They sure don't act like winners.
From Reclusive Leftist:
This comment is showing up in moderation queues throughout the Hillary-supporting blogosphere:
When I watched her speech this morning, I felt something genuine in her voice. When she talked about dedicating her life to making America a better place, you could tell that was her deepest conviction.
She seemed a little hesitant endorsing Obama, but she also seemed very confident when she said we cannot afford to allow the Republicans to hold The White House for another 4 years or more.
In the end, I think Hillary’s decision to support Obama was what she feels is the best course for our country to follow. I’ve supported her so far, so there’s no reason for me to doubt her now.
Let’s take back The White House for the Democrats and make America a better place.
Har! The name attached to the comment is different depending on the blog; the pattern seems to be to choose the name of a regular commenter.
So I drop in at the Confluence and I see:
Uppity, on June 8th, 2008 at 10:12 am Said:
Please be advised that the message copied below, which was posted above, was NOT written by me. I do not support Barack Obama in any way, shape or form, nor will I ever. However, I have been impersonated using this same post in a number of places, which tells me I’m doing a good job on my blog. I would appreciate if the impersonator’s post in my name would be removed.
” When I watched her speech this morning, I felt something genuine in her voice. When she talked about dedicating her life to making America a better place, you could tell that was her deepest conviction.
She seemed a little hesitant endorsing Obama, but she also seemed very confident when she said we cannot afford to allow the Republicans to hold The White House for another 4 years or more.
In the end, I think Hillary’s decision to support Obama was what she feels is the best course for our country to follow. I’ve supported her so far, so there’s no reason for me to doubt her now.
Let’s take back The White House for the Democrats and make America a better place”
[FALSE-FLAG POSTING CONFIRMED -- identical message also false-flag posted under the guise of regular poster Dawnelle -- admins, please 'unapprove' rather than delete, to preserve evidence -- RonK]
Ronkseattle posted a warning at Riverdaughter's place that trolls are posting under the names of other commenters. Since registration isn't required there they thought they could get away with it.
From Elizabitchez:
If they really are the victors....................
then why are they trolling like jilted, psychotic ex boyfriends?
It's not just my blog that has had to turn the comments mod on because of trolls and stalkers. Uppity had to turn off her chat function because the TrollBots decided it was a good place to drop perverted and gross comments. MyDD has been invaded. Anglachel had to turn on comment mods. So did BlueLyon- though that's because of my resident TrollBot stalker. The only reason they haven't actually taken over at Shakes is cause Liss and the genuine non-trolly Obama supporters over there won't tolerate it.
Back to Reclusive Leftist:
What I love so much about this comment is that it was clearly designed by men to appeal to what they think women want. It’s like those web themes “designed for women” that look like boxes of douche — all pink and lavender with pictures of flowers on them. See, women don’t think; we feel. We emote. We listen to Hillary’s voice and pay attention to what we feel she’s feeling. And then we go right out and buy that douche so we, too, can feel feminine and fresh.
I guess that makes these trolls douchebags.
Be advised, fellow denizens of the Mighty Corrente Building, we are under attack by trolls. They are part of a large psy-ops strategy designed to divide and conquer us.
I'll give Scary Smart Anglachel the last word:
Actually, it is for the Obamacans to accept some political realities about the bitter, sweetie voters who stand behind Hillary, and the very real legitimacy problem your candidate has with us.
The fact that you continue to squall and fuss about Teh Rulz indicates that you know very well that the circumstances of his nomination are artificial. You need to accept that there is a big, fat asterisk next to Obama's name in the history books, and it will be to note the way in which the DNC manipulated delegate counts to prevent full votes by 50 states. Sorry, they did and yelling about rules will not erase that mark.
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Ratfuckers.
It's nice when they leave a clear slime trail, and don't even assume they can post their shit under their own handles.
They now know their arguments are so weak that they a) don't bother to customize them; b) use false-flag operations to temporarily lull readers into a sense of "well, I like that poster, but he/she's gone to the loony bin, but fast". Their problem is that their appropriated handles still have people attached to them that actively post -- and those people haven't changed their minds.
Wouldn't it be easier just to bribe someone to turn -- oops, they've done that, too, and they get shunned once we use their own words to examine the logic behind their changes of heart. I guess we should be flattered that the ratfuckers have to go lower and lower, to even get past our mods.
I wish they would try bribery
My virtue is for sale (or rent even) so interested parties should make offers.
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Thanks for the shout out!
My TrollBot stalker actually has a fake copy of my website up. He is also local to my area and I've had some scary things happen at the royal compound lately . Someone ripped the downspout off the front of my house, like they were trying to climb it.
This is not how you win votes and influence people. Not that my vote could be won. I 'm voting green for the first time ever.
Voter disenfranchisement is a Republican tool. Don't be a Republican tool!
Voter disenfranchisement is a Republican tool. Don't be a Republican tool!
myq
what is a moderation queque?
to whom are they visible?
They're visible to the people with the admin privileges...
.... to approve them. That will vary by the site.
[x] Any (D) in the general. [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.
"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mahatma Gandhi
So, how to we tell a true Obama supporter from a troll?
I guess, at this point, we have to assume that any Obama commenter is a troll, with only commenters with a distinctive personal writing style who've been around a long time are likely to be "real."
And of course, not even then, really ... Since apparently the trolls are not above using the "real" poster's handles.
Good to know.
These guys really have an unrivalled ability to piss in the well everybody has to use, don't they?
[x] Any (D) in the general. [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.
"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mahatma Gandhi
Thank-you For The Warning
However, I think the notion that any commentator who recommends that Hillary supporters listen to what Hillary said on Saturday is a troll isn't the way to handle this. And I would hope that those bloggers and readers and commentators who decide that McCain is more problematic than Obama who might come here to discuss a complicated issue won't automatically be treated like trolls.
I'd also like to point out that the "they" associated with "winners" is being painted rather broadly here. There is not a shred of evidence that this is an effort that represents the great majority of Obama supporters, or that Obama's campaign itself has anything to do with it.
Having been purged from DK...
... by precisely this sort of operation, I'm inclined to believe it is an operation. (I got the exact same screen Larry Johnson did, so the sysadmins were in on it; it wasn't just people from "outside") You weren't there, Leah, so you don't have the "evidence" of that experience. Nor are you having to administer the troll queue at Confluence, which is also where the "evidence" is. Let us also not forget that Axelrod's day job is running precisely this sort of operation. It's really exactly like the misogyny, isn't it? If the Obama Movement wants to put a stop to it, they can and they will. Leaders lead. If they don't, they like the effects.
[x] Any (D) in the general. [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.
"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mahatma Gandhi
Commentator blurs the distinction...
... between commenters and posters. My point is directed toward the former.
Leah, will you please consider the idea that those fo us who have been dealing with these matters for hours a day for months know the talking points, the behaviors, and what the intel community would call "signatures" about as well as you know, say, the Republican talking points during their attack on the Clintons?
[x] Any (D) in the general. [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.
"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mahatma Gandhi
No respite at all.
I didn't think it was possible for me to dig in my heels even deeper -- oh, but then look.
Tomorrow or Thursday will be the day I officially cease to be a Democrat.
sanctioned harassment
so why is this continuing,
this low-level harassment of clinton sites, possibly focusing on clinton-supporting sites run by women?
because the obama-supporting weblog world
(and to an extent, the corporate media),
conducted a months-long, mean-spirited, occasionally vicious, campaign of attacking senator clinton personally.
that campaign loosed the bonds of social convention.
behavior that treated clinton the person vilely (her motives, her behavior, her dress)
may now been transferred to treating clinton supporters vilely, especially women.
those doing so (and i would bet money on young males) are doing so with the feeling that they have been authorized, deputized, sanctioned
BY SOCIETY
to attack clinton weblogs and clinton supporters.
what the weblog bosses like kos and marshall and avarosis, et al. should have said, from the beginning,
was that there will be standards of conduct for commenters and posters; certain types of highly-inappropriate comments will not be allowed.
these masters lacked the leadership or the understanding of consequences to make such demands on their commenters, or their posters.
and so we now have, and have had for some time, mob behavior toward all that is clinton.
at present these acts are no longer connected to the politics of nomination. they have taken on a life of their own derived from socially "authorized" harassment and repression.
explanation #2:
a note on a conspiracy hypotheses:
if you wanted to insure that criticism of senator obama was tamped down for the general election, and if you were understood how to use tactics of intimidation in organizing people, you might consider deliberately harassing clinton-supporting websites on the grounds that they would be the most likely to continue putting out anti-obama commentary and keeping women "all stirred up". yep. you've heard that one before, right?
remember, women supporters of clinton represent a tremendous danger to the obama campaign in swing states, if the general election contest is close.
most weblog sites are highly vulnerable because they are run on little money and on fragile technology - software and servers.
let's keep an eye out to see if this harassment continues or fads. and who it focuses on.
I Have Long Believed The Most Dangerous Thing
about this primary was the misogyny, especially aimed at older women, running rampant unchecked by Obama or the Democratic Party. You can't simply put that back up in its cage now that the nomination is over. That kind of hatred spewed into the culture is bound to affect the culture and change it in ways that are not positive.
Obama may very well want to stop this now, but I'm not sure this monster is still within his control. But then that's what always happens when you accept help from a monster, it eventually turns on you. What? Obama and the Democrats thought Frankenstein was really about a scientist who built a monster from dead people?
"Do what you feel in your heart to be right -- for you'll be criticized anyway. You'll be damned if you do, and damned if you don't. " - Eleanor Roosevelt
bdblue
yeah, this is my concern:
"...You can’t simply put that back up in its cage now that the nomination is over..."
and this may be the reality
"...Obama may very well want to stop this now, but I’m not sure this monster is still within his control..."
right now a little vigilance is warranted.
Reality, or new Obama talking point?
I'm sure I won't be the first to mention this, but what are the chances these trolls are McCain supporters, trying to divide the Dems even more? Makes sense, no?
Of course, it was my opinion that most Obama trolls in the primary were McCainiacs in disguise, so there. /tinfoil
I'd try to play dumb, but I'm not that smart.
So far
Every. Single. Trollbot. Has. Been. Male.
Every one. Or at least they are all using masculine names.
Blogtopus, I highly doubt they are McCain people. They are absolutely fauxgressive in their response, and I don't think rethuglikan trolls could master that kind of nuance. After picking through dozens or troll comments, I think i could spot the difference between a McCain plant and a koolaid drinker.
Voter disenfranchisement is a Republican tool. Don't be a Republican tool!
Voter disenfranchisement is a Republican tool. Don't be a Republican tool!
blogtopus
The McCain supporters I've had have been really nice (read: trying to woo me). They're straightforward that they are McCain supporters too. I highly doubt that they are McCain supporters, also for reasons Red Queen stated above.
Go Hillary or Go Green!
- “I do not think that word means what you think it means"
Le Bloc ou le mort!
If these trolls are GOP ratfuckers, how do you explain
DK, TPM, and other "fauxgressive" sites?
They can't all be Republicans.
This sounds like a group project for the various site administrators of pro-Hillary blogs. Trace the IP addresses and see if there is a common link.
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myiq2xu - we don't want to be
too transparent about our methods. I think some of the conversation between blog administrators about this should be through email rather than comments.
another post on this issue
at rezkowatch
this post seems to cover much the same ground covered here, however, someone much more familiar with the issue than i, might find something more to reflect on.