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Vastleft Endorses Barack Hussein Obama

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This November, I plan to vote for Barack Obama.

What do I plan to do between now and then?

Tell the truth, like I always have.

Some say that the opinions of us dead-ender Obama skeptics are a mere symptom of depression over losing. This is condescending and willfully ignorant.

Some say that to criticize Obama is to help McCain. That would rule out, for example, the idea that the Obama campaign might do well to understand why Hillary supporters are disaffected with his campaign and what he might need to do to bring about his vaunted “unity” (giving him the benefit of the doubt, despite the lack of supporting evidence, that lifetime Democrats are part of his unity agenda).

Some cling (but never bitterly, of course) to the idea that Obama is some kind of tonic for what ails America, an energizing agent of change.

I find that awfully hard to swallow in light of his pattern of unforced framing errors like his repeated praise for Reagan and propagation of the fake solution to the false problem of "excessive partisanship.”

This year, we had a once-in-several-decades chance to repudiate the Reagan Revolution, and Obama traded that in to become the cuddly Ponuppy, unharsher of mellows, because it may charm a few unquestioning boobs at the mere cost of selling truth, liberalism, and real change down the river. Given the tradition of running toward your base in the primary, and away from it in the election, would it not be healthy to have some skeptical, progressive voices keeping Obama honest?

Fundamentally, I believe that Obama’s approach is weak. Objectively, this has all the earmarks of a “change year,” and I expect Obama should win regardless of how pathetic his platform is. But running weak is worse than running strong, and running weak will surely beget governing weak. We can already see where Obama’s religious pandering has gotten him – a lifetime atheist ties himself to a church and it becomes an anchor to him. What will running against the traditions of FDR get him? What will it get us?

I will continue, as time permits, to practice the blogosphere's lost art of the media critique.

How many sites besides Corrente properly slammed the media’s latest full-scale meltdown, the RFK lek?

We didn’t turn off our critical faculties just because the Dem frontrunner was the beneficiary of the bullshit. I, for one, don't plan to turn off those faculties as long as I possess them.

But I can't fucking vote for John "Military Commissions Act" McCain, and I urge people of conscience to vote for the crummy candidate that my party (with its shitty, undemocratic processes) has put up against him.

At the end of the day, the lesser of two evils is less evil than the alternative. Even a paranoid holdout can see that.

Despite all the race-baiting, misogyny, church-and-state merging, system-gaming, rightwing-slime leveraging, GOP accommodating, personality-cult feeding, and happytalk bullshitting, Obama is better than the Iraq War's biggest cheerleader, John Sidney McCain III.

I expect that what's left of the leftysphere will continue to do a proper job of reminding folks of what a shit-heel the mythical moderate maverick McCain is. Pardon me if I don't make a full-time job of it myself. I've got my Klan meetings to attend to, and such.

But let us not forget how Progressive Blogosphere 1.0 all-but-completely debased itself by going in the tank for Obama (without regard to how many of us he and his supporters threw under the bus) and reveling in Clinton Derangement Syndrome.

I'm sure a few A-listers will get swanky jobs or at least some first-rate cocktail weenies.

I'm not so sure we'll get honest citizen journalism and a media critique under President Obama, at least not from the usual suspects... until the Kool-Aid wears off, anyway.

What will be left of America by then, I don't know. But it won't smell too good, that's for sure.

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Submitted by leah on

Didn't you?

I've been working on an internal Mighty Corrente Building memo for two days, and you have to go ahead and make it all but irrelevant.

Of course, that's why I love you.

Not only well said, but with you usual panache and wit.

I look forward to reading the coming comment thread, I think.

Do you do the graphic? It's wonderful.

Fellow "Fellows," I will still be calling for that discussion of our future, which I think we should hold in the third floor lounge, the one with the wet bar. Look for my revised memo to arrive over the weekend.

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Submitted by chicago dyke on

Even a paranoid holdout can see that.

no, some can't. some *won't.* some need to Feel Right and Superior more than they need to remember dead iraqi children, and living iranian ones who would like to stay that way.

stellar post, dearheart. love to you.

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Submitted by Swift Loris on

some need to Feel Right and Superior more than they need to remember dead iraqi children, and living iranian ones who would like to stay that way.

...aren't entirely sure the alternative to McCain won't ultimately be as bad, or even worse.

Submitted by gob on

No, but McCain is a sharp stick in each eye.

After reading Obama's response to yesterday's Supreme Court decision and comparing it to McCain's, my emotions shifted just enough that I can see myself voting for Obama in November, and then hating myself for the rest of my life.

I hurt.

Paranoid holdouts for Obama!

Can't wait to put the bumper sticker on my car.

Great post, but I question the assumptions behind the phrase "keeping Obama honest."

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Submitted by Aeryl on

That is my fervent belief. Nothing, and I mean nothing, can change my mind.

I love the Dems too much to see them lose the presidency for another 20 years, sorry. No vote for Obama from me.

Bill Clinton for First Dude!!!

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Submitted by goldberry on

Do what you feel you must. I will not be voting for Obama unless he has a come to Jesus moment and earns my vote. I won't be voting for McCain either. Downticket Dems are the only ones who will get my vote. At this point, I can't decide who is the most evil. I'm going with Obama. McCain is just trying to satisfy his Republican base. Well, at least he realizes he has a base he needs to satisfy, unlike Obama, who hasn't realized it yet.
But I am a little confused as to why you felt the need to endorse him at all. You have now joined the ranks of Dems who have given the milk away without making Obama pay for the cow. There was no reason to do this, The DNC will now feel it has even *less* of an incentive to appease you. Of course, it isn't too late to retract your endorsement and stay on the fence a little longer.
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Submitted by lambert on

... and I'm not averse to it in principle, but I'm also not seeing anything "overground" as it were. Not that our famously free press would cover it; there was, so far as I know, exactly one story on the invisible women supporting Hillary. Now, if the DNC does something (else) degrading and insane, like forcing Hillary off the Denver ballot, I may have to reconsider.

Though it has occurred to me that one reason the DNC is imploding is that they are totally fucked financially, which they only deserve.

I guess I finally figured out that I'm a citizen and a voter, and not a political operative. So I get to say whatever the Fuck I want, this being America.

[x] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

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Submitted by vastleft on

Was seeing the comment threads on No Quarter, where people are standing on their heads to portray McCain as an innocent.

It's a delicate balance between trying to save people from the brink of rationalizing McCain and the need to hold Obama's feet to the fire so he stops making the tactical and strategic mistake of disregarding his base. Both need to be done.

I will continue to not pretend away Obama's sins and the blogosphere+media meltdown that got us into this fix.

Without truth, we're fucked. And Obama is such a truthiness generator. And so is McCain.

My weighing of this sucky decision is as I describe it here. Obama is such a cipher that you may be right, and he's ultimately worse than McCain. But the GOP is the devil I know, and from Hell's heart I spit at them.

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Submitted by whaleshaman on

I just spent the last hour writing a seriously straight answer to you -- and it disappeared when I checked out the input format one too many times.

And now I have to go, but I wanted you to know I hadn't just blown off your question.

Hint to self: Always highlight and copy comments until they're safely posted.

d.

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Submitted by amberglow on

i'm still watching him like a hawk hoping he understands that the issues actually matter--i don't see it at all yet, and only see the very same "make the only issue of the day some personal attack on McCain--or responding to a personal attack" instead.

I'm not persuaded at all, and in fact am getting more disgusted by his absolute resemblance to Dubya and the Rovian methods of 2000--from excessive pandering and pledges to the religious right but no one else, to his utter lack of daily focus on bread-and-butter issues, to his turning the DNC into the Obama campaign office alone, to his continued denial that he ever makes a mistake, to his utter entanglement with and dependency on the very "broken DC system" and old hands he's supposedly running against, to the coordination of talkingpoints of the day (also always non-issue-related) .... (and even Dubya had a better resume than Obama does)

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Submitted by willyjsimmons on

Erm?

My Friday started off far too well for that.

some need to Feel Right and Superior more than they need to...

Given the conversations that have gone on in the comment sections the past few days...

that's a loaded ass phrase right there. LOL.

Sometimes people say the darnedest things.

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Submitted by chicago dyke on

i'm not sure what will.

chances that mcstain will do everything in his considerable power as prez to kill more innocent people: 99.999999999%

chances that obama will: less than that.

i don't know why that's so hard to understand. isn't even the chance of saving some innocents worth holding your nose and pulling a lever? and no one is telling anyone to shut up (not at corrente, at least). keep on keepin on, blast obama for anything and everything he does wrong in your eyes. i, like all the sr fellows here, welcome and respect such efforts.

but in the end, yes, willy: that's the moral calculus i employ. i know a lot of iraqis; some nights i cry myself to sleep,thinking what has happened to some of them.

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Submitted by amberglow on

Obama is for taking money out of public schools for vouchers for private ones, is pretty much absent on integration and equality of funding and opportunity in schools, has been absent on public housing issues and the homeless--many millions are kids after all--and considering the future, is not at all firm/tangible enough on trade and jobs lost, or job creation, and is all for stupid enormous corporate subsidies that drain the budget and do nothing for kids and families--like Ethanol, Farm, and Energy things, etc ...

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Submitted by Swift Loris on

chances that mcstain will do everything in his considerable power as prez to kill more innocent people: 99.999999999%

chances that obama will: less than that.

...what are the chances that Obama will be responsible for killing more people unintentionally, because he won't know what the frick he's doing?

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Submitted by cenobite on

Though it has occurred to me that one reason the DNC is imploding is that they are totally fucked financially, which they only deserve.

Sen Obama bought over 50% of the voting stock, so he's taking over. Moving the HQ, putting in a new board of directors, etc.

I'm surprised he hasn't changed the name of the party yet.

Probably they're having some meeting with branding consultants, whalesong and burning joss-sticks about now to make it the Novvacrat Party or something.

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Submitted by willyjsimmons on

Just sayin CD...

cuz Barack ain't ending the war either.

So...

Me thinks you'll be cryin for a long, long time.

Besides the "think about the children!" argument usually comes from a place of wanting to "Feel Right and Superior" as you put it.

There are children dying everywhere, everyday.

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Submitted by goldberry on

*WE* know it exists. In fact, I don't expect the media to cover the "shrieking band of paranoid holdouts". It's Obama's loss if he pays no attention. Does the media have to highlight it and draw big red arrows at the problem before he recognizes it?
But even more important, do I need a huge, visible movement to feel safe? If he's a bad candidate, blending into the crowd of people who are endorsing him accomplishes what exactly?
I just chalk it up to my inability to feel intimidated by peer pressure. It's a defect but one I think many people share this year. Fitting in suddenly not very important.
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Submitted by vastleft on

... for a reason.

Fuck the peer pressure. What's happened in this campaign is soul-shaking. Document it, never let anyone forget. Make the best decision you can under the circumstances, but don't pretend away the circumstances or gloss the future.

Let us not treat Obama as any better than he is, his words and deeds as any better than they are. I certainly won't.

I don't want truthtellers like you to start doing that go-along, get-along shit. And whether you believe me or not, I'm not doing that, either.

Nonetheless, you go to the polls with the shitty candidates you have, and not the not-so-shitty candidates you wish you had....

Submitted by Paul_Lukasiak on

its still an endorsement...

You can't hold someone's feet to the fire if you've already extinguished the flame.

Submitted by gob on

- thank you for this. My own reactions sometimes seem completely over the top to me, and there's no one out here in RL that shares them. My nerves are unstrung, and it's unclear when life will be back to normal.

Submitted by lambert on

I've consistently said I'd vote for any [D] in the general. Since Hillary's suspended her campaign, Obama's the D. Does that suck? Yes. Is it good if that which sucks can be brought to suck less? Yes. But the way I read Hillary's suspension speech is that right now, the way to minimize suckitude is to hold Obama's feet to the fire on policy. For example. Or for example.

[x] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

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Submitted by amberglow on

holding his feet to the fire would be "i won't endorse or vote for you unless you swear do this and this, and "pledge" to make this and this a priority (like he unpromptedly pledged to the religious right this week)..."

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Submitted by vastleft on

... my endorsement does not mean that all 18 million Hillary supporters are suddenly going to turn out for Obama.

They (we) have very legitimate grievances, and I'm going to continue to articulate them. But I'm not going to pretend to play footsie with McCain while I do it.

If I didn't see signs of magical thinking toward McCain, I'd be playing hard to get a little longer, myself.

I think it's important to admit that Obama is a seriously disappointing candidate who has a lot of 'splaining to do. I'm sure he'll make the Greatest Speech about Gender Evah, or something, but he's going to have to earn a lot of those 18 million.

He's got mine by not being John McCain. If you've set the bar higher, so be it. I will continue to argue for Obama to properly ask for your vote, and if he doesn't, he's making a very big mistake.

Are you making a big mistake, if you don't (grudgingly and clothespin-on-nose) hop on the Obamawagon without a proper reach-out to you?

Ultimately, I think yes. But I don't begrudge you your well-earned concerns. I share them. And will continue to share them until and unless I see something I've totally not seen for the two years Obama's been campaigning.

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Submitted by amberglow on

and this brings me right back to BIO's truth post--

i think pretending to play footsie with McCain is a really good strategic move, as long you make sure our party is watching and do it very publicly--an excellent move, actually, and guaranteed to plague and worry many nationwide who are very loudly assuring-- and falsely proclaiming --that people will all "unite" and we'll all come home in Nov. (of course, it's lying--on all sides, yet again)

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Submitted by amberglow on

--which he will have success with this cycle.

There are millions of Dems open to his overtures, and many of them went Reagan in the 80s so don't think swinging is bad--especially when our candidate has only insulted and dismissed them.

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Submitted by jackyt on

For me, any support at this point, willing or not, undermines leverage on two fronts: policy and organization.

The hi-jacking of the party machinery is a huge issue for me, and hammering away at anyone who has any influence on reclaiming some degree of DNC autonomy is now (IMHO) the number one priority.

Policy positions rank 1.00000000000000000047nth on the list (a mere smidge) below machinery as a concern. I want to know exactly what I'm buying when I offer up my hard-earned. I do not know, and I can't even guess, what Obama's position is on dead babies, foreign or domestic.

And all the way down at 1.0000000000000000005 on my concerns list is Obama's lack of respect for his primary opponent. Matter of fact, I see no evidence that Obama respects anyone! People come and go in his campaign, in his life, without any apparent backward glance. It's ObaME... ObaMYWAY... all the time.

So for me, Obama has way too much work to do before we get to the subject of my vote. If he can convince me of his superiority to his extremely unsatisfactory republican opponent before the convention, more power to him. I'll be watching closely to see if ANY of my concerns are IN ANY WAY addressed. But I won't be rushed; there's plenty of time for me to make up my mind between the end of August and early November.

As the old saw goes, "I may be cheap, but I sure ain't easy!

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Submitted by chicago dyke on

it's about later. obama is going to continue to disappoint people like us, in the coming months. he ran an odd campaign. unlike most, he ran to the middle in the primary and now he's running to the right even more in the general. but there is a kind of sense to that. mccain isn't really so popular with rethugs, and if obama can "fool" some of them into overlooking his 'race,' it's a smart strategy for one who wants the Power.

but our job? what is it, again? well, i guess i'm not always so clear on that, but i am 100000% sure it's not "get J. Sidney 100 Years Depends elected."

one job i'd like to have is "progressive junkyard dog who won't let prez obama not-lead from the mushy middle." that's how i view VL's post too. *now* is the time to make up and focus on the prize. starting in late jan of next year....heh. that's going to be fun. because i'm petty and shallow like that, and i enjoy saying "i told you so."

and perhaps you can forgive me, but the "nationality" of children matters not at all to me; they are all equally important. we can have a long boring discussion about which (if any) adults 'deserve' the mess we all find ourselves in, but no, not even one single child is 'deserving' of the mcstain administration. not one. anywhere. laugh at me all you want, but the children really are our future, and i want them all to live and grow up and have a chance to redeem this generation, which has so utterly failed them. yes, american children will have the wealth and power someday to make changes that affect the entire world. no, that doesn't mean i won't also think about powerless brown children on the other side of the globe too.

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Submitted by amberglow on

usually they have resumes and actual accomplishments as a start--this time no.

It's not that foreign lives are not important--it a hierarchical thing for me--i'm American and my government exists to work for me--and for all Americans--first and foremost.

We do evil abroad all the time, even when it's not an invasion/occupation like now--but i always focus on domestic issues overwhelmingly-- and those matter more to me than people elsewhere--it's just my priorities.

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Submitted by bringiton on

No reason to accept the frame that to support Obama over McCain is the same as caving in on all progressive causes. Obama is the only tool I have right now. A pretty poor tool, but the only one at hand. If a more useful tool becomes available I would drop him and never look back, but until then I'm holding on to what I have. With Obama there is a chance that some right things will be done. With McCain, none at all.

Well stated, VL.

Submitted by lambert on

"Tepid" means exactly that. I plan to continue pointing out more opportunities for our presumptive nominee to lead....

[x] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

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Submitted by goldberry on

...you have to vote your conscience. It's not like I trust Republicans and I've often said that Freinds don't let friends vote Republican.
But McCain almost became a Democrat in 2004 and we all know how he struggled against the Bushies until political necessity forced in into an unholy alliance with them.
Yes, he's still a Republican and that's not good. But if he is more of the mold of the country club variety, I can live with it for four years with provided there is an appropriate balance of power in Congress. In any case, I am not voting for him.
Now, OBAMA is a different story altogether. I disagree that you don't really know what he's like. I think you gauge him pretty accurately based on his actions and the kind of people who are following him. And verily I say unto you, if he wins this fall, we will never get our party back. Never.
We paranoid holdouts are strong right now. In four years, we will have become resigned to our fate as outcasts. The working class, the poor, women, GLBT, elderly and just plain sensible will be nothing more than a memory. We will have no power to petition the government for anything. UHC? A pipedream. Social Security? Just a pot of gold that the privateers can't wait to get their hands on. Who you going to call? No one because w won't have the money to make people pay attention to us. The libertarian Democrats and Moderate Republicans who stole our party are going to change it all right.
Four years of McCain we can survive. We'll pick up the pieces of the Democratic party after the frat boys have trashed it and make sure it never happens again. Four years of Obama and you can kiss your party goodbye.
Now, I'm going to guess that Obama has as much GE support as Jimmy Carter did in 1980. Back then, Carter trailed Reagan by only 10% in the popular vote. Like Carter, Obama failed to win most of the big D and swing states. And that measley 10% turned into an Electoral College rout. Carter lost 90% of the EC votes. So, if just 10% of the Dem voters don't vote for Obama, that could make a huge difference in the EVs.
I either live to fight another day or I surrender completely. I prefer to live.
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Submitted by amberglow on

not voting the top of the ticket, ignoring the presidential race in favor of Congress, voting McKinney, pushing Obama to court us and making him sweat by making them afraid, ...

the problem with shrugging and saying this is the only choice is that it's enabling him to further ignore our issues and priorities and to ignore all Democrats--that's how i see it and that's how he's acting even now.

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Submitted by amberglow on

i think.

even pushing downticket people that their own careers are at risk because Obama's not speaking to our issues is another option...there are tons of options.

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Submitted by willyjsimmons on

Had to do it. Sorry.

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Submitted by chicago dyke on

And verily I say unto you, if he wins this fall, we will never get our party back. Never.
We paranoid holdouts are strong right now. In four years, we will have become resigned to our fate as outcasts. The working class, the poor, women, GLBT, elderly and just plain sensible will be nothing more than a memory. We will have no power to petition the government for anything. UHC? A pipedream. Social Security? Just a pot of gold that the privateers can’t wait to get their hands on. Who you going to call? No one because w won’t have the money to make people pay attention to us.

really, i think a lot of that is just silly.

naderites and superpurists said the same thing in 2000. and you know what? more states have gay marriage now than when chimpy took office. the young are energized for liberalism, or at least, most of them. yes, we're Fucked in a lot of ways for which we will continue to pay, but let's all remember: the MIHOP dark fantasy of cattle cars and concentration camps hasn't happened. chimpy only has a few months to go, and i don't think he's going to Hitler-Out on us in that remaining time.

back up, slow down, take a deep breath. and remember: who are the *most* unpopular, least effective voices in the left today?

Naderites.

don't make yourself follow in that tradition. it's fine to be 'right,' it's another thing to Change People's Minds.

bleh. i'm 1.5 hours past the time i'd said i'd turn off this stinking computer. later, kidz. there are flowers who need my attention.

Submitted by lambert on

... and I'm surprised that you didn't think of it, is that Nader didn't have the support of about half the Democratic Party--and, at least according to DiFi, the majority of the popular vote.

So, from a historical perspective, CD, the Nader dog won't hunt. Can you give a better example?

[x] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

Submitted by cg.eye on

You mean the camps with the poison showers, or the camps where families are detained indefinitely, 'cause we've got those every time La Migra comes around with its raids (pre-announced for the convenience of the colluding meatpacking plants).

We've lost some serious effectiveness with many of the Amendments, and we might lose them all regardless of who's president, due to the permanent government that won't go away easily.

Still, what would it take for Obama to directly say, "I'll uphold my oath to the Constitution, even if that means investigations and trials"?

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Submitted by goldberry on

if Obama is not elected. In fact, I am quite aware of what is to come if McCain wins the WH. My brother will be going to Iraq as soon as he is finished with Officer's Training School. And yet, Obama does not inspire trust in me where Iraq is concerned. As for Habeas Corpus and the like, my own two senators in NJ voted for that horror of a bill that stripped it out. I was really angry with them over that. But after all, it is NJ and the hole in the sky where the towers once stood is visible from our side of the harbour.
I think politicians say what they have to say to appease their largest voting bloc and for John McCain that means Republicans. But I also know with 100% certainty that he has some very un-Republican positions too which he probably will NOT be highlighting. He has already put at least one industry on notice and he didn't mince words. (No, don't ask me. Just trust me on this. I've heard it from a reliable source) In many ways, he is very much like the Democrat you'd want to vote for.
So, do I want to elect a Republican? No. But if a Republican just happened to get elected anyway, this one would be the one that would be the least objectionable.
Yes, he has flaws. Yes, he is old. Yes, he sold out, quite a bit as it turns out. But with McCain, I get a shot to save the party I used to belong to. With Obama, I don't and he is likely to turn out to be even more like a Republican than McCain.
I won't lose a minute's sleep if Obama flames. And, if the Republicans run with a female VP, that could go a long to repair some of the damage that our own party has wrecked by savaging Hillary Clinton. The spiteful meaness that was launched against her by our own party will have repercussions throughout the culture at large. It gives men license to act badly and get away with it. McCain could actually reverse that somewhat by picking a moderate pro-choice Republican to run with him. Someone like Christie Todd Whitman would do quite nicely.
I am not advocating for McCain. I'm just trying to point out that it could be worse. The Democrats will try to strike fear into the hearts of us 18 million but what are they really saying? They are giving us very few reasons to vote for Obama and a lot of reasons to not vote for McCain. To me, a winning candidate is someone you feel comfortable voting *for*. McCain could give people a lot of reasons to do it. Obama is just going to destroy the Democrats. It will be the Democratic party in name only.
So, no, I have no problem with Obama losing. The world will not end.
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Submitted by vastleft on

...strategically, morally, etc. Not that you need or are seeking my permission.

I just ask you one thing: don't fall for McCain's fake left, throw right strategy, which he used so deftly on the MCA to claim the moral highground as a military torture victim... and then use that ground to ratify torture and the rescinding of habeas corpus.

He is one of the worst of the worst Repubs, and Obama's myriad ways of trashing our party won't make that not so. What you do about that, again, is up to you.

I won't cut either one of them any slack, I won't assess either one of them more generously than they deserve. I've made a decision, and others will make theirs. It's certainly the toughest such decision I've ever gone through as a lifelong Dem.

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Submitted by FrenchDoc on

The question is not whether or not to vote for McCain, that one is easy to answer. The important question is whether or not to vote for Obama, based on Lambert's equally (if not more) important question "And we get?"

Why endorse now? There is no need for this. Actually, I think it is self-defeating. Now that you have given your vote away (for those on our side, that's the last important tool we have), there is no need for Obama to commit to anything you demand. He's got your vote already. You may write as many critical and relevant posts as you see fit, but now, it's more of an exercise in futility since there is nothing left at stake for you.

You also give ammunition to the OFB's contention that, yeah, we bitch now, but we'll come home, battered and bruised to be sure, but we'll come home because we have nowhere else to go. Yes, your endorsement does that.

As for whoever stated that Obama is our tool, albeit an imperfect one but the only one we've got... I think it's getting it backwards. WE are his tools, along with the media, the DNC / Dem leadership. The question is whether we want to be used that way.

And I agree that the time to resist the hostile takeover of the Democratic party is now, not in January, not later. If we do nothing now, we're signing on the capitulation of the liberal wing of the Democratic party. And again, we'll look silly writing posts about the absurdity of post-partisan legislations that are nothing more than less-ugly conservative policies.

Submitted by cg.eye on

They don't pay attention to marches, letters, faxes, boycotts, and if they did, the MSM would smear them as being captive to special interests, to the point of impeachment.

If he doesn't risk now politically, when will he? Once he has the nuclear football, and the most powerful government in the world, to tell him no? He will be entirely dependent on his advisors and his funders for his second term, and that won't be us, no matter how the good the propaganda is about his army of small funders.

If we don't ask for anything for our vote now, when will we? If Obama or his handlers know we're voting for him anyway, what difference does asking anything make?

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Submitted by vastleft on

But I don't.

Obama skeptics / Hillary supporters have (despite all the BS and equivalation to the contrary) largely taken the high road throughout this process. I'm proud of us.

If some are harder or impossible to get than I -- so be it. I will continue to make it clear that it's Obama's doing, for running a divisive and disempowering campaign that pissed on and pissed off lifelong progressives, and which is likely to do so even more, as he tries to curry favor with those precious post-partisan indie voters that he drools over, whether they exist or not.

That said, I am now seeing signs among some (quite legitimately) aggrieved Hillary supporters of (quite unwarranted) generosity toward McCain, and that incites me to shit or get off the pot (we Americans have such elevating phrases, you know).

If others choose to keep holding out, I surely hope they'll be leverage to make Obama improve. That would be swell, but I don't see it happening. He'll pay a little lip service, perhaps, but that's about it. The damage is done, and his character (if not his agenda) is there for all to see, if only all would choose to see.

None of that changes the imperative of keeping the GOP the fuck away from the levers of power. I can't exaggerate how much I wanted the virtues of this year's Democrat, in a year when we really could have changed everything, to be more than "at least he's not John McCain." But that's exactly what's on the menu. Fucking sad, but fucking true.

Submitted by cg.eye on

"But I also know with 100% certainty that he has some very un-Republican positions too which he probably will NOT be highlighting. He has already put at least one industry on notice and he didn’t mince words. (No, don’t ask me. Just trust me on this. I’ve heard it from a reliable source)"

Just trust me on this.
I've heard it from a reliable source.

We got in trouble over trusting those who trust reliable sources, with Larry Johnson. And it's not just you; when CD said the Fix was In with Obama, she used the same tack.

How are we to trust what those sources say, if they are unable to publically stand beside their statements?

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Submitted by herb the verb on

I've said many, many times I won't vote for McCain, that I'm not sure if I will vote for Obama, that I will vote down ticket, that I think Congress needs to grow a spine, that the only leverage I as a citizen have at this point is my vote and what I say I'm going to do with it.

That all still holds. There is plenty of time until August, there is plenty of time until November. I'm going to wait and see what happens.

But I respect others to make whatever decision they need to make, and won't call them fools or baby-killers in the process.

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Submitted by goldberry on

I loathe those people. But I think the purists are in the Obama camp, not the "Paranoid band of shrieking holdouts" (PBSHs). The purists are the ones who couldn't come to terms with the fact that Hillary voted for the IWR but they had no problem with Kerry doing it. They hated the fact that she takes money from Lobbyists, but they had no issues with Edwards taking bundles from lawyers at law firms. There are probably a million other examples we could point to. But you get my point.
I'm no purist. I am voting strategically, not spitefully. There is a big differnce.
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Submitted by CognitiveDissonance on

My problem with that is the hostile takeover of the Democratic Party will become permanent if Obama is elected. That means it will almost certainly not change. The whole primary/caucus system will not change. I would expect it to get worse, now that the leaders that be know they can fix an election and get away with it.

I seriously doubt that criticism of Obama by progressives at this stage of the game will even be noticed. He has the Boy Blogz at his back. Why would he listen to or care about your critiques? I don't see you getting a single thing for your support, but a guarantee that the democratic party will have permanently lost their way.

This is precisely why I'll be a hold out and may even vote for the enemy. I can tolerate 4 bad years of McCain just as well as I can tolerate 4 bad years of Obama (and make no mistake about it - he is not a progressive and does not have an agenda in mind that any of us would ever endorse). I would rather tolerate neither. Thus I will scream as loudly and as often as possible into the faces of the democratic leadership for putting us into this no-win position.

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