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Somerby, that's who!

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Somerby's shrillness

is not inappropriate.
But damn, he grates.

Why not contact the objects of his scorn directly?
Because sometimes -- and this column is one such -- he almost descends into self-parody in the throes of his ecstatic denunciations. He's a half a hair away from becoming the Elmer Gantry of media critique.


We can admit that we’re killers … but we’re not going to kill today. That’s all it takes! ~ Captain James T. Kirk, Stardate 3193.0

1 John 4:18

Somerby has built a dossier on msnbc

And its vapid comfort food. Saying he has to register this criticism of public figures in private is commonly understood via the initials "STFU."

IMHO, he's both right on and very funny.

Criticize the critic

Not what's being criticized. Then you can make what's originally being criticized into the victim.

I saw some criticisms of the "attacks" on the tea parties and my initial reaction was to blow them off as right-wing. Then you see what's being said by progs about them, and its just hard to justify them. The decline of progressive standards has been rapid. Sad.

No tea-partier me, but I understand, I think, what

some of them are up in arms about: No Public Money for Private Failure is the big unified theme of the one down at the courthouse today. They're mad about the giveaways to the banks. Of course, they wouldn't throw a "tea party" over it back last September, because there was a Republican (w) in the White House.

But if feeds into their mythos against 'welfare' too. The local NBC station's GM gets on the news for "Consider This" every so often (irregularly, when his whitebread GOP sensibilities are offended by events). Lately he's been "urging you to turn out" for the tea party and "suggesting you act grateful for having a job in this economy". Very bush-league.


We can admit that we’re killers … but we’re not going to kill today. That’s all it takes! ~ Captain James T. Kirk, Stardate 3193.0

1 John 4:18

And it's "bush league"

... (and what fun Maddow and Cox would have with that!), to provide little more than juvenile snark for days on end.

It doesn't help that Maddow's got a tin ear for humor. Lord knows, I enjoy good snark, but when you have the bully pulpit that the gang on msnbc has and waste it on lame trivialities and poorly reasoned comfort-food, you're playing progressives for fools. And too many are lapping it up and patting themselves on the back for hearting Maddow.

no, I'm asking whether he'd have more effect unconfined

to the blogosphere. Has he in fact confronted Maddow or Cox with his complaints?
Come to think of it, has anybody?


We can admit that we’re killers … but we’re not going to kill today. That’s all it takes! ~ Captain James T. Kirk, Stardate 3193.0

1 John 4:18

Dumbing down of America

Its clearly a bipartisan effort.

Maybe this explains why academics are such horrible choices for jobs.

perhaps this pattern is the result of GE doing their homework

as Somerby suggests:

This is an entertainment strategy hatched by GE’s suits. (We’ll speculate about names next week.) As we’ve told you: Advertisers love getting access to the eyeballs of those who are young—and especially, of those who are young and dumb. It’s easy to get them to buy more dumb products. And let’s be frank: If you’re dumb enough to buy “news” like this, you will buy just about anything.

And there you have it. The notion that news programs are intended to inform rather than entertain is charming, but hopelessly quaint. The goal of the nightly news presented as a public service, with a modicum of objectivity and a desire to educate the masses about important matters, only existed for a brief while and has long since evaporated. It won't be coming back, at least not any time soon.

A modern news program is just another piece of the entertainment circus of our modern Rome, needing to justify itself to corporate goals as a profit center as much as does American Idol or Bevis and Butthead and so just as likely to be clueless, inane and full of fluff and garbage. If it were any other way, if GE or any television owners had any integrity, David Shuster would have long ago been taken out to the parking lot and shot.

Railing at Maddow or Olbermann for doing what they are paid by their masters to do is fine, I suppose, in the way one might grumble at the weather, but what exactly is the point? Is it expected that they will suddenly get serious and choose to delve deeply into complex arcana of corrupt political infighting or the true nature of our economic heirarchialism? Try that for a week and they'll find themselves fired and replaced by "The David Shuster Show" followed by "60 minutes with David Shuster" followed by "David Shuster Presents" because there is always some whore willing to do what you won't and for less money. If you don't believe me, ask Bill Moyers.

We have the quality of news we have, TV and print and radio, because that is the news "we" - the majority of "we" - actually want: either incompetent drivel or malicious hatemongering. I don't have an answer at hand, but unless the deeper problems of American simple-mindedness, bigotry and greed are addressed along with (justifiable) critiques of inane talking heads and pseudo-journalist shills we will at best just stumble from Wolf Blitzer to Andrea Mitchell to Anderson Cooper, blather and ineptitude on and on into infinity.

Compared to the vapidness of CNN or the vileness of Glenn Beck and Neil Cavutto, Maddow and Olbermann are breaths of fresh air and beacons of enlightenment and out of desperation I remain happy with their presence. That is the sad, sad truth, and the dirty low-down.

nope

We have the quality of news we have, TV and print and radio, because that is the news "we" - the majority of "we" - actually want: either incompetent drivel or malicious hatemongering.

polls have been consistent over the past couple of decades: roughly the same percentage of the population has always wanted, and still wants, the charming, hopelessly quaint real news of old.

real news has always been, and always will be, expensive to gather, analyze, and produce, and fluff has alwways been cheap, quick, and easy to produce. in the days of yore, media outlets, be they newspapers, magazines, radio, tv, newsreels at the movies, whatever, were content reaping outlandish profits from fluff, and using some of those profits to give us real news in return for our buying their fluff. then one bright sunshiny day, some greedy bastard woke up and decided that he could rake in massive profits by producing only fluff 24/7/365 and the media business went from turning a respectable 5% or so profit to 10% and 20% profit margins.

worked for quite a while too, until the tapeworm finished off the host and started eating its own tail.

nope to nope

got any links for those polls?

Here's a study from the mid-90s showing that saturation coverage of the OJ trial by NBC was enough to overwhelm the prior lead in ratings held by ABC where coverage of OJ was less extensive in favor of more substantive news stories. Fluff beat substance.

Here's another, looking at how viewer demand drives political partisanship in news reporting:

Abstract
Much work has shown that the media has the capacity to influence public issue salience and subsequent government policy, however little theory has been tested to explain news content. News firms in the United States operate in a capitalistic environment and rely upon a sizeable consumer base to remain in business. Given this, news firms may cater their news products to appeal to the preferences of audiences. This paper examines the influence of mass partisanship on subsequent issue reporting in the nightly network news over a period of twenty-two years. Time-series regression indicates that changes in macro-partisanship predict subsequent coverage of party-owned issues. This finding suggests that news firms account for mass opinions in their assessments of newsworthiness. This also implies that the media, charged with an important role in democratic governance, may provide citizens with what they want to know, rather than what they need to know.

It is a business, like any other. The networks spend a lot of effort to determine what their target audience wants, and then they try to deliver it. When the most-watched TV shows are exhibition wrestling, a completely fake crime drama and a cartoon, your average viewer will most certainly be pleased with juvenile puns about obscure sex practices rather than substantive policy wonk about the economy.

You and I want better, Dear Heart, but you and I are not the norm - not by a long shot.

did you hear me say 'norm'? no, you did not.

somewhere on the pew website is a report, couple of decades or so of polling, steady 20% [more? less? i forget] did want, do want, will probably continue to want, hard news, even as the fluffiness went up and the content went down.

from your link: ... this paper lends support to a “profit-seeking” theory of media content. A Profit-Seeking Theory The “profit-seeker” model of mass media (Graber 1980:58; Leighley 2004:51) asserts that the primary incentive guiding media firms is economic profit.

golly gee whillikers, did i not say that in my comment? that the media moguls are driven by profit? the formatting on that paper is hard to wade through, not sure i'll get back to it.

fluff is really really cheap to produce, and news is not. it's entirely possible that losing 5% profit on those viewers/readers/listeners who leave because they want only news is offset by the 20% profit margin on a remaining crowd composed of dedicated fluff-lovers and news-lovers who are willing to settle for whatever crumbs they can get. question: did the authors measure that?

example: you and i may both prefer hard-core news, but i cannot abide rachel maddow's new show, whereas you seem to be willing to at least put up with it.

[other than the fact that the country would be a better place if more people watched real news on tv, it's quite possibly a good thing that you and i are not, overall, the norm].

"willing to at least put up with it"

Covers a lot of ground, eh?

I did decide a few years ago to seek greater happiness by reducing the magnitude of my expectations. On balance, that's worked out well for me as an individual; I'm much less unhappy than I was about many things.

In example, my only political desire a year ago was to elect a president who was not a Republican and was able to properly pronounce "nuclear" so net-net I'm OK with Obama in spite of a number of specific differences on some goals and priorities. As well, I am relatively more pleased with Maddow in that hour slot than I was with Dan Abrams or than I would be with, say, David Shuster. Both Obama and Maddow are only a notch or two up the scale towards what I desire but the trend is in the right direction and so for that, the change in direction of the trendline, yes, I am grateful. Not joyful, not even fully happy and certainly not content, but grateful.

If we are going to have shallow, juvenile, innacurate reporting on the nightly news, and it seems to me that this is the case, I am also not particularly distressed that for a change the baseless attacks, rude jibes and purile mockery are being directed at the Right instead of the Left. Call me a slut, I don't care; the enemy of my enemy is my friend, at least until I don't need them anymore.

As to whether or not we disagree, perhaps I misinterpreted your comment. It seemed to me you were arguing that there was a substantial demand for accurate and informative news but now I see that you claim the number is more like one in five. (Still no linky, but I'll let that pass; see how tolerant and undemanding I've become?) So since we're agreed that the audience sucks because they are dull-witted and lazy and we're agreed that the corporate provider sucks because they are greedy and short-sighted, what is it exactly that led you to title your comment "nope"?

My take

1. Suck is suck, even if it's profitable. It sucks, so Somerby says it sucks.
2. The rubes who think it's non-suck, and in fact routinely gush about its awesomeness, ought to be exposed to honest critiques of the suck.

This is the way it is when suck is popular. Part of the problem with Dane Cook is that he's completely unfunny. The other part of the problem is that there's market support for his unfunniness. That doesn't put him, or his easily amused fans, beyond reproach.

The more people reject suck, the more opportunity there is for non-suck to flourish in the market. So, the critique goes on.

I may have to go back to light blogging, because...

I've begun a drinking game where I take a belt each time you rationalize shitty behavior on the part of our elites with "It's a fair cop, but society's to blame."

switch to dope

less of a hangover.

Arguing cause and effect is not rationalization but rather explication - or so it seems to me. In my view manifestations like Maddow's and Olbermann's behaviors, choice of topics, treatment of serious matters with frivolity, simply reflect the deeper and to me far more disturbing demands of contemporary American society. I find that reality to be a much more daunting challenge to understand and overcome than the antics of any particular prime time entertainer.

I'm not arguing against calling out Maddow or anyone else when they are wrong on the facts, or for that matter just because there is disagreement with or disgust at a particular approach or tone. What I am submitting is the thesis that there is more to the story, more to the problem, than Maddow herself or even her employers. It is important to me that the larger problem, the greater danger, not get ignored or lost in the shuffle of chastising people who are in my opinion nothing more than superficial symptoms of a deeper and more malignant disease. The opinions of others, of course, may differ.

My reply to the assertion of Somerby

You simply can’t build a progressive politics by letting a bunch of upper-class kids disinform average people.

is that you also can't build a progressive politics from a platform owned lock, stock and barrel by a corporatist giant whose sole focus is profitability when that profitability depends on satisfying the needs of shallow thinkers glued to the Tube for the purpose of being entertained rather than informed. Both media and democratic politics operate using demand-driven mass-marketing retail sales models. Until a way is found to change the focus of demand towards greater substance, the supply side will continue to produce products that meet current consumer requirements for frivolity and malice.

Maybe I need to come at this in a more formal way, a structured argument with thesis and evidence and conclusion sort of thing. Meanwhile, best wishes to your liver.

Not a Neilsen house, but an NCIS fan here

so ... sue me, I guess. I don't use the TV for news (except sports and weather) 'cause it's just so silly (not to mention biased to the right so far the screen tilts when the local NBC station's GM comes on to give "commentary").


We can admit that we’re killers … but we’re not going to kill today. That’s all it takes! ~ Captain James T. Kirk, Stardate 3193.0

1 John 4:18

everyone needs a fantasy outlet

I liked NYPD Blue in the beginning, in spite of the unlikely eye candy. Pairing Richard Belzer as Munch with Jerry Orbach's Lenny Briscoe was brilliant, the attitudes made L&E plausable. But I can't do NCIS, or any of the CSI family either. The only character of the whole lot of current crime dramas I can feel for is Abby Sciuto, because I too have talked to my laboratory equipment.

I'll confess I'm a fan of Sponge Bob, so I guess we both have our weaknesses. Perhaps I was stretching a bit to make the point, but WWE and Bill-O? That can't mean anything good.

I too have talked to my

I too have talked to my laboratory equipment.

small potatoes, dude. i've sung to mine.

haven't lived until you've sworn at the sample containers

lemme think back ...
meet the FedEx guy, sign for the boxes.
Open the boxes, pull out the wadding.
Discover the plates are stuck (joy. air samples, on agar, in plastic.)
Reach in to unstick them.
Bring back a handful of goo, and sharp splinters.
Joy.
It's 3 feet to the half-gallon bottle of lab-grade alcohol; I kept a 4-ounce tube in my desk, refilled no less often than once a week, just to have some to wash my hands after unpacking sample boxes and checking in plates.

Send the unbroken plates on to the lab. Get the results back the next day, or the day after if the plates didn't sit over a weekend before arrival. Discover that the goo and psychedelic-colored crap soaked into the wadding, the plate labels and the cuts on your fingers from pulling splinters out of the box was Stachybotrys.
Ecstasy.

Yeah, I love Abby. But McGee is my favorite, 'cause he gets yanked in all different directions depending on what's wanted (so much like my life, especially as a junior-grade AIQ tech). Plus he's a writer and he's got a working brain. Gibbs is the kind of boss I once had, and really loved having -- if you work for an SOB who *loves* you, you're set. OTOH, if you work for any other SOB in the world, you're SOL.


We can admit that we’re killers … but we’re not going to kill today. That’s all it takes! ~ Captain James T. Kirk, Stardate 3193.0

1 John 4:18

Best-case scenario? Poll results were slanted

as all polls (from Neilsen, in which you can opt not to play) to web-log polls self-select for people willing to take the time and trouble to respond.


We can admit that we’re killers … but we’re not going to kill today. That’s all it takes! ~ Captain James T. Kirk, Stardate 3193.0

1 John 4:18

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