An extremely tepid Obama voter I am, and extremely tepid I remain:
A Thursday afternoon meeting between Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., and other members of the Congressional Black Caucus grew tense and emotional for a moment -- perhaps illustrating that weeks after Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., suspended her presidential campaign, some nerves [well, you know how women are] remain frayed.
Sources at the meeting said that Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee, D-Texas, a Clinton supporter, expressed the desire that Obama and his campaign would reach out the millions of women still aggrieved [well, you know women get bitter] about what happened in the campaign and still disappointed [emotional, and all] that Clinton lost.
Obama agreed that a lot of work needs to be done to heal the Democratic Party, and that he hoped the Clinton supporters in the room would help as much as possible.
According to Rep. Yvette Clarke, D-N.Y., Obama then said, "However, I need to make a decision in the next few months as to how I manage that since I'm running against John McCain, which takes a lot of time."
And a man has his priorities.....
"If women take a moment to realize that on every issue important to women..."
Translation: You've got no place to go.
".... John McCain is not in their corner, that would help them get over it."
Constructive suggestion, here:
Can't Obama hire a coach, or something?
He's got more money than God, right, so what's the problem?
And sheesh. Fat Tony's not good company to be in....
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If that's an accurate quote...
we're going to need a bigger clothespin.
The quote is from Clarke...
But the reporting is from CBC "sources," plural, present at the meeting.
And somehow, I think that Lee, Clarke, at all would have done everything they could to make sure they were quoted accurately, including writing the quote down in Tapper's notebook, if necessary.
[x] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.
"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mahatma Gandhi
"get over it"
exactly how far is that from "well, you might as well relax and enjoy it?"
Simple answers to simple questions
Not very.
So, whatever happened to
the mad negotiations skillz that Obama is supposed to have that made him so great in the Illinois Senate?
And here I thought once the primary was over, we were all gonna have make up sex and all that stuff (or did I miss the make-up sex?)!
He's really, REALLY bad when it comes to women, isn't he?
Go Global!
Uh, all the mad negotiating skills get used for his own goals?
And getting Hillary supporters, esp'ly women, on board is not a priority goal for him?
Does the word "arrogant" have an application here?
It is Jake Tapper
So for me that's a 90% discount from reliable right there.
Buried down in the next-to-last graf:
Everyone involved agreed that most of the meeting was cordial, and that there is unanimity on the need to work hard to elect Obama.
Which sounds a whole lot less inflammatory. Tone and context are everything, and very little of either is present in this report.
Tapper; not my favorite for accuracy and fairness. If these women, none of whom are shy, have something to say for the record they'll be able to do that on their own, through many vehicles and not just Jake Tapper. I believe I'll wait for confirmation about both the words and the responses before I let my blood pressure increase.
Tone and context are everything?
What do you mean, "just words"?
What do you mean, what do I mean?
Didn't say "just words" anywhere. Why the quotation marks?
Context is everything, and in verbal communication tone of voice and expression are also crucial. The same clutch of words can mean a dozen different things, or more, depending on context, tone and expression.
Tapper has a bad habit of - nasty disposition towards, take your pick - manipulating words and events out of their proper context and making them out to be more inflammatory than they really were. He's a liar. I don't trust him
Seeing a lot of this here now, quotes from Tapper and Brooks and dipsticks at Politico and others who normally would be dismissed out of hand, but if they are derogatory or negative or cast a doubt upon Obama they get lapped up like honey. Disturbing, to me; YOMV.
"Just words"
is a famous Obama/Deval Patrick trope. Just riffing on the idea that the words themselves don't matter.
It all comes back to me now
Very little sense of humor remaining. My irony is rusted, and creaking.
Cass Sunstein
Given that Cass Sunstein is reportedly an advisor to Obama, I hope Obama isn't expecting this woman to just assume that he's going to appint Supreme Court justices that will protect Roe.
Obama talks about reproductive rights like he does everything else, so I see no reason to believe he'd fight any harder to protect them than he has the Fourth Amendment. While he's got a pro-choice voting record, he's never actually done anything I'm aware of to actively protect reproductive rights or women's rights.
Double Post
Sorry.
Leverage
The entire narrative of telling women to "fall in line" is damaging to Obama and the Democrats. If it's not true, then they need to come out and say that.
If it is true, then Obama and the DNC need to pull their heads out of their asses. Women - at least Democratic women - wouldn't be voting against Obama because they think McCain is better on women's issues. They'd be voting against Obama because they're tired of the half-assed job Democrats do defending and advocating women's rights because and of having their votes taken for granted because, hey, Democrats might be shitty, but they aren't as shitty as the GOP. It would be about punishing the Democrats in hopes it will get them to do a better job, not because McCain would be awesome for women. These kinds of stories, if undisputed, only feed the idea that a strong message needs to be sent to the Democratic Party that women have choices.
he's had no women in any key positions at all,
and is only now adding women, but not to his inner circle-- http://www.politico.com/news/stories/060...
Seems he needs to "get over it" too?
If you read the rest of the story, you'll see this:
"Obama then said[,] two sources at the meeting said[,] that he'd held his tongue many times during the campaign against Clinton in the interest of party unity and sensitivity. Clinton and her allies had suggested he was a Muslim, had said he wasn't qualified to be president."
(My emphasis)
It seems he either believes his own campaign's smear (or did I miss something? I never saw Clinton or her people suggest he's a Muslim), or he's still fighting the last war in spite of his protestations.
The more I reflect on it, the more puzzled I am by this incident, if the report is accurate. Every time I think I have an idea of what kind of person Obama is, something happens to overturn it.
Policy not party!
he's just distracting again--&
trying to spin it away from his own failings--as usual.
Whenever he's attacked, he immediately either dismisses it, lies about it, or changes the subject--always.
no source, no story
unless anyone goes on the record, I would just disregard it. Seems to be a case of let's you and him fight
No source other than ABC News and two Congresswomen?
?
There are worse reporters than Jake Tapper...
And no, this is not flame bait (Nedra).
The story read to me like Tapper was fed those quotes, and he wrote them up.
[x] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.
"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mahatma Gandhi
There are worse, but that's not saying much for Jake
The problem is that there aren't many that are better. We end up being tempted to rely on and quote from these manipulative fickwits because they are not the worst of the lot, which is completely not the same as considering them credible.
Tapper is part and parcel of the VRWC
/MSM conspiracy to demonize the Democratic presidential nominee - who ever that may be in any given year - and so for my purposes in trying to understand Obama he is an unreliable source. I don't care how many quotes he has, who he says he got them from, or what designs others may have had in feeding them to him. In Tapper's hands, it will be transformed into something bad for progressives and democracy.
I take his intentions as never being neutral and as always being against my own interests. He went after Clinton with all the finess of a rabid pit bull, and now he's getting after Obama in the same ham-handed way. YOMV, but if you give him any credence eventually you'll be sorry.
he and others are showing the turn of CW--
and the spate of stories specifically referencing Bush and Rove regarding Obama--ABC, NYT, and others-- all matter and are influencing many people.
Tapper is far far more credible tho-- precisely because he never bought into "tingles up the leg" that others--on the right and left-- did.
his consistency in being tough on all Dems is
actually not a negative--it means that he has an open position against which he bases his stories--as opposed to mere what-Broder-said or Hillary-hate or Obama-crush or GOP-is-always-right, or bipartisan-is-best, etc.
re: Tapper - I know this post is "dead", but
I don't want to front-page this issue.
Much much later, The Hill confirms part of what Jake Tapper reported about Obama's meeting with the CBC. They have the "I bit my tongue" quote, but not the one claiming that Clinton suggested he was a Muslim.
It's a short report and may be worth comparing to what Tapper wrote, if you care about this sort of thing. My own sense is that some pretty sharp things got said, and people are upset that any of it leaked out. Tapper's most inflammatory quotes may have been exaggerations or outright lies; if not, whoever provided them thought better of it.
Policy not party!
"bit my tongue"--what an ass he is-
while he painted both Clintons as racists and trashed all Democratic victories and principles and did every single thing he accused his opponents of? he's a total ass--Dubya 2.0. (and he's trying the same thing against McCain by preemptively painting him as a racist too)
on Tapper--i bet it's the "thought better of it"--he wouldn't have made it up--it would have been something told to him along with the other details that he passed on because it's Clinton-bashing which they all love (and we don't know from who or why--sadly--and as usual)
YOMV? any road, Tapper's just another Village steno, &
while I have better things to do than defend The Precious
, Tapper's shown himself to be insupportable more times than I can count. But that acronym's new to me, so an explanation would be nice.
Sarah
We can admit that we’re killers … but we’re not going to kill today. That’s all it takes! Knowing that we’re not going to kill today! ~ Captain James T. Kirk, Stardate 3193.0
1 John 4:18
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YOMV here.
Do try and keep up. With texting the language as we know it is doomed. In a few short years it will all be acronyms and emoticons; Those who cling bitterly to the old vocabulary and grammar will be increasingly shunted aside and ignored.
McLuhan, to the nth degree.
Now, aren't you glad you asked? I know how I feel about it all.
:-(
or is it
;-O
Hell, I can't keep them straight; probably I should just
:-X
A variant of YMMV? OK. Now, if the cats will
cut me a little slack maybe I can read / write comments (one tomcat per shoulder creates a difficulty).
We can admit that we're killers ... but we're not going to kill today. That's all it takes! Knowing that we're not going to kill today! ~ Captain James T. Kirk, Stardate 3193.0
We can admit that we’re killers … but we’re not going to kill today. That’s all it takes! Knowing that we’re not going to kill today! ~ Captain James T. Kirk, Stardate 3193.0
1 John 4:18
What Zuzu said
Why don't I just wait until someone at Shakesville posts and then all I have to write is "ditto"?
In a way, it doesn't matter what Obama has said and whether Tapper got it right or not. Because it's not his words I'm interested in. They are a waste of my time even if he's telling me what I want to hear.
I'm more interested in what Obama and the DNC have done to try to reassure women and what they've done is jack shit.
BTW, the photo zuzu uses at Shakesville - fabulous.
i [heart] zuzu
and you're right about the photo. thanks for the tip!
Double Post
Hard drive crashed on new computer (along with my Emily's List post, argh!). Old computer has sticky keys. Sorry.