That's just...Bushian.

One thing that's always bothered me about Obama, and this dates back to his big 2004 DNC speech, is the God talk. I don't want to know about a politician's religious beliefs, and I have a real, deep discomfort with the use of religious imagery in campaign materials.

Bush joins too. I don't think Bush listens to Metthew either.

God help this country; there may be a dynasty in the offing. (I don't mean McHero.)

quarter" in the primary season is becoming more and more like a Francois Trufault film, more and more surreal.

I love this job!

because he says he missed all the sermons.

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“A true friend stabs you from the front” -Oscar Wilde

And clinging to religion is a way to express his frustrations.

Seriously, though: won't this remind voters of Wright?

I love this job!

Number one, this won't work. The hardcore religious people here in KY, who would be swayed by this from another politician, vote Republican IMO, or they are African American, and he probably already has their vote.

Number two, this will remind people of Wright, especially the "sit in church" line. Then they will remember that they don't feel Obama is an ally* to them.

Number three, who's the guy behind the writing?

I'm a religious person, though not a member of the the Big 3. Being in a religious minority, I've never felt like I needed by beliefs pandered to, the only thing I've ever wanted from a politician is that they demonstrate respect for all people religious beliefs or lack thereof. This flyer does not do that. It plays on the same beliefs that got Bush elected twice, and it disgusts me.

*I think this is why the non-AA working class are flocking to Clinton. They don't want a savior, like Edwards, or a change agent like Obama, they want an ally. An ally may not always do things you agree with, they may not even be a person you like, but you feel that they will help you fight your battles. Clinton exudes this, and being married to the Big Dawg helps. Will they feel Obama is a better ally, if it comes down to Obama vs McCain. I don't know. I honestly think that most wil feel they don't have any allies in the race, and so with someone who "represents their values" whatever that means.

Bill Clinton for First Dude!!!

And they said that Hillary would stoop to any level to become president. This photo tells me all I need to know about this phony.

Seriously, this can't be real can it? It's gotta be some photoshop thing.

I mean it looks like he just climbed down OFF that cross.

If this is real (and I can't quite believe it is), I would say that if Hillary did something like this, I would be through with her.

This is WRONG. WRONG! We are not electing a minister, we are nominating a president, and (again, if this is real) this is the absolute worst conflation of the two I have ever seen.

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Good night and good riddance!

I thought it was bullshit except for how Obama handled it (which I think was poorly) and what it meant for his electability. But how do you call bullshit on using what his minister taught if he's touting his religion - and his sitting in church - as a reason to vote for him? I guess they think the Muslim thing is more damaging than the Wright thing.

Me? This shit just makes me worry about him going wobbly on my reproductive rights.

Between this, sweetie and NARAL's endorsement, I'm tempted to do a post revisiting Obama's "present" abortion votes and that bullshit story he cooked up with Planned Parenthood to try to cover his ass (because the story makes absolutely no sense).

[rimshot. laughter]

[x] Any (D) in the general. [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

Holy shit, check out the marquis lights on the cross.

Don't all deluded narcissists sincerely claim they are fulfilling God's will?

How about just seeing to the people's will and tend to your heavenly garden on your own time. [CD, I thought of you as I wrote this line.]

...throughout the race and country. What's surprised me is that few people have caught on to this. I'm a scholar of religion so I'm obviously not only trained but also prone to see religious imagery more than others **but** if you've been to Obama's website -- the style and design is in the manner of the propaganda --materials and designs-- used by Evangelical Mega Churches. I was shocked the first time I saw it and further shocked that no one in the media has mentioned it. It so obviously looks like a mega church site that I can't explain how anyone could miss the similarities except for the fact that many in the media and creative class are largely unfamiliar with religion beyond a cursory understanding of a faith's professed ideology.

That said, much of Obama's appeal, presentation, and pitch has been borrowed from American Protestantism -- everything from cadence and specific language/rhetorical techniques to the process of conversion and the setup and tone of his rallies. It's never been much of a wonder to me why, the working classes haven't embraced Obama the way others have since those working class folks that have grown up in Protestant churches, particularly Baptist, Methodist, and Pentecostal or "low churches," that don't follow Catholic/Anglican/Lutheran structure, have seen everything he does before and since childhood. Further, sociologically speaking, the more educated you are the more likely you are to fall for complex rhetoric (whether it has meaning or not) and the more likely you are to join a cult/new religious movement <-- that's just the facts and there are a lot of reasons for that susceptibility.

To me, Obama has always come across as an old time traveling minister that puts on a great show and converts the masses before moving on to the next town with a pocket full of coin. He's simply removed enough of the obvious cues (Jesus, hell, condemnation, sin, etc.) to get away with his secularized pitch for salvation via coming to Obama.

Will hearing about how important his church is to him make people (anyone) in Kentucky vote for him?

Because I thought that exit polls indicate that Wright is considered an issue??

Now that I know this is real and not a trick I realized it would have made a great quiz or bet.

Which party's leading candidate would send out pamphlets of him/her standing at a pulpit in front of a cross so large it could have a banner on it saying something along the lines of, for example, Mission Accomplished?

I would have said, "The Republican party, naturally.", and I would have lost.

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Good night and good riddance!

it hasn't worked out really well.

He used these in PA, SC and other states too-and the older ones actually mentioned Wright--i wonder if these do?

this is a reminder of who his spiritual mentor is and religion is something that just doesn't work for Obama now...the well was poisoned.

I do appreciate the URL at the bottom though...bringing the KY to BarackObama.com surely makes sense...

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2...

I think it's the "Called to Christ" part that's about Wright and his church.

"bringing the KY to BarackObama.com surely makes sense…"

Budda boomp, crash!

Thank you, thank you folks, he's gonna be here all week, two shows on Friday!

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Good night and good riddance!

...propaganda as compared to Obama propaganda? I could also see the Obama rally compared in image to the Mega Church...

...for the rallies. I'm running off a Linux LiveCD on my computer since my hard drive is blown so saving images is a bit difficult for me. However, I think it's a great idea. I'll see what I can come up with but it may take me a little more time than normal. I'm under the weather and moving slow right now. I've had serious of bad events in real life and all of that.

at the "Compassion Forum", Obama said women need to discuss abortion with their pastors...

"OBAMA: Those of us, like myself, who believe that in this difficult situation it is a woman's responsibility and choice to make in consultation with her doctor and her pastor and her family." -- http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0804/13/se.01.html

(cue Colbert)
The very first negative comment I ever posted about Obama, about six months ago, is one in which I said that he was the Leftist's version of Bush and that he also was a photo-negative of Bush.
He's proven me right time and time again.

Bush's tendency during his campaigning to lay his hands on women, particularly women who were in no position to defend themselves or say anything. I recall a photo of Bush with his hands resting on the shoulders of a seated woman working an asembly line. She had no way to resist of remonstrate his actions. Plus, we've all seem his "shoulder rub" or Angela Merkel (I still find myself shaking my head in wonder that he could do such a thing to a countries political leader!). Bush would also addres women questioners in a familiar manner which was not one of, well, respect.

Sweeties for Obama-NOT.

"coming to Christ," while it may be designed to ward off charges of his being a Muslim, also make mention of Rev. Wright and his statements totally fair game for the ReThugs in the general.

His campaign is walking a thin line here, defend his conversion in his late 20's vs. not mentioning the nature of the sermons in his church.

Slightly along the lines of this topic, this morning, on WNYC's public radio station in NYC, the station's political reporters were discussing McCain's appearance at the Liberty Park Science Center being used to embellish his environmental credentials. They then mentioned there were three lifesize cardboard figures of the three remaining presidential candidates, McCain, Obama, and Clinton. There were large groups of students at the Center, and some would go to figures and do silly things or just touch them, etc.

One little fourth grade boy hugged the Hillary cutout figure and the reporter asked him why he did that. He said it was bcz she would make a good president. The reporter asked him about the other two figures, why didn't he hug them. The little boy said, as reported by the reporter, that Obama was of a different religion. What's that, he was asked. "African American, I think," said the 4th grader.

Now, I'm not sure what this was supposed to say about the boy, his parents, his school, or Obama and Clinton. What the host and reporter made the "take away" is that Obama is viewed by many as The Other, and the country may not be ready for voting for The Other. Al Smith in the Twenties was mentioned as an example. Yikes.

Have you all seen this:

It's the cover of the Wilmette Weekly in Oregon for the issue in which it endorses Obama. I'm with her, I can't tell if it's intended to be tongue in cheek or if these folks are serious. I'd tend towards the former, but so often when I've thought something was intended to be humorous this campaign season, that's turned out not to be the intent behind it at all.