Jeebus, Jesse Jackson's name was placed in nomination when the Dems nominated Dukasis, and he didn't have near as many delegates as Hillary does, let alone a majority of the popular vote. So what if it's symbolic? What could be wrong with the symbolism?
So what is the party Formerly Known as Democratic thinking, if indeed it is thinking?
Bros before hos?
NOTE Yes, I am aware that, as a Hillary supporter, I have, and can expect to have, no influence whatever over the future direction of the FKD, and that my only role is to shut the Fuck
up and use my racist hands to write racist checks from my racist bank account, but still, I'm curious. Maybe some day I'll find out!
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Why indeed
I've been asking "why" for a long time. Why were FL & MI VOTERS screwed? Why did Kerry and Kennedy try to work so hard to take ou Hillary on Super Tuesday? Why didn't FKD make more of a fuss about the gross discrepency between caucus and primary when it would normally have caused an outcry? Why did FKD sit silently in the face of the misogyny? Why was there such a strong push to force Hillary out even though she was winning?
Why? Why? Why? Why? Why?
Something has been fishy for a really long time.
Check the terms of your enlistment, soldier
Do you see anything there that allow you to ask "Why"?
Thought not.
[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.
"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mahatma Gandhi
Didn't Leah
Tell you to STFU
on the whole racist bent?
No, we had a full and frank exchange of views
The so-called Democrats who smeared the Clintons and their supporters as racists are going to pay for it, if I have anything to do with it. And since I have no money to get their attention, the only way to do that is to inflict pain on them. And so it goes.
[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.
"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mahatma Gandhi
Well
I'm glad you got past her concern trolling. More power to you on this one specific angle.
For pity's sake
One of the horrid things about this primary is how formerly powerful charges have become normalized -- "racist", for one, but also "troll." An administrator knows what a troll is, because he or she has to deal with them all the time. Leah, as would be obvious to anybody who's actually read the blog for any significant amount of time, is not a troll. Sheesh.
[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.
"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mahatma Gandhi
Well, I can't claim to be a long timer
But have been reading this blog for the better part of about 18 months, much of which time Leah didn't post anything although you begged her to for some time, IIRC.
posts, to some degree or another. I did read the entire post regarding the lawsuit Corrente faced recently and thought it was brilliantly, yet simply, laid out.
When she did post or reply in a thread ISTM, IMO, that the main thrust was to temper down others posts, and complain about the opinions new posters had. IOW, a series of STFU
I've also had several posts never show up, mysteriously always when I disagreed with Leah. IMO, the majority were on point and had no abusive language.
I didn't mean to call Leah a "troll" necessarily, and apologize for that term. I recall her indicating she was tired of the usage of "racist", which seems like a very important part that needs to be repeated until it sinks in to everyone exactly how it was played during the primaries. I did see your rebuttal to that post, and agreed with it. More to the point, I've started just skipping past anything I see posted by Leah so I guess that will be the end of that, at least for me.
If anything "mysteriously didn't show up"....
... it was caught in a spam filter, or had some really, really vile abuse in it (like anti-Semitism). I'm the only one who does that stuff.
[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.
"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mahatma Gandhi
Geez and pass one more opportunity
to humiliate Hillary and piss off her supporters? No way!
Go Global!
I don't get it either.
The list of "what the f*ck are they doing?!!!" is so long and the contributors so many that it's overwhelming. What is the root of all this? It's so galling, undemocratic and vast that yes, it does seem like a conspiracy. It's weirder than Bush being reelected in 2004. The overreaction to everything Hillary must be masking something. They keep kicking Hillary and her supporters in the face with no qualms about completely alienating us. Why? What are they overcompensating for? Are they just drunk on their own hate? I'm no longer a member of the D party. They disgust me. I have spoken to at least a dozen women (in San Francisco!) who are furious with the party. Hell, the vegan yoga instructor in my office building is now voting for McCain. I'm trying to get her to vote for Cynthia McKinney even though I too am a racist.
Hillary Clinton, The Man of My Dreams
Hillary Clinton, The Man of My Dreams
I don't remember anything like this ever before
The media has become so very weird. No hard questions, openly mocking candidates, totally in the tank for what seem to be the most superficial of reasons.
Hillary was ridiculed for days for over-dramatizing a story, but no one questions Obama about his meager resume, his gross exaggerations and dissembling on matters of substance, his failure to do any work in the Senate, and his disgraceful employment of blogging hatchet men during the primary and now.
Apparently an “open convention” is one in which a stadium is filled with sycophants and a frontrunner’s name is not put in nomination. And the press is unashamedly silent.
I am a 53 year old (read dried up), white (read racist), female (read bitter), life-long democrat (read dead-ender).
Nasty little kids who registered to vote because it was a way to get free concert tickets are driving the direction of my party. They get paid to blog comments like, “She [Hillary] should be fucked with a pitchfork.” I am haunted by those words and stunned that, for many of “the new demographic”, political activism has been reduced to the anonymous degradation of anyone who is unlike them. They were supposed to believe in hope, change, and unity. Why are they doing what they're doing and why are they behind this candidate?
So…if someone could explain it to me, I’d much appreciate it.
As Germaine Greer once said
"Women have no idea how much men hate them."
And yes, yes, I know, not all men, yada yada yada. Still.
Male Democrats, and not a few female ones, have been smarting under their classification as pussies for the last 7+ years. A shitload of them decided that, rather than point out there's actually nothing wrong with being female, they'd simply prove they're Real Men who hate cunts and fags just as much as the Republicans. The thought of running an actual cunt for the Presidency - as the face of their own Party - made their little weenies shrivel to the point where you'd need an electron microscope to find them. And we can't have that, now can we?
So. Fuck
Hillary Clinton with a pitchfork. Fuck her dried up old spinster hag supporters with a chainsaw. That's what you do to uppity women, as a warning to the rest to keep their lipsticked mouths shut and their waxed legs open as required.
They don't want her name on the nomination ballot
because she might win. They can't allow that.
Obama is always at his best when he runs unopposed.
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“But hysteria is all the rage these days, I guess” - gqm
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“I don't belong to any organized political party. I'm a Democrat.” - Will Rogers
Can I steal this?
I am a 53 year old (read dried up), white (read racist), female (read bitter), life-long democrat (read dead-ender).
I only have to change the age to 52 and it's ME! Can I, can I, can I pleeese use it on my blog? It's perfect!
Carissa at BlueLyon
'Cause, She'd Crash the Party, Of Course.
Dean and Pelosi wouldn't want to ruin their whole little faux "unity" thing, now would they? They've sent us the emails telling us that we're already united, and that we better stay that way. Placing Hillary's name in nomination could have the possibility of crashing the Unity
Party, don't ya know, and we can't have any of that.
If their selectee didn't come out of the convention with the nomination they'd have to eat pots-full of crows, and even worse yet, they'd have to pretend over two whole months to like her! *gag*
What hell her nomination will have wrought on the party if Teh Precious had to actually face Hillary ON AN EVEN PLAYING FIELD, for once. Talk about having performance anxiety.
BTW, does "party unity" still count if you have to force it with threats and under duress? lol
This is the best thread
real edgy questions from real edgy minds. And a few real edgy answers, too. Lambert, you're not only getting angry, but dangerous too. If some bozo hadn't already used it, I'd say that sends a thrill up my leg. So I won't say it.
I don't think Obama is a Democrat at all. That party was the one available, so he took it. Or, actually, those who secretly back him took it. And guess who sold it to them?
When Hillary started getting in the way things got ugly. Name calling happens when things get ugly. And when the one holding up the guys is a gal, she gets called some nasty things. And yes, that's called misogyny.
This is not a Democratic convention. At least, not in the way we've come to understand the idea of Democrat. You know, like the way it's been since FDR? This is the Obama Democratic Convention. The post-partisan Democratic Convention. The Unity
Democratic Convention (by 'unity' they really mean interparty, not intraparty, predecessor to one party...aha! the master plan. But first gotta let the D's fatten their wallets, too). And this year the convention is by invitation only because, well you know, it's a private party. So Hillary only gets to come if she's a good girl.
Even though Chicago was her home town before it was Obama's hometown...and the DNC's.
Feh, I'm a C list blogger
Not dangerous at all.
[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.
"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mahatma Gandhi
Don't listen to Lambert
He's a man of influence. Paul Krugman agrees!
I predict a pro forma roll-call vote.
Or rather, since I don't make predictions about things I'm amazingly ignorant of, like electoral politics, I would predict a roll-call vote if I didn't care what kind of fool I made of myself.
I would predict the usual pro forma roll-call vote, with everything going just as it always has.
Why?
$52 million.
Policy not party!
My theory, FWIW
Let's look at who is supporting Obama. It is young people who are looking forward to mountains of debt, It is affluent liberals who like to *think* about problems but don't want them in their backyards. It is Libertarian Democrats who want the freedom to do whatever the f$%^ they please but none of the responsibility. And it's moderate Republicans, the country club set, who felt unwelcome in their own party.
Now, what do these people have in common? Well, except for the young and the African-Americans, none of these constituent groups needs governmental assistance for much of anything. That's what gated communities and incorporated township managers are for.
The rest of the Democratic party have become the equivalent of Bangladeshis overwhelmed by a typhoon. The Obamaphiles cluck their tongues and say, "Those poor people. They shouldn't have built their houses on a rich river delta so close to a gulf. What did they expect?"
See, THOSE people are going to start costing the Obamaphiles a LOT of money soon, especially in the form of medicare. But if we reform medicare and healthcare and keep an eye on social security and fund programs for better education for the poor, that will come out of the Obamaphile's pocket and they are feeling uncomfortable with that. *They* are now the working class and they are feeling the pinch. All their years of education isn't giving them the return on their investment they were promised and it is simply not their responsibility to care for these people. So, the latch onto Obama's hope. If it turns out that he can't solve the problems of the poor because he doesn't know what he's doing and the Republicans have cleaned us out, it's hardly THEIR fault. They can safely be rid of the parasites without a guilty conscience.
Kenedy, Kerry, Pelosi et al know that it's going to be really hard to straighten everything out and they are not getting money from the underclass. They don't have the bucks to lobby. Therefore, they will not be the constituency that is served. There's nothing in it for the politicians/
Come together at The Confluence
Come together at The Confluence
Basically my perspective...
... modulo the fact that plenty of their fears aren't reality based -- like single payer would actually save money.
From the standpoint of campaign contributions, the base was a low performing division, so, as in any hostile takeover, you shed it.
[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.
"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mahatma Gandhi
What about Gore
He's of the older, more liberal wing, yes? Although he did not endorse a primary candidate, an NPR interview very late in the game in which he used the standard Obama lines about "the math" and "the rules" made his preference clear. I was upset at first, but in hindsight realize that at this point the writing was on the wall, and his futurist agenda requires that he win over young voters. He must be fearing Obama's environmental commitment, though, especially after this.
Never forget...
Said Super-delegate Donna Brazile to CNN, "If 795 of my colleagues decide this election, I will quit the Democratic Party. I feel very strongly about this."
PS - I switched my party affiliation from Democratic to Independent, and Brazile is one of many reasons why.
OxyCon
Hey Carissa
Gee, I'd let you use the description, but you're younger than me and I'm jealous (read typical catty bitch).
Of course you can "steal" it. I'm honored.
eight and counting
I read a story indicating that eight of those super dupers are ready to change their vote back to Clinton. Three are elected Democrats. If her name is placed on the floor, how many others might change their minds on the floor?
Do y'all think this Edwards story in the NE might be to get rid of the competition? Clinton cronies and all?
peter
Hillary wants something
more than help with getting her money back and paying off the debt. Maybe SCOTUS, maybe a big speech at the convention, who knows. Obama and his crew want Unity
, everyone together and single-focused, and if they can get her to give up the roll call and pledge her delegates they can put it on as a show of party unanimity - and no small consideration, also eliminate any chance of last-minute revolt.
There’s no upside to the Party, and potential risk, in appearing divided (appearing divided being deemed more damaging than actually being divided). If Hillary were as far behind as Jackson was, it wouldn’t be an issue; as close as the final count would be though, it could be played by the press as a deep divide and hurt the desired image of a new, organized, buttoned-up unified Democratic Party.
Hillary’s choice, certainly; it wouldn’t do to just gut her delegates in public, so they have to negotiate and she doesn’t seem to be in any big hurry to fold. She should hang on a while longer, just never know, but in the end I wouldn’t be shocked to see her give a seconding speech for Obama and ask her delegates to join in giving him a unanimous vote on the first ballot.
Justice Clinton would be a fair trade.
And we get?
I guess we'll find out. Won't be a genuine universal health care plan, that's for sure. Like so much else, as I keep saying, if that was going to happen, it would already have happened.
[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.
"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mahatma Gandhi
Ah, Lambert; it is your constant cheery optimism
that always brightens my day. It is good that you think a consideration for the needs of the little people would be amongst the topics being discussed. Delusional, but good to stay optimistic regardless.
What do "we" get from an insider political deal between Hillary and Barack? Not bloody much immediate, is my guess. Longer term, if you're convinced that more power for Hillary will translate into something beneficial for the masses, maybe a SCOTUS vote denied to the WayWacko crowd will turn out to be helpful.
If "we" want something, like UHC, then "we" will have to figure out how to seize it.
Is there a good synopsis of convention precedents
Can anyone point me to a good link or two so I can properly adjust my outrage? I don't have enough data for an opinion on this. Hurry, someone, because opinions are the air I breathe.
If Hillary's name is placed in nomination
and there is a roll call vote, then the nominee will be chosen by the supers. Brazile would have to resign! (She would keep her word, wouldn't she? What would mama say?)
What I'd like to know is how and at what point would the supers vote? Would it be a secret ballot?
If so, the result could be shocking.
I have a friend who was married to an abusive ass who badgered and bullied her to vote one year for a candidate of his choosing rather than her own. She stood her ground for a while and then finally capitulated when she realized that her personal safety was at risk.
To this day she gives thanks for the secret ballot. She was safe in that booth and voted her conscience rather than her fears. And the bully never knew exactly who helped defeat his candidate.
There is no secret ballot for the nomination
Each state votes in turn, the delegation leader - usually the state chair but not always - reports the results of polling the delegates to the Convention Chair. The individual state polling is open and on the floor simply as a practical matter, it could be done in secret somewhere else, but the announcement of the state tally is done openly and in public so the state delegates can challenge it if the numbers are not accurate.
The superDs vote with their state delegation, all at the same time; in the tally reported to the Chair, there is no differentiation as to the type of delegates.
Jesse wasn't a threat--Hillary is.
that's the whole thing--they can't allow a reinforcement of just how many big Blue states and actual Democrats voted for her--even after we were told over and over that Obama was "the nominee".
They know how weak he is, and will continue to protect him and bully and attack everyone who points out any of it.
Amberglow, can you help?
Do you know of a decent link or two that fairly summarizes the precedents demonstrating how Hillary would traditionally be handled at the convention?
lemme go hunt some down--
i do know for a fact that this is unique--it's never been this close delegate-wise--Teddy and Jesse were not even close to having enough delegates, nor was Hart or Brown.
this has lots of info, but
no links-- http://hillbuzz.blogspot.com/2008/04/why...
"... In 1980, the Democratic Convention was held in New York City, with sitting-President Jimmy Carter challenged for the nomination by Ted Kennedy. Despite Carter having 2,129 delegates to Kennedy's 1,150 (and Carter's 37 states to Kennedy's 12), Kennedy contested the nomination through the convention and actually fought to switch delegates from Carter to himself. That's right, Obama-supporter Ted Kennedy fought for the nomination through the convention, despite trailing Carter by roughly ONE THOUSAND delegates. There were no calls for Kennedy to quit, despite this 1,000 delegate difference between them.
Fast-forward to 1984, and the infamous San Francisco Democratic Convention that so inspired Jeanne Kilpatrick. Walter Mondale carried 19 states, Gary Hart took 27, and Jesse Jackson won 4. The race was not decided until June, on what was then called "Super Tuesday III", when South Dakota, New Mexico, West Virginia, California, and New Jersey voted (all states, save the yet-to-vote South Dakota and West Virginia, that Hillary Clinton has won in 2008, incidentally). Mondale entered the convention with 2191 delegates, Hart 1200, and Jesse Jackson 485. Once again, roughly 1,000 delegates separated the two big contenders for the nomination, and both Mondale and Hart battled it out through the summer and the convention, with no calls for anyone to drop out. Obama-supporter Jackson himself vehemently refused to drop out, despite being a distant third. No one told Jackson he didn't have the right to fight to the convention.
In 1988, Michael Dukakis, Jesse Jackson, and Al Gore contested the nomination, with Dukakis winning 30 states to Jackson's 9 and Gore's 7. Jesse Jackson contested all primaries leading up to the convention, scoring 1218 delegates in the end to Dukakis' 2687. More than 1400 delegates separated Dukakis and Jackson, yet no one told Jackson to just give up and go home (that made the second time Jackson fought for the nomination to the convention). Jackson ran a spirited campaign and used his strong second-place finish to enact most of the proportionality reforms that have created the close contest between Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama in 2008 (Clinton would be close to securing the nomination today, on April 24th, if pre-Jackson, winner-take-all primaries still existed).
Bill Clinton did not secure the Democratic Party nomination until June in 1992, entering the convention in New York City with 3372 delegates to Jerry Brown's 596 and Paul Tsongas' 289. Clinton won 39 states, Brown won 3, and Tsongas won 6.
..."
a reminder-the media treated Hart like they do Obama--
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/articl...
Irony
It is all Jesse's fault:
"Hillary Clinton asks not to be nominated"
-- http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics...