points provide the vetting that Nancy and Deanie and Harry refused to do.

(And while on the subject, did we ever certify that this is a "genuine" PUMA problem? Yes, I'm sure that lots of GOP ratf*ckers have insinuated themselves into the PUMAverse, but, there seems to be plenty of Puma content out there where these shenanigans aren't a significant part of the traffic, or where a lot of PUMAs want to be. Sites differ, of course, but doesn't this unfairly lump your Confluences and your Anglachels in with lesser lights (your NQs and your LRs)???).

Anglachel is not a PUMA. Cannonfire is a PUMA and is great and not truthy. NQ is PUMA and a lost cause. Confluence is great overall but can get truthy in detail.

Yeah, rigorous sourcing is definitely the order of the day, no matter who you are. I don't know how people don't see that after the Dan Rather/font thingy.

I didn't really want to end up pissing in my own stream, so I chose to not "register" anywhere, and have resisted $$ contributions, but I do read and enjoy (or not) sites as credibility rises and falls.

Clearly, given your list of corrections, a lot of these boundaries and intersecting sets are still blurry in my own mind. Perhaps it's past time for PB to start grading truthy memes for their ratf*cking risk.

Folks, I am not a part of PUMA, though I have a lot of sympathy for their stance and agree with a number of their issues.

I am a Clinton Democrat. Period.

Anglachel

When? Link?

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Around these parts we call cucumber slices circle bites

It's long past time for me to realize that it's a big ol' infrastructure now, and not just a conceptual framework of dissatisfaction.

Speaking of HRC, I finally had to take the round, blue "Hillary" sticker off my brief case this week.

(Still got some buttons in a drawer if anything happens. :)

http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/8/28/...

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As to commenters here:

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In her defense, law and justice is her beat, and in her view:

A Republican-led Justice Department and a Supreme Court with another right-wing ideologue would be the worst possible outcome for me.

So I have no criticism of the decision. I'm just probably not going to be hanging out there for a while, is all.

where to go and what else to do.

Just give me the house policy straight, and don't lie to me when it changes or about the reason why a purge begins.

With Sarah Palin's pick, McCain has shown he is willing to work for my vote. Obama and the Democrats, on the other hand, seem out to test how much abuse I can tolerate. Well, I have reached my limit with Biden. After lambasting Hillary for casting the AUMF vote, where does Obama get off picking Biden who not only voted for AUMF but was a very vocal supporter of the war. Not to mention Biden's execrable treatment of Anita Hill during Clarence Thomas' confirmation hearings which paved the way for Thomas.

I used to call myself a Clinton Democrat too, but guess what? There will be no Clinton on the ballot, and I am not in the mood to waste my vote. So, from here on out I'm a McCain Democrat.