Via scary smart Anglachel, I’m inspired to quote Federalist #10, compare:
The Utility of the Union as a Safeguard Against Domestic Faction and Insurrection
By a faction, I understand a number of citizens, whether amounting to a majority or a minority of the whole, who are united and actuated by some common impulse of passion, or of interest, adversed to the rights of other citizens, or to the permanent and aggregate interests of the community.There are two methods of curing the mischiefs of faction: the one, by removing its causes; the other, by controlling its effects.
There are again two methods of removing the causes of faction: the one, by destroying the liberty which is essential to its existence; the other, by giving to every citizen the same opinions, the same passions, and the same interests.
It could never be more truly said than of the first remedy, that it was worse than the disease. Liberty is to faction what air is to fire, an aliment without which it instantly expires. But it could not be less folly to abolish liberty, which is essential to political life, because it nourishes faction, than it would be to wish the annihilation of air, which is essential to animal life, because it imparts to fire its destructive agency.
The second expedient is as impracticable as the first would be unwise. As long as the reason of man continues fallible, and he is at liberty to exercise it, different opinions will be formed. … From the protection of different and unequal faculties of acquiring property, the possession of different degrees and kinds of property immediately results; and from the influence of these on the sentiments and views of the respective proprietors, ensues a division of the society into different interests and parties.
The latent causes of faction are thus sown in the nature of man; and we see them everywhere brought into different degrees of activity, according to the different circumstances of civil society.
It is in vain to say that enlightened statesmen will be able to adjust these clashing interests, and render them all subservient to the public good. Enlightened statesmen will not always be at the helm. Nor, in many cases, can such an adjustment be made at all without taking into view indirect and remote considerations, which will rarely prevail over the immediate interest which one party may find in disregarding the rights of another or the good of the whole.
The inference to which we are brought is, that the causes of faction cannot be removed, and that relief is only to be sought in the means of controlling its effects.
If a faction consists of less than a majority, relief is supplied by the republican principle, which enables the majority to defeat its sinister views by regular vote. It may clog the administration, it may convulse the society; but it will be unable to execute and mask its violence under the forms of the Constitution. When a majority is included in a faction, the form of popular government, on the other hand, enables it to sacrifice to its ruling passion or interest both the public good and the rights of other citizens. To secure the public good and private rights against the danger of such a faction, and at the same time to preserve the spirit and the form of popular government, is then the great object to which our inquiries are directed. Let me add that it is the great desideratum by which this form of government can be rescued from the opprobrium under which it has so long labored, and be recommended to the esteem and adoption of mankind.
By what means is this object attainable? Evidently by one of two only. Either the existence of the same passion or interest in a majority at the same time must be prevented, or the majority, having such coexistent passion or interest, must be rendered, by their number and local situation, unable to concert and carry into effect schemes of oppression. If the impulse and the opportunity be suffered to coincide, we well know that neither moral nor religious motives can be relied on as an adequate control. They are not found to be such on the injustice and violence of individuals, and lose their efficacy in proportion to the number combined together, that is, in proportion as their efficacy becomes needful.
And that is why we had a Constitution, a republican form of government, checks and balances, the Bill of Rights, etc.
Contrast Madison to the shallow “philosophy” of “creative class” schwarmeri like OFB
Stoller, when he proclaims the triumph of his faction:
I’m curious about Obama’s governing philosophy … We have a leader, and he’s not a partisan and he can now end fractious intraparty fights with a word and/or a nod. … He is also, and this is fundamental, someone that millions of people believe in as a moral force. …
Or this from OFB Bowers, where, again, it’s all about the Leader:
Obama has all the markers of a creative class background, from his community organizing, to his Unitarianism***, to being an academic, to living in Hyde Park to shopping at Whole Foods and drinking PBR. These will be the type of people running the Democratic Party now, and it will be a big cultural shift from the white working class focus of earlier decades. Given the demographics of the blogosphere, in all likelihood, this is a socioeconomic and cultural demographic into which you fit. Culturally, the Democratic Party will feel pretty normal to netroots types. It will consistently send out cultural signals designed to appeal primarily to the creative class instead of rich donors and the white working class.
Or even (sigh) DDay at Digby’s succumbs to the triumphalism, and, I would argue, with more than a little naivete:
Obama’s bet is to mass such a large group that nobody could possibly compete with him in a left-right matchup from either side, and so he offers the options of “unite or die,” to borrow the phrase from the John Adams miniseries.
But wresting away ALL the power and consolidating it is I think a misunderstanding …
Really? Why would you think that? People are who seizing and consolidating power tend to understand what they are doing very well; and tend not to be amendable to outside advice — just like that poor FaceBook volunteer Obama threw under the bus when all this started.
… of how inside and outside groups can be mutually reinforcing and part of a more vibrant cultural and political movement, and how the culture is moving toward more decentralized, more viral, looser networks to organize. Obama’s movement, based on unity and hope, is working because politics is of the moment, a fad, Paris Hilton. To sustain that, you must institutionalize engagement, civic participation, awareness and action, even in a non-horse race year, as a necessary facet of citizenship. And there’s no reason to shut down reinforcing progressive structures that can keep it fun and interesting and vital.
Really? It was a coincidence, then, that WVWV — an organization that registers women — was hit with a ginned up scandal just when Obama was about to roll out his own drive? This is not about “fun,” dday!
We are not yet here to stay.
Obviously not, since a lot of “us” are being written out of the party.
The progressive organizations, the advocacy groups, even the blogosphere may be ephemeral if it doesn’t sustain itself. If the flow of money keeps moving in only one direction…
And that flow would change direction why?
…. less people will be able to continue the work (I hate that Obama isn’t paying his organizing fellows, perpetuating that myth of “psychic income” and barring entire classes of people from the process).
And poor or working class people not being able to become Obama Fellows and trained to organize would be a coincidence why? Obama’s got more money than God!
Recapping DDay: Obama’s in “join or die” mode and at least threatening/considering to “wrest ALL power” — though DDay thinks that would be a bad thing; all the money is flowing one way — and DDay thinks that’s a bad thing; and nobody poor or working-class can be trained to organize — And DDay thinks that’s a bad thing.
Anything wrong with Stoller, Bowers, and (sigh) DDay’s picture? Anything at all “progressive” about the insitutional structures Obama is setting up, now that his faction is poised on the brink of triumph?
See any differences here?
Which political philosophy do you prefer? Obama’s? Or Madison’s?
NOTE *** Bowers carefully airbrushes out UCC (Wright’s Church) and replaces it with the harmless Unitarian. Teh funny!
UPDATE I should also note this paragraph from DDay:
There’s a bit of overlap, but our role is going to be radically different and to a degree unwanted at first; see the Barack Obama MySpace page incident. There’s a happy medium here, but it requires a great deal of consideration and study.
This reminds me irresistably of the money quote of the decade, if not the century:
The aide said that guys like me were “in what we call the reality-based community,” which he defined as people who “believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality.” I nodded and murmured something about enlightenment principles and empiricism. He cut me off. “That’s not the way the world really works anymore,” he continued. “We’re an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you’re studying that reality — judiciously, as you will — we’ll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that’s how things will sort out. We’re history’s actors… and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.”
Of course, the “creative class” is, too, all about “creating reality”—although for their faction of choice. That’s what the WWSTBQ wankfests are all about! And DDay wants “a great deal of consideration and study”… Because the great irony, so far, is that the reality-based comunity, if indeed it ever existed, has been worsted at every turn. Cue OFB trolls chanting “rules” and “math”!









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stunningly narcissistic
when i saw the quote you included from chris bowers, i was sure the comment about the “creative class” was sarcastic.
but, good god,
the idiot is sincere.
he really believes there is a social entity called “the creative class”. that’s just foppish.
he really believes that the netroots world he lives in will become the soul and substance of a “new” democratic party.
dumb? definitely
deluded? apparently?
inexperienced? unquestionably
narcissistic? absolutely (“we are the ones we have been waiting for”)
this young intellectual punk think his gang is going to take over the democratic party.
what am i reminded of?
what am i …?
oh, yes.
“THE BEST AND THE BRIGHTEST”
marching into the pentagon in january, 1961.
the hyper-smart, can-do kids from corporate america with guru/Svengali robert macnamara their leader.
i’ve taken the liberty to include here the entirety of bowers paragraph about the creative class and senator obama.
i am angry and stunned at the arrogance displayed.
Chris Bowers wrote:
[Cultural Shift: Out with Bubbas, up with Creatives: There should be a major cultural shift in the party, where the southern Dems and Liebercrat elite will be largely replaced by rising creative class types. Obama has all the markers of a creative class background, from his community organizing, to his Unitarianism, to being an academic, to living in Hyde Park to shopping at Whole Foods and drinking PBR. These will be the type of people running the Democratic Party now, and it will be a big cultural shift from the white working class focus of earlier decades. Given the demographics of the blogosphere, in all likelihood, this is a socioeconomic and cultural demographic into which you fit. Culturally, the Democratic Party will feel pretty normal to netroots types. It will consistently send out cultural signals designed to appeal primarily to the creative class instead of rich donors and the white working class.]
James Madison?
Was he one of the characters in that John Adams miniseries?
I only saw the 1st 4
So I didn’t catch him, though I got to see Franklin, Jefferson and of course Washington.
WTF
is up with the miniseries reference though? Was DDay just trying to be hip, or are they completely unaware of the real historical reference that flag from intro came from? And it was Join or Die(which was actually the name of the 2nd episode!!!) not Unite or Die.
Bill Clinton for First Dude!!!
Wow. Frightening stuff. It's almost like these folks have
played too many video games and these concepts are modules to create an alternate universe.
I love this job!
yup--opposition is built in to our system--
it’s the limits on each branch, and the frequent elections in the House, and the majority voting rules, etc, that was purposely constructed so that no one person or group would ever have all the power forever.
they knew what the House of Lords was too—and didn’t want it here.
The GOP tried it recently
Look how that turned out.
They had organization, record-setting fundraising, a new media approach (talk radio + their own propaganda/news cable channel + direct mail + churches + think tanks) candidate recruitment and marketing.
That was when Newt executed his Contract on America. The Big Dawg foiled that plan, so they came back with the “K” Street plan and G-Dub. Rove even added the DOJ to the plan.
Vertical integration and all three branches of government under their greasy thumbs.
Now these geniuses want to model our party after the GOP, except they want to be ideology-free.
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” … we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender …”- Winston Churchill
Obama's Stoller
“We have a leader, and he’s not a partisan and he can now end fractious intraparty fights with a word and/or a nod.” This quote from Matt Stoller is an excellent example of Obama-think.
10,000 Years people have been doing politics the same way. There are different interests and factions. The Talmud is Jewish law arrived at by arguing differing opinions. In a democracy, they discuss the issues and the majority prevails. But now good people the world is reborn through a guy who loses debates but otherwise is godly. His nod will change humanity; he will end the intraparty “fights.” (By the way, the intra party fights are called democracy, but never mind.)
Stoller statment also implies that after Obama the full god, Broder is the semi god. After all, he blamed the intra party fights for bring hurricanes, cyclones and the sun not shining at night.
I cannot tell what is worse for the country: Obama losing in a landslide or Obaba winning. For sure, say good bye to the Democratic party that existed from FDR to Bill Clinton. May we should say good bye to democracy as well. After all, Obama can do everything and he just might try to.