No damn cat. No damn cradle.

Kurt Vonngegut

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What you mean "our," white eyes?

Your life, maybe.

Please, get away from me, will you? Get away. Far away. Stop yammering. Stop it. Stop it.

We. Are. Going. To. Die. We must restore hope in the world. We must bring forth a new way of living that can sustain the world. Or else it is not just us who will die but everyone. What have we got to lose? Go forth and Fight!—Xan

I always find it fascinating that the libs freak out about stuff like this so much. Whats the big deal? He is simply attributing importance to a higher power and making the philosophical point that some things are outside the bounds of man. Does that really freak you out? Its a message that anyone of any faith can embrace. Its a great message to kids, etc. Quite frankly its humbling. We should all aspire to be so truthful.

Joe

Its a message that anyone of any faith can embrace.

or even athiests for that matter.

The problem with that statement is Huckabee didn't run for chief executive of Arkansas, he ran for minister in chief. There's a little detail that shows up in the Constitution that makes it a problem. Try reading it sometime.

Who cares about the First Amendment and the separation of church and state?

Who cares about The Enlightenment?

Who cares about governance?

Who cares about kids who get so freaked out by religious brainwashing that they go on shooting sprees, assuming they can get time out from being buggered by the pastors.

The only thing that matters is Jesus and an endless reign by noble, moral Republicans. Lord knows, they're doing a heck of a job humbling the United States.

"... when you took your oath of office, you placed your hand on the Bible and swore to uphold the Constitution. You didn't place your hand on the Constitution and swear to uphold the Bible."

corinne,

Again, the message is that some things are outside the bounds of man. Anyone of any faith can embrace that message. I never claimed everyone of every faith would agree on the literal words he used, but they would agree on the point that he made. Its a shame people cant look past the words for the meaning, isn't it?

vastlefty,

There is a big difference between freedom of religion and oppressing religion. "separation of church and state" is about freedom of religion, however the secular movement has tried to make it mean the later.

Joe, here are Huckerbee's words:

[T]he real answers lie in accepting Jesus Christ into our lives.”

Maybe you can spend a little time here explaining how "any faith can accept that message"?

We. Are. Going. To. Die. We must restore hope in the world. We must bring forth a new way of living that can sustain the world. Or else it is not just us who will die but everyone. What have we got to lose? Go forth and Fight!—Xan

But ill do it again:

The words were: “I didn’t get into politics because I thought government had a better answer. I got into politics because I knew government didn’t have the real answers, that the real answers lie in accepting Jesus Christ into our lives.”

The message is: some things are outside the bounds of man.

Replace JC with the figure of your choice. This isn't that complicated.

But I enjoy the chance to share my opinions here. If I'm unwelcomed, the site admin has my email and if I'm asked to stop ill have no problem with that. I don't want to offend anyone, I just wanted to point out the way I saw it.

Joe

You're seriously asking us to believe that Huckabee, an ordained--though possibly not degreed Southern Baptist Minister, and an evangelical, when he says:

[T]he real answers lie in accepting Jesus Christ into our lives.”

he really means:

[T]he real answers lie in accepting _______ into our lives.”

What do you think Huckabee is? Some sort of namby-pamby, ecumenical Episcopalian?

We. Are. Going. To. Die. We must restore hope in the world. We must bring forth a new way of living that can sustain the world. Or else it is not just us who will die but everyone. What have we got to lose? Go forth and Fight!—Xan

“I didn’t get into politics because I thought government had a better answer. I got into politics because I knew government didn’t have the real answers, that the real answers lie in accepting Jesus Christ into our lives.”

imagine someone standing up and saying:

"I didn't get into religion because I thought the Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary had a better answer. I got into religion because I knew the Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary didn't have the real answers, that the real answers lie in accepting Charles Darwin into our lives. Evolution, it's bigger than all of us! Vote for me for President of the Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary!"

translation: i (Mike Huckabee) got into politics so i could become the governor of Arkansas and proselytize from a well polished tax payer subsidized government pulpit. (And get free presents from Target).

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... but I think I know where our disconnect is. It's apparent you are looking at this at such a technical level (memories of Critical Thinking classes back in college come to mind when I read your analysis). If the objective is just to technically analyze quotes you could have a field day with any of the candidates -- in fact there's no need to stop there, you could do this with quotes from anyone in any profession. I'm not looking at this that way at all -- I'm simply taking a common sense approach.

I think you have an interesting argument for a critical thinking class, I just don't see the application it has in the real world, with people making more quotes than they can remember. Do you really want people to refrain from speaking until they've constructed their thoughts into non-exclusionary, non-offensive-to-everyone, PC compliant statements? I guess I just don't understand the gut reaction you have to a statement like the one you posted. Do you really think he meant something bad by it? You can just look at it for what it is without trying to nit pick it?

It is what it is

You have a gift for making things into their opposites.

Because you apparently like the idea of elected officials proselytizing for our lord and savior Jesus Christ, you do quadruple lutzes to pretend that baldy theocratic Christianist statements are just metaphors or Mad Libs.

For example you say...

There is a big difference between freedom of religion and oppressing religion. “separation of church and state” is about freedom of religion, however the secular movement has tried to make it mean the later.

A serious presidential contender is running largely on his relationship with an ethereal figure. As a sitting governor, he pronounced that the only solution to our nation's problems is to buddy up to that one specific ethereal figure. You spin concern about this blatant violation of the First Amendment's establishment clause as religious oppression.

And can there be a much more absurd PC position than calling America's massive, powerful Christian majority "oppressed"?

Are you sure that college class you took wasn't "Magical Thinking"?

Please wake me when Opposite Day is over.

Speaking of dropping crap, nice job twisting concern over elected public officials urging citizens to come to Jesus into forbidding them to express their faith.

What a tiresome strawman that is, and always the refuge of people who want to justify our emerging theocracy.

No one is saying that politicians or anyone else in this country isn't free to express faith in mythical creatures.

And thanks for bringing up Jimmy Carter. He wrote an entire book about how this incipient theocracy imperils our nation.

Also, I believe the best president (dictator, anyway) Panama ever had was the drug lord that George H. W. Bush's CIA propped up... until it got too dangerous to allow him to talk.

I love it. Joe thinks that this quote:

[T]he real answers lie in accepting Jesus Christ into our lives.”

and this quote:

[T]he real answers lie in accepting _______ into our lives.”

are the same.

The thing that I truly dislike about Christianists in general, and evangelists in particular, is how dishonest they are. The thing I dislike almost as much is how persistent they are. They are impelled to be, I suppose. They just go on and on until soe larger forces causes them to stop.

We. Are. Going. To. Die. We must restore hope in the world. We must bring forth a new way of living that can sustain the world. Or else it is not just us who will die but everyone. What have we got to lose? Go forth and Fight!—Xan

If I were to say:

[T]he real answers lie in accepting the Flying Spaghetti Monster into our lives.

or, hell,

[T]he real answers lie in accepting Satan into our lives.

Would you agree? You seem to be saying that as long as you admit that all matters are ultimately out of your hands due to some "higher power" meddling in human affairs, you're a good leader.

Sounds like a ready-made excuse for another four years of fuck-ups who shift the blame onto the Almighty.

But I still believe
And I will rise up with fists!!

just take another hit on the meth pipe. your brain is functioning just the way your dealer jeebus wants it to. don't trouble your pretty lil head with anything other than the state of our souls, mkay? it's what you're here for.

wow. i think you think you're a sane, intelligent person, and i pity you for that. drunk and uninformed is no way to go thru life son, even if your drink of choice is jeebus juice.

Yes.

We. Are. Going. To. Die. We must restore hope in the world. We must bring forth a new way of living that can sustain the world. Or else it is not just us who will die but everyone. What have we got to lose? Go forth and Fight!—Xan

T]he real answers lie in accepting Jesus Christ into our lives.”

I think that this statement simply means that Jesus Christ is the answer to all problems.If Huckabee goes into office will everyone be forced to be Baptist? I mean I'm christian, but I think that the whole reason he's running is so that he can save the lives of the Hethens in the world from the firey pits of hell. Although stating this Huckabee will not be allowed to enforce the ways of the church into the ways of the government.If this would be so what is the reasoning for the constitution, our whole government would be a joke.

What Huckabee means is that his answers are in my life.

I don't think so.

[x] Any (D) in the general. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.