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Thomas Muthee's "Seven Mountains" and coded messages

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Today's diary is--and yes, I know, this is a shocker--NOT going to be about Sarah Palin. At least, not directly. This is more towards some of her supporters...and especially in light of Palin throwing stones whilst in a glass house re the Jeremiah Wright controversy, a deeper look is warranted into one group Palin is associated with in particular.

The truth is, Palin's stealth candidacy is but a single symptom of a much larger problem--much as a wound that won't heal is often indicative of the cancer beneath. And so it is here--as we'll get into in the coming weeks, Palin is actually a rook in what amounts to a high-stakes national game of chess that the Joel's Army movement is playing with the rest of America.

Today, we focus on some statements that were made with Thomas Muthee's "annointing" of Palin as governor--yes, that Thomas Muthee, the infamous Kenyan witch-hunter who spoke at Palin's supposed former congregation--and how he actually revealed much of what amounts to a longterm strategy by Joel's Army groups to steeplejack the country...and society.

First, some backgrounder

Hopefully, this will explain to some extent just why I've got such a concern here, but in order to discuss this, some background info is necessary.

A great deal of my own personal concern regarding Palin's candidacy is because she does still appear to be an active member of a particularly coercive movement that I myself am a walkaway from--namely, the Joel's Army segment of what I term "neopentecostal dominionism", a particular "Christian nationalist" ideology that had its origins in but is by no means restricted to the Assemblies. (If anything, it is now in a process of metastasis to even some mainstream churches--Episcopalian and Roman Catholic churches in particular being explicitly targeted via "cell churches".)

Of note, this is an evolving movement, and partly because of this and partly because of the fact that the movement tends to reinvent itself whenever bad press comes out, there is not really a standardised name for the movement even among its own practitioners. (The term "Joel's Army" itself has largely gone out of favour within the movement, replaced by things like "Joshua Generation" and "Elijah's Army" and such--largely because of bad press specifically re "Joel's Army" in apologetics circles.) It's also a coercive religious movement that has had very little formalised study of any kind; until fairly recently, the only people really writing about these groups were Sara Diamond and Skipp Porteous (both of whom have largely retired from research on Christian nationalism as a whole), and even exit counseling groups have only recognised in the past five years that many of these groups use the same systematic forms of control as better-known coercive religious groups like Scientology or the Moonies. (In fact, some indications are that these groups may be among the most coercive groups yet documented--particularly worrisome in light of their extremism.)

"Ruth", who is one of the few people (besides myself, Bruce Wilson, Chris Rodda, and Jeff Sharlet) who actively specialise in research of neopentecostal dominionism, has done an excellent series on both Palin's churches and the modern outbreak of this sort of thing (I myself would argue that the problem is far more extensive within the Assemblies and has had a habit of remission and flareup over a 60-70 year period, but she is concentrating on the worst bits of things, and some of it may not have been so obvious to people not in the movement--I've seen apologetics researchers note this too). Her first article notes the theological basis in "third wave" neopentecostalism, with the followup focusing on Rodney Howard-Browne being a major vector of Joel's Army theology and her most recent article being clarifications to writers that this is in fact an extremist movement not identical to "old school" pentecostalism and noting further info regarding Palin's churches and Joel's Army theology. In particular, she also has a very good post regarding a subtle form of anti-Semitism increasingly promoted in Joel's Army circles, including by Muthee--the concept of "fishers" and specifically "hunters" essentially herding Jewish people to Israel as a form of divinely-ordained ghettoisation.

Bruce Wilson, who's also been doing impressive research on this for quite some time, also has been performing an extremely valuable service--it's been said that a picture can tell a thousand words, and if this is true, video can tell even more of a story. Wilson, along with the site Irregular Times, has been doing the primary video documentation of the extensive linkages between Palin and "Joel's Army"--including a mini-documentary consisting of clips from Wasilla A/G in particular that were later scrubbed from their site, some of the earlier documentation of Muthee's call for infiltration, and the usual explanation that Joel's Army theology is an extremist movement.

In fact, Wilson's videos have riled up neopente dominionists sufficiently that an astroturf campaign was launched to try to remove Wilson's initial documentary from Youtube--bogus complaints claiming "inappropriate content" were sent to Youtube, in a remarkably similar manner to how Scientology has tried to get videos critical of the group pulled (only instead of filing DMCA complaints, the astroturfers apparently tried to label it as "inappropriate"--against Youtube's acceptable use policy, either for banned content (hate speech) or mislabeled adult material--probably in an attempt to get the posting accounts themselves yanked).

As for myself and my own background info, pretty much the first page of my diary should work, but I would also recommend specifically as backgrounder info re the use of the NIV in "Joel's Army" circles as well as a history of neopentecostal dominionist theology and info on two very specific coercive tactics that become very important in any discussion on neopente dominionism and "Joel's Army" in particular--the concepts of deliverance ministry and cell churches, in particular their uses in breeding "cuckoo congregations" and their historical use in Joel's Army groups. (As an aside, Paul Yonggi Cho has been a very underappreciated figure in the spread of this theology, in particular within the Assemblies.)

Until I get a formalised "bestiary of Christian Nationalism" together as well as a future chronological timeline of Palin's involvement with these groups (she's dared to invoke the Jeremiah Wright thing, nut her own connections with Joel's Army groups are far more damning put into chronological context--and this includes some involvements that have not as of yet been widely publicised), this is your homework reading for today's post. :D Trust me--it makes the following much easier to understand. If nothing else, start with Ruth's and Wilson's work; it is necessary backgrounder for what we're about to discuss.

Coded messages in Muthee's speech

As I had noted in a previous post, I had reported on how Irregular Times had posted the full transcript of Palin's "blessing" by Thomas Muthee. Space unfortunately prohibited me from going into a discussion on how a great deal of Muthee's talk was essentially a coded message to the Joel's Army community--something I hope to rectify in this post.

The relevant parts of the transcript are as follows:

In a moment, I’ll be asking you that we pray for Sarah, and I’ll tell you the reason why. When we talk about transformation of a community, we are talking about God invading seven areas in our society. Let me repeat that one more time. When we talk about transformation of a society, a community, it’s where we see God’s Kingdom infiltrate, influence seven areas in our society.

Number one is the spiritual aspect of our society. Mainly, the church for a long has just concentrated on that dimension, whereby we simply want people saved, we want them to go to heaven, we want them delivered, and that’s it. But I’ll tell you something: if all we do is come to the church and get people saved and then they go, I don’t think much will happen in our society.

So the second area whereby God wants to penetrate in our society is in the economic area. The Bible says the wealth of the wicked is stored up for the righteous. It is high time that we have top Christian businessmen, businesswomen, bankers, you know, who are men and women of integrity, running the economics of our nations. That’s what we are waiting for. That’s part and parcel of transformation. If you look at the Israelites, you know, that’s how they won. And that’s how they are, even today. When we will see that, you know, the talk transport us in the lands. We see, you know, the bankers. We see the people holding the paths. They are believers. We will not have the kind of corruption that we are hearing in our societies.

So we go to the third area, it’s in the area of politics. Tell your neighbor, “politics.” Do you know what I discovered? This is funny. The people who actually split churches, they have the gift of politics, but they are exercising it in the wrong place. That’s what I came to know. There are people who are wired to politics because God wants to take the political, you know, dimension of our societies. And those people should be prayed for. That’s why I was, you know, I was so glad to see Sarah here. We should pray for her, we should back her up. And, you know, come the day of voting, we should be there, not just praying, we should be there. And I’m saying this because that’s what I’m telling our church. I’m telling them that we need this in Parliament. In here is what you call Congressmen, you know, you know, the, the Governors, we need the bretheren right inside there. Is anybody hearing me?

You know, because who will change the laws of the lands? The problem is do we just pray, but we do nothing about it. If the believers had not done something in this country, your president would not be in office today. Yes or no? Am I right?

Number three, or number four, it’s the area of education. We need believers who are educationists. If we had them, today we would not be talking about the Ten Commandments being kicked out of the church, I mean out of our schools. They would still be there. One of the things that you, you know, I would love you to know, I’m a child of revival of the Seventies, and that revival swept through the schools. They are open to preaching, you know, open. Open. Wide open. You go to any school, there is what we call Christian Union. Christian Union is nothing more but a bunch of kids that are born again, spirit-filled, tongue-talking, devil-casting. Is anybody hearing me? All over the country! Is anybody hearing me?

We need God taking over our education system! Otherwise, we, if we have God in our schools, we will not have kids being taught, you know, how to worship Buddha, how to worship Mohammed, we will not have in the curriculum witchcraft and sorcery. Is anybody hearing me?

The other area is in the area of media. We need believers in the media. We need God taking over the media in our lands. Otherwise we will not have all the junk coming out of, you know, coming out of the media. And not only that, we need God t___ [period of silence in video]. Why can’t we have our living church in Hollywood? Guess what will happen. If we have a living church right in Hollywood, we would not have all the kind of pornography that we are having. Is anybody hearing me?

And the last area is in the area of government. Hello? We need believers there. We need men and women of integrity. You know, as the Secretaries of State. We need them right there. People that are born again, spirit filled, people who know God, and people who are serious with God.

Interestingly, there are areas where this very sequence has shown up before--Muthee himself is quoting from another Joel's Army promoter, one Lance Wallnau (who works as a motivational speaker in neopente dominionist circles). And, as we'll see today and tomorrow, Wallnau is far from the only Joel's Army cheerleader using this specific terminology.

After finding reference to "Seven Mountains" in one of "Ruth's" posts (in which she includes a video from Wallnau himself, I did some digging and was able to find info on a seminar where Lance Wallnau referred to an almost identical set of planned points for takeover of the country, Joel's Army-style:

What are the Seven Mountains?

The seven mountains are seven spheres of influence that make up the mind molders that control Nations. He who occupies these mountains controls the harvest. As Satan gains power over these mountains he increases his capacity for “Mind Control.” That’s the spiritual force that inclines whole people groups to think along the same pathway. It is the phenomenon that explains sudden trends in fashion or music. It works to turn whole continents against each other and will be used to facilitate global wars. Mind Control will increase as the Last Days speeds toward a conclusion.

Here are the Seven Mountains or Mind Molders:

1. Spirituality and Church
2. Family
3. Education
4. Government and Law
5. Media and Communication
6. Arts and Entertainment
7. Business and Finance

World Rulers of Darkness operate through people. Their goal is to penetrate key strategic positions at the tops of the mountains, and to populate these positions with people who will become gatekeepers to their foul agendas. A small group in control of Media with a homosexual bias can put on programs that make the Gay lifestyle appealing and entertaining. This media pummeling has the effect of softening minds to the issues of morality and creates intolerance for moral absolutes regarding sexual purity and a false tolerance for perversion.

Mind Molders work together in order to accomplish the strategies of the devil. This year alone, the family (Family Mountain) has come under assault by government legislatures (Government Mountain) in the State of Massachusetts to recognize that the union of a man and a woman is a thing of the past. Men now marry men and woman marry woman. Simultaneous with this, education (another mountain) chartered a school in New York to honor those students with a homosexual preference.

Abortion and Pornography are coming through this same gate at a rate that is barely keeping up with the number of marriages falling apart and the number of men and youth who are becoming addicted to sex on the internet.

The same strategy to leverage the power of mind molders is now being worked out by the spirit of Anti Christ in Europe. “Anti” means against or “instead of” - and “Christ” means “anointing”. Therefore it is the name of a spirit that opposes Christians and seeks an alternative anointing. The World Ruler of Islam has so successfully joined with the spirit of Anti Christ in Europe that America is now the most hated country and George Bush in particular is now the number one most hated leader in Europe.

This, less than one generation after young Americans spilled blood to liberate our friends from the tyranny of Hitler’s war machine. How can this happen? Again, it’s called end time mind control. The manipulation and infection of the hearts and minds of people in mass through the mind molders. By the way, what is the number one thing Europeans most dislike about the President? His piety, they don’t like the fact that he is a praying Christian!

Remember, Anti Christ is anti anointing. Europeans aren’t against all prayer. They don’t mind Muslims praying three times a day toward Mecca. This explains why a land where churches once dominated the landscape is now laced with golden domed Mosques dotting the horizon. This and the sudden rise of the European economy as their currency surpasses the U.S. dollar make all those who are afraid of being “Left Behind” nervous. But God has a plan- “Go into the entire world, all its systems, its mind molders and its Nations and infiltrate the world with My power and teaching. Don’t run and don’t hide.

Go through the door of globalization- world economics- and while it is yet day, while opportunity exists, penetrate these nations and systems with a demonstration of a belief system that has superior power and results. This is what Daniel did in Babylon and what Joseph did in Egypt. This is a large part of the reason why God is blowing on the marketplace message in this hour. This is a day where third world nations are asking for help, and developing nations are seeking to trade. The window is wide open to the church to impact the world. Opportunity is everywhere.

The anointing and the spirit of wisdom will give you access to people and places that will be altered by the covert and overt application of these commands. That’s right- you can be covert! One friend of mine is transforming entire schools and businesses by applying certain key commandments to his client’s lives and systems. They are not even aware of the degree to which their organizations are being aligned with the teachings of Christ. All they know is that it’s working. In schools the students are getting better grades and discipline problems are on the decline. In business the people are starting to work like real teams and treating each other with respect. Companies are prospering. It works!

The 50 Commandments of Christ are the key to transforming your home, community and business. Memorize them. Meditate upon them. Ask the Holy Spirit for illumination on how to apply them to your life. Expect God to put His divine favor upon you. Favor takes you to the top of the mountains. Be full of the Holy Spirit and you will break the power of Mind Control off of every system you invade.

(Emphasis mine. Apologies for the huge quote, but it is needed in context.)

This is one of those rare areas you do get to see "Joel's Army, Unleaded". Namely, note the extensive demonisation of Europe and Europeans--this does play into "Joel's Army" endtime theology, most variants of which increasingly promote Europe as being (at best) a vassal state of Russia if not the home of the Antichrist itself. (The former is more common among groups that base their endtime theology more heavily on the "old" Scofield Reference Bible.) This is in turn tied to *other* conspiracy theories common in Joel's Army circles--namely, that Moslems and LGBT people are part of a vast Satanic conspiracy to undermine the US (which is seen as God's chosen nation along with Israel). Scott Lively's works, actively promoted by "Joel's Army" hategroup Watchmen At The Walls and many other Joel's Army groups, actively integrate this into a particularly nasty form of Holocaust revisionism in which some of the persons who were in fact victims of ha-Shoah are portrayed as its instigators...only with the word "Jew" replaced with "Homosexual".

The orders do tend to vary, but there are common references to "seven benchholds" or "seven mountains" or "seven spheres" in quite a lot of Joel's Army groups. The "seven points" are pretty much a common staple in describing essentially a plan for massive steeplejacking of what these groups see as the very foundations of human society.

Even Wallnau wasn't the ultimate originator of this. The term goes much deeper--at least one site critical of Joel's Army notes a possible derivation from a Coalition on Revival document--but the linkages are especially clear in regards to Joel's Army circles. Quite possibly the most damning of these is the fact that Wallnau's primary partner in promoting the "seven mountains" meme is none other than C. Peter Wagner--regarded, along with Rick Joyner and Rodney Howard-Browne, as one of the literal "founding fathers" of Joel's Army:

Lance Wallnau, who is now working with C. Peter Wagner on a global dominionism project using the motif of 7 mountains (or "spheres"), has proposed a strategy whereby-

"a very small minority of people. . . as small as 3-5% . . . can control how the agenda works in a nation and thus create or dominate the culture.

"He also makes a rather shocking statement....

"He says leaders of countries are not looking for Christian solutions to their cultural problems. But what they ARE looking for represents a *massive* time-sensitive opportunity for Christians to have a platform to impact and disciple entire countries of our world today." [Os Hillman, "Weekly Resource Offer," June 18]

Hillman turns out to be connected to a Joel's Army group called "Reclaim 7 Mountains". Per this site, two groups that have been consistently linked with Joel's Army theology--the Assemblies frontgroup Youth With A Mission and the "Assemblies conjoined twin" Campus Crusade for Christ--are credited with the idea and in fact Youth With A Mission may have been the ultimate originators based on an interview with YWAM founder Loren Cunningham, who (along with Campus Crusade founder Bill Bright) in turn plagairised it from TV preacher Dr. Francis Schaeffer back in 1975:

It was August, 1975. My family and I were up in a little cabin in Colorado. And the Lord had given me that day a list of things I had never thought about before. He said “This is the way to reach America and nations for God. And {He said}, “You have to see them like classrooms or like places that were already there, and go into them with those who are already working in those areas.” And I call them “mind-molders” or “spheres”. I got the word “spheres” from II Corinthians 10 where Paul speaks in the New American Standard about the “spheres” he had been called into. And with these spheres there were seven of them, and I’ll get to those in a moment. But it was a little later that day, the ranger came up, and he said, “There is a phone call for you back at the ranger’s station.” So I went back down, about 7 miles, and took the call. It was a mutual friend who said, “Bill Bright and Vonnette are in Colorado at the same time as you are. Would you and Darlene come over and meet with them? They would love to meet with you.” So we flew over to Boulder on a private plane of a friend of ours. And as we came in and greeted each other, {we were friends for quite a while}, and I was reaching for my yellow paper that I had written on the day before. And he said, “Loren, I want to show you what God has shown me!” And it was virtually the same list that God had given me the day before. Three weeks later, my wife Darlene had seen Dr. Francis Shaffer on TV and he had the same list! And so I realized that this was for the body of Christ.

I gave it for the first time in Hamburg, Germany at the big cathedral there to a group of hundreds of young people that had gathered at that time. And I said, “These are the areas that you can go into as missionaries. Here they are: First, it’s the institution set up by God first, the family. After the family was church, or the people of God. The third was the area of school, or education. The fourth was media, public communication, in all forms, printed and electronic. The fifth was what I call “celebration”, the arts, entertainment, and sports, where you celebrate within a culture. The sixth would be the whole area of the economy, which starts with innovations in science and technology, productivity, sales, and service. The whole area we often call it business but we leave out sometimes the scientific part, which actually raises the wealth of the world. Anything new, like making sand into chips for a microchip, that increases wealth in the world. And then of course prediction sales and service helps to spread the wealth. And so the last was the area of government. Now government, the Bible shows in Isaiah 33 verse 22 that there are three branches of government, so it’s all of the three branches: judicial, legislative, and executive. And then there are subgroups under all of those seven groups. And there are literally thousands upon thousands of sub-groups. But those seven can be considered like Caleb: “Give me this mountain,” and they can be a “mountain” to achieve for God.

There's some evidence Bright also plagairised from a secondary source--a neo-Calvinist Abraham Kuyper--indicating some of the more interesting influences in the Joel's Army movement outside of neopentecostalism.

In short, the concept of "Seven Mountains" is in fact quite possibly the ultimate extension of what has been termed "spiritual mapping" in Joel's Army circles. The earliest references I can find to this practice are in some Assemblies fronts (FGBMFI and Youth With A Mission) as well as quasi-front/"Assemblies daughter" Campus Crusade for Christ; the general concept is that these groups map out "spiritual strongholds of Satan" to focus "spiritual warfare" on.

The concept of "spiritual mapping" has led to some rather bizarre incidents. One of the more infamous examples of "spiritual mapping" in action was documented by Jeff Sharlet in his article Soldiers of Christ, originally appearing in Harper's:

So Pastor Ted did. First, he started a church in his basement. The pulpit was three five-gallon buckets stacked one atop the other, and the pews were lawn chairs. A man who lived in a trailer came round if he remembered it was Sunday and played guitar. Another man got the Spirit and filled a fivegallon garden sprayer with cooking oil and began anointing nearby intersections, then streets and buildings all over town. Pastor Ted told his flock to focus their prayers on houses with FOR SALE signs so that more Christians would come and join him. Once Pastor Ted and another missionary accidentally set off an alarm and hid together in a field while the police investigated. It was for a good cause, Pastor Ted would say; they were praying for the building to be taken off the market so it could someday be purchased for a future ministry. (It was.)

He was always on the lookout for spies. At the time, Colorado Springs was a small city split between the Air Force and the New Age, and the latter, Pastor Ted believed, worked for the devil. Pastor Ted soon began upsetting the devil’s plans. He staked out gay bars, inviting men to come to his church; his whole congregation pitched itself into invisible battles with demonic forces, sometimes in front of public buildings.

Even in this American example, the bizarre shortly went to the frankly disturbing, crossing over in some aspects to frank harassment:

He moved the church to a strip mall. There was a bar, a liquor store, New Life Church, a massage parlor. His congregation spilled out and blocked the other businesses. He set up chairs in the alley. He strung up a banner: SIEGE THIS CITY FOR ME, signed JESUS. He assigned everyone in the church names from the phone book they were to pray for. He sent teams to pray in front of the homes of supposed witches—in one month, ten out of fifteen of his targets put their houses on the market. His congregation “prayer-walked” nearly every street of the city.

This was, of note, in addition to a claim by now-defrocked Ted Haggard that a "witch" had tried to assassinate him:

One day, while he was working in his garage, a woman who said she’d been sent by a witches’ coven tried to stab Pastor Ted with a five-inch knife she pulled from a leg sheath; Pastor Ted wrestled the blade out of her hand. He let that story get around. He called the evil forces that dominated Colorado Springs—and every other metropolitan area in the country—“Control.”

Such narratives, unfortunately, are not isolated. One of the more modern--and now distinctly more infamous--examples of this surrounds Thomas Muthee himself, who in the same speech claimed to have conducted a remarkably similar campaign of harassment of a traditional healer in his Kenyan home base including police harassment. Leaders of El Shaddai Church in Guatemala City--another church connected to not only Joel's Army but proteges of former junta leader (and genocide architect, and Verbo Ministries pastor) Gen. Rios Montt--have also issued almost identical calls for destruction of Guatemala's pre-Columbian heritage (especially disturbing, considering their connections with dominionist juntas where an estimated 200,000 Mayans died).

The main difference here is that the scale is bigger, in that the "seven mountains" in question are seen as seven pillars of society that must be conquered. Religious diversity and protections are seen as the enemy, as an article describing the links between El Shaddai and "Joel's Army" founding father C. Peter Wagner demonstrates:

"Christians in the global South are way ahead of us in this area," C. Peter Wagner, founder of Global Harvest Ministries and head of the International Coalition, told Charisma magazine. "The values of the kingdom of God should penetrate every level of society, and they understand that.... [Caballeros is] doing it right, going right to the top and taking dominion."

Wagner's Web site is loaded with standard right-wing political material, including attacks on church-state separation. Last year he called on followers to "Ask the Lord to remove the lie of 'Separation of Church and State' from this nation's governmental philosophy and from Believers' mindsets! There is no such language in the Constitution."

And the ultimate goal, in Joel's Army circles?

To quote Pinky and the Brain, "Try to take over the world".

And we discuss this in much more detail in tomorrow's post...as the implications are disturbing indeed.

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Submitted by lambert on

Thanks!

[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win. -- Mahatma Gandhi

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Submitted by Damon on

Either that, or a not-so-fun game of Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon. Isn't conspiracy theory fun, guys?

Question, how many stealth dominionists does it take to screw in a lightbulb? Judging by this, a helluva lot of them.

But, we've always been at war with Eastasia...

Submitted by lambert on

Try it...

[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win. -- Mahatma Gandhi

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Submitted by tartu on

that Palin supports them. They support Palin and what they see in her for certain. Farrakhan supports Obama, does it mean by extension that Obama supports Farrakhan?

Let's take a not so hypothetical situation. Researcher's paper gets used as evidence to support a position of an organization that researchers disagrees with. The organization completely ignores that methods used to obtain the results and researchers further papers will never pass organization's own muster. Does it mean that the researcher now approves the position?

Submitted by lambert on

Military Religious Freedom Foundation.

If you want to have your eyes opened about how Christianists pervert the ordinary structures of civil society for proselytization, that's an excellent place to start (DamonMI).

[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win. -- Mahatma Gandhi

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Submitted by Damon on

I went to a Christianist school and knew/know Dominionists. Perhaps, wisdom really doesn't come with age...

But, we've always been at war with Eastasia...

Submitted by lambert on

(Seriously -- and I don't know the language, so I like having it explained to me.)

And all the more reason for you to write the analysis and do the takedown, eh?

[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win. -- Mahatma Gandhi

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Submitted by old91A10 on

"Palin’s stealth candidacy ... actually a rook in what amounts to a high-stakes national game of chess that the Joel’s Army movement [JAm] is playing with the rest of America."

Ergo, at least some members of McCain's VP selection committee, perhaps even JSM himself are a party to this? Name them.

"... movement that I myself [Dogemperor] am a walkaway from...."

woo-woo-woo-woo.

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Submitted by bringiton on

Very thorough and a good pace, well suited for those who are willing to learn.

The links are essential background for understanding; without them the rest of this argument can seem like a loose association. With a full understanding of the available evidence it is abundantly clear to me that Sarah Palin is indeed a hard-core Dominionist as well as a secessionist; the mountain of proof is so high that it is bewildering to see any dismissal.

Hillary's prayer group has been a worry to me for some time, but I've become convinced that she is using them and not the other way around. She would be a great catch, wouldn't she? Likely they'll do just about anything to keep her coming round. Haven't seen any obvious evidence of her being taken over, neither speech nor behavior, but she has used the Senate Prayer Club members to advance her legislative goals. Could be wrong but I see Hillary as by far the brightest bulb in that string, and the one exercising control.

Submitted by lambert on

but I think there's enough to be troubling (and not in a fake Beltway "troubling" way, either. The Christianists at the Air Force Academy give me the creeps, and these guys sound worse than that).

[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win. -- Mahatma Gandhi

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Submitted by bringiton on

The Christianist movement within the military, specifically within the Air Force, is very much under Dominionist sway. Here's one reference documenting Dominionists as paid speakers at the Air Force Acadamy.

Here's a longish piece about General Boykin - yes, THAT General Boykin - and his Dominionist ties. The thing about Boykin is that he isn't the one who worries me; I'm more afraid of who ever it was that pushed him up the ranks.

No question he's a completely dedicated and brave military man, but other than one year at the Army's War College '90-'91 he had no formal military leadership and tactical training. How does someone fanatically religious whose major skill seems to be eagerly torturing and killing people and getting away with it become United States Deputy Undersecretary of Defense for Intelligence? Friends in high places - very high places.

And finally, here's one to really give you the willies, dedicated to infiltrating and taking over both the military and law enforcement.

Put the launch codes in the hands of someone like Sarah Palin and we will be just a Tom Lehrer song away from Armageddon.

Submitted by hipparchia on

when that first made the rounds a few months ago, it really upset me, thinking i'd pitched my feminist tent in very much the wrong camp, and it swayed a few of my undecided religion-free friends from hillary to obama. ok, maybe more than a few.

but judging by the dominionists around me [plus, we still have one or two secessionists here] she just does not talk like one, nor does her legislation reflect any such leanings that i can see.

hillary does, however, have a good understanding of power, ans where it lies, and how it works, so i'm convinced she's using them, rather than the other way around.

sarah palin otoh, i could probably take her with me next time i go visit my snakehandler relatives in the foothills of the appalachians.

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Submitted by badger on

is the one in Zillah, WA (a little south of Yakima). It is, of course, the Assembly of God, Zillah.

You can look it up.

Submitted by lambert on

You could have saved it for Friday joke exchange...

[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win. -- Mahatma Gandhi

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Submitted by Damon on

...and not even a mention of the Bilderberg Group? Some's slipping.

Really, though, if I wanted to see No Quarter-style blogging I'd go to No Quarter. This shit wasn't funny, cute, or informative when done to Obama, and it isn't any different when done to anyone else. Again, this kind of research reeks of the "Obama is a Secret Muslim" style of research. If you liked the "Obama is a Secret Muslim" tabloid trash, you'd love the "Palin/Clinton is a Stealth Dominionist" trash. These are the Paris Hiltons of news stories.

But, we've always been at war with Eastasia...

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Submitted by Damon on

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But, we've always been at war with Eastasia...

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Submitted by Damon on

Ok, then. It's the oppresive filter. Just what I thought.

But, we've always been at war with Eastasia...

Submitted by lambert on

Remember all the "P____ H____" sex videos that are being sold? That's what triggered this one.

I may experiment with turning the filters off in the next release, after I improve Captcha. But for now, occassionally being queued is the price you pay for clean threads. You can call that "oppressive." Personally, I think it's a service to readers.

[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win. -- Mahatma Gandhi

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Submitted by Damon on

It seems to have a mind of its own. In fact, I went back and took out the vowels in everything I thought the filter was blocking and it still didn't give, and I did this about three times.

But, we've always been at war with Eastasia...

Submitted by Paul_Lukasiak on

...does this stuff much better, and leaves out the moronic Palin-conspiracy theory stuff.

Submitted by lambert on

Stopped reading him, with great regret, when Sarah went gooey-eyed over The Precious. Should I start again?

[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win. -- Mahatma Gandhi

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Submitted by Damon on

what I want to respond to, and what I don't. The Christianists/Dominionists shit does not interest me specifically because of how overblown it is, as is the shitty Black Liberation/Muslim angle with Obama. My only interest in it is reminding everyone how silly taking these angles are. Seriously? No, you're not.

But, we've always been at war with Eastasia...

Submitted by hipparchia on

the two areas that i'm most concerned about are [1] the use of 'alternative boot camps' in the juvenile justice system, and [2] the growing number of pharmacist, nurses, paramedics, etc who seem to be purposely going into these fields expressly to be able to invoke their rights to 'conscience clauses' against providing birth control and abortion.