We've all known for months now that we're not really uniquely American, that really we're all Swiss at heart [where's Krugman been? China? oh, wait], but it's bordering on laughable to call either RomneyCare or the pending DemoCare 'plans' Swissified. More like Swiffered maybe, as in the deformers reformers are going to wipe the floor with those of us who need health care.
Krugman is right about one thing, we'd be better off if we were Swiss, expensive as their system is: $750/month for a family, over $1000/month if you add all the bells and whistles. Still, according to the OECD, the Swiss spent $4417 per person in 2007, while we spent $7290. Who wouldn't want to slash their health care spending by 40%?

Just how Swiss are we going to become? We at chez hipparchia are fans, as you can see, but I'm thinking not very.
First off, we're going to slash spending by a whopping 2%, but with those savings happening in only ~40% of health care spending, it's more like slashing the budget by 1% [or less]. Looks like we're in no danger of losing our Uniquely American title on this score.
Second, we're going to have subsidies, so that ordinary people can afford this hugely expensive promise to pay our medical bills. The Swiss make everyone buy private insurance, but they subsidize the premiums for their lower income folks, we can too.
If you were a median household in the US in 2007, you had 2.59 people and made $50,740, which looks like it could put you at just over the 300% FPL line. Depending on what comes out of conference, the definition of affordable for you means somewhere between ~8% and 12% of your gross [before taxes] income spent on premiums, and up to $10,000 out-of-pocket spending [if your household is a family]. So affordable health care is ~30% of your before-tax income. Yay.
If you were a median household in Switzerland in 2007, you had 2.22 people and made $60,288. And you paid about 10.3% of that income in taxes, premiums, and out-of-pocket spending for your health care. Fewer people, higher income, lower health care spending for them; more people, lower income, [much] higher health care spending for us. Srsly, about as Swiss as we're going to get is the yodeling you'll hear from the public once they find out they've been had.
Oh, btw, that $10,000 maximum out of pocket doesn't include out-of-network spending, at least not in HR 3200 right now. Go out of your network and you'll pay whatever those doctors and hospitals decide to charge you. Which is as good a segue as any into point three. Does this sound like adequate protection from medical bankruptcy to you? Cuz, it sure doesn't to me. Even the conservatives in Switzerland would be scandalized:
The conservative Swiss President calls health care “a right,” and says it would be a “scandal” for the Swiss to experience medical bankruptcy, as many do in the U.S.
Next, how are we going to control costs? Besides the backroom deals, I mean, and wringing the waste out of Medicare and Medicaid, of course [ooooh! more mopping metaphors!]. Can't afford the insurance if we can't afford the care it's supposed to be paying for.
Why, we're going to rely on competition! Hell, even Paul "Why markets can’t cure healthcare" Krugman thinks that competition with a public option will help control costs:
That’s why I and others believe that a true public option competing with private insurers is extremely important: otherwise, rising costs could all too easily undermine the whole effort.
Dang, must be some good bud.
But lots of countries have public/private mixes in their insurance systems! cry the proponents of SwifferCare. And frequently they go on to stretch this to public insurance competing with private insurance. Which happens in lots of countries, no?
No. We can point to Germany and Australia, and that's about it. Even there, the competition is limited.
In Germany, about 85% of the population is in the public plan[s], whether they want to be there or not, and the other 15% [the richest, the self-employed, some others] have the choice of going with either public or private insurance. About half of them stick with the public insurance. Interesting factoid: a poll of those 'forced' into the public plan has 22% wishing they could go private and 58% preferring to stay in the public plan.
Australia is a bit weirder. Back in the 70s, their government instituted a more-or-less Canadian-style Medicare system. A later, more right-wing government tried to re-privatize it. The result is that today Australians can opt for either private or public insurance for hospitalization, and get some public subsidy to buy private hospital insurance. About 45% of Australians elect to go private. Some competition. I wonder how many would do so if there were no government subsidies for that decision.
Public systems with wimpy private options. Now there's a compromise I could support.

Circling around to the beginning for one last point [finally!], here's the Wonk Room's bit of silliness that I quoted in my Uniquely ... Swiss post:
In other words, American reforms would look a bit like the Swiss health system in which the government “leaves the provision of health care and health insurance in private hands” but creates a marketplace within which insurers can compete on price, and not avoid insuring the sickest patients.
Insurers in Switzerland compete on price?
No, says Uwe Reinhardt, the Swiss aren't all that price-sensitive in their health care decisions. No, says Timothy Jost, the Swiss often buy their health insurance as a package, with other insurance, and may keep their health insurance just because they also got a really good deal on, say, house insurance. And furthermore, insurance companies in both Switzerland and the Netherlands do engage in cherry-picking [attempting to avoid the sick], even though the risk adjustment schemes and regulations are supposed to discourage [or outlaw] the practice.
So why is the Swiss health care / health insurance system affordable?
Insurance is affordable because care is affordable, and care is affordable because, for all practical purposes, the government tells the doctors and hospitals and drug companies and insurance companies what they can charge.
Not only is it really that simple, but that's what all the other countries do too: France, Canada, Germany, Japan, ... [to greater and lesser extents].
It's worth noting that Germany is into managed care, and some of the other countries are fiddling with it around the edges, but most are heavily fee-for-service. Plus, Japan allows doctor-owned hospitals.
Not that we're going to do that, or even contemplate doing that. No, we're going to talk people out of wanting more care. And we're going to top it up with pay-for-performance, giving doctors and hospitals more money for spending less money on patients' care. Ceiling Cat knows, we could never ask fatcat CEOs to cut back, for instance. That would be unAmerican.
All this and I get to wait until 2013 too.
Oh well, somebody said banana peels would do.

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Krugman's got me scratching my head
(and I better cut that out before my scalp starts bleeding!)
In this blog post, intended to present a rationale for liberals still focusing on the public option (even though K's position seems to have shifted to thinking that we could do without it in a Swiffer system), he does mention that
Gee, d'ya think?!
But in the op-ed you linked, he says:
Seeming to gloss over the difficulties of imposing adequate regulation, as if they were something that mere "we can do it" good will could overcome.
And without adequate regulation, without a strong public option, what we end up with... is a system that requires people to buy "affordable" insurance which will be just as crap as the insurance we now "enjoy", and with "affordable" being defined by political considerations and means-tested subsidies subject to being put on the chopping block every time an administration takes it into its head to appear "fiscally responsible".
Paul, Paul, Paul...
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We can't afford not to have single-payer!
we wouldn't need a public option,
if we were willing to regulate the insurance industry, the hospital industry, the pharmaceutical industry, etc.
everybody's right, we don't need a public option, and really and truly, the 'public option' has been a distraction. [cf: all the whipping of progressives for the po, instead of whipping them for single payer, for instance].
krugman's right, we're not going to regulate anybody sufficiently right now. but he's overly optimistic in thinking that a public option is automatically going to 'discipline' any of these actors. [hehe, i'm listening to the william black video that davidson posted, and black just now got to the part about how the free marketeers were saying that market discipline would keep the financial industry in check.]
if we're not going to regulate them as closely as we need to, then we need to set up a system that everybody can turn to for refuge, on day one. everybody. day one.
the only one we can set up in any reasonable length of time is medicare, and to pay for it, we'd have to raise taxes. these aren't going to be done either, because people would leave the private insurance in droves.
so, we can do any one of three things:
- regulate all the industries involved, or
- ditch the insurance industry entirely and regulate the medical industry [hr 676], or
- set up a truly public option [taxpayer-subsidized buy-in into medicare] and protect it from the insurance industry.
Actually, we can do four things
"First, do no harm."
A bill that forces me to buy junk insurance is worse than nothing. And that makes the mandate a plain and simple bailout for the insurance companies.
"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mahatma Gandhi
you are correct, i forgot that one
but it's only an interim step to one of the other 3: regulate the industry, starve the industry, or kill the industry outright.
of course, there's always option 4, we allow the industry to kill us, both individually and as an economy.
irl, when i talk to people about medicare for all, and hr676, i'm now encouraging them to ask their congress critters to vote against the proposed reform bill. this is has been ridiculously easy, since i live in the midst of rabid teabaggers.
hipparchia,
let's talk about regulating the insurance industry a bit ...
First of all, wasn't rescission prohibited by HIPAA? It was called guaranteed renewal back then. I swear, I think they changed the term just so google wouldn't reveal that we're not really getting much that's new ...
Some might argue that it's different because the Feds can establish guidelines via HHS for all states to construct their own enforcement mechanisms ... but ... that's what happened under HIPAA. There are all kinds of legal issues involved when it comes to federal guidelines, like -- if states enforce fed guidelines. then the insurance companies can tie things up by suing the states in federal courts. IANAL, but my impression is that this area is difficult to navigate and that it's very easy to land up with legislation that would result in an even weaker regulatory environment than we have now (relying on state commissioners to pursue complaints).
Second, I've been looking at the stats from New York State -- specifically, at other types of complaints and grievances. First, for procedures not covered by insurance companies, it appears that the majority of cases are for experimental procedures. I would also say (haven't finished looking, so consider this preliminary) that more cases get decided in favor of the insurer, although a fair number are won by the insured as well.
Given that the industry is regulated, with enforcement through the states, and given that these exchanges are likely to be state-based, then what the heck is going to be so new and different? Are they selling us things we already have in principle? Doesn't that old saw about doing the same thing and expecting a different result kick in here?
hipaa is flawed regulation
[and no, i don't remember all the ins and outs anymore] and yes, its existence supports your case that yes, they're selling us things we already have in principle. not to mention that, while i haven't looked for this as hard as i've looked at some of the other provisions in hr 3200 and the senate help bill, i don't see a lot of regulatory teeth in either of them.
i'm firmly of the opinion that getting good legislation, and effectively enforcing it, is even less politically feasible than getting single payer. also, keeping scads of private insurers in the mix, even when well-regulated, just adds to the overall spending. there is some social utility in keeping this extra layer, if well-regulated, we have to employ people somehow, they might as well write checks to doctors and hospitals.
but aside from the fact that we're not going to regulate their financial activities very well, and we're not going to regulate prices on the provider side very much at all, the extent that insurance companies have distorted the practice of medicine with all their shenanigans is hard to calculate [since the ins cos don't have to reveal any of their data].
there's a one- or two-line provision in hr 3200 somewhere [i forget where] that more or less says that insurance companies can't delay or deny treatments/tests that are accepted medical practice, or words to that effect, and that patients can appeal to some board that hr 3200 will set up if they've been denied treatment, which is better than the binding arbitration that has been taking over all our contracts, but what sick person is going to have the wherewithal to do that? and what constitutes accepted medical practice? 'accepted' as it stands now often depends on what your insurer is willing to pay for, not what is necessarily is medically best.
so whatever social utility you get from providing them with jobs is negated by the harm they do when they practice medicine without licenses. drive a stake through the heart of the insurance industry, i say.
my personal preference is to take over all the hospitals, make all the doctors, nurses, and pharmacists into govt employees, and use the vha system, but i'm willing to compromise and support medicare for all, mostly because i also believe in supporting small business [which means that i also oppose the reform bills because they seek to encourage large group practices and discourage solo/small group practices, but that's an ideological viewpoint of mine].
one of the reasons for dumping the insurance industry entirely is that we need to do some heavy-duty regulating of the rest of the industries involved in health care too. get rid of the layer that's mostly parasitic and you free up resources to deal with the rest.
Krugman is wrong on Swiss model for the US
I'm sorry to say this, but I just don't see how any politician can credibly sell a tight regulatory environment while stuffing their pockets with money. The lower-level ones even sell kidneys! And people are surprised that insurance parasites poll better than the government, LOL!
krugman sells kidneys!?
sorry, couldn't resist.