
Just when you thought you'd heard it all, Campbell Brown finds a new reason to crucify Hillary Clinton.
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She's totally clueless.....
even writing about how her one year old child can do a better assessment than she can. Maybe if the pundits started calling Hillary 'Madame X' it would short circuit that wiring in each of their brains that trips out every time they think of the word "Clinton".
What would Brown have said if Hillary pointed out the grossness
of the chief speech writers' prank? She would then have critcized Hillary as not capbable of being a team player, by her very presence creating dissenion on the "team," or some such thing.
Now, the picture itself damns Favreau--and the archness of Clinton's spokesperson's remark underlines his juvenile behavior. But that's just me.
If I suffered from CDS, I would probably find something off about what she's done.
Conflicted
about HRC's response to this incident. The Favreau photo deserves a strong response: Hillary's was a diplomatic one. I would have liked her to have issued a stronger one but didn't happen.
What the photo does, is question the primary campaign language supposedly written by Favreau since he was the primary speech writer; statements like " periodically" and the finger and scratch. It appears that we are to presume he is acting age appropriate - 27 years old - and to give the guy a break.
Perhaps the question is: Is this Obama generation so inept in gender sexism that they really don't now any better? Are they so completely dismissive of how their statements and jokes
effect others? Are they being raised to continue the assault via words that are dismissive of women?
I have a lot of thoughts about a 27 year old, 25 at the start of the campaign, becoming the primary speech writer for Obama. In the end, I wonder "where were the grownups"?
But she hasn't really issued strong statements
About the sexism directed at her. She's called attention to it, often using humor (such as when she cracked jokes about the "Iron my shirt" guys). But she's had to walk a very careful line. She's aware that she will be crucified as a whiner if she calls it out strongly (witness the reaction when she called out the "pimping out Chelsea" remarks). She also knows that even the mildest statement about it will be blown up into "Clinton thinks any criticism is sexist" territory.
So, she goes for humor. Which accomplishes the following: It makes the idiots perpetrating this self-evidently misogynist frat-boy shit look stupid, and it makes her look like she's in control of herself. And it still points out that it's sexist.
And because she is, in fact, calling attention to this behavior while not putting the focus on her own reaction to this behavior (which would allow the behavior to be dismissed, because if a woman is upset about something, it must mean she's oversensitive, not that the behavior is wrong), she keeps the focus where it belongs: on Favreau and on Obama. Who now has to deal with Favreau.
And Clinton comes out smelling like a rose if Favreau is fired, because she didn't call for his head -- she offered him a job at State, after all. But if Favreau isn't fired, then Obama winds up looking bad, because the focus remained on Favreau's behavior, not Clinton's reaction to it.
Good, zuzu
Spot on. Clinton's behavior is the correct approach for someone secure in themselves and their power. What she says directly to Obama may be something quite different, but her public tenor is pitch-perfect.
I do wish though that we would all get past the demand for firing of everyone who screws up on moral issues. The Right demanding that Bill be fired was wrong, and it is hard to come up with something more sexist and demeaning of Hillary than boinking the hired help in their own home. If Progressives can forgive Bill, then surely this kid can be forgiven groping a cardboard cutout now that he's apologized.
It's also the correct approach
for someone living under rules where defending yourself from rampant and entirely baseless charges of rooting for / plotting your opponent's assassination is characterized on "progressive" blogs such as Balloon Juice as "playing the victim card."
Can we stop with "this kid" stupidity please?
Let's try using his title, so we get some idea of context, here. Here, let me help you out:
Favreau is Obama's chief speechwriter.
And a misogynist.
Quelle surprise, given what we experienced in the primaries.
First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win. -- Mahatma Gandhi
It's not a "moral issue."
It's not a "moral issue." It's sexual harassment, which is discrimination. The question presented to Obama now is, is he going to allow his Administration to be a hostile environment for women?
Because this guy is going to be the Director of Speechwriting in his Administration. And while Favreau can't do anything to Clinton, he will undoubtedly have women under his supervision. And not only that, because it has been brought to Obama's attention, Obama now has to decide whether he wants to create a working environment in which male supervisors' public acts of misogyny as identifiable members of the Obama Administration do not have any repercussions.
Basically, he's just been put on notice that he's got himself a liability problem in Jon Favreau.
Finally, "this kid" is 27, has worked as a speechwriter on two presidential campaigns, and has been named to a supervisory Federal position. Not to mention, if you're going to piss about my use of "kids" to describe high school kids, then you really don't have any room to talk here.
Well argued, Zuzu
Now it's a workplace issue, too.
First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win. -- Mahatma Gandhi
I give the guy till Monday
Then he is history, or at least that's the way that most administrations would handle this kind of internal controversy.
This is exactly the kind of red meat that sends Versaille into full happy dance. Tomorrow morning's Village
shows are going to be one big laugh riot, at Clinton's expense primarily.
"Ho, ho" they will say, "just, look what Obama's people can do to Hillary and she will just take it like a bitch, won't she?" Boys, will be boys, all in good fun, what did she expect anyway?
Obama's response to this will tell the Village (and all of the rest of us) exactly what to expect out of him for the next four years, and exactly how much respect he has for his Secretary of State. It will set the tone for the treatment shown her both here and abroad from here out.
What would he do if senior members of his staff were caught depicting Biden in this disrespectful a manner? Chief speech writer riding a cardboard Biden giving him a "reach around" and another pouring a beer in his mouth?
I think we know the answer.
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I'm not such a bad guy once you get to know me.
Monday, 2016?
That would be my guess. *** crickets *** everywhere; the behavior is now normalized. Well done, self-identified progressives.
First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win. -- Mahatma Gandhi
However poorly stated, I think Brown has a point here
I dislike the whole "blame the victim" tone but surely Sen. Clinton could have found a way to criticize this clearly sexist behavior while still being perceived as a "team player"? (and if not is it really a "team" she wants to play for?) Hillary, is one of the most powerful and respected women in the world now and if she just laughs this kind of shit off it sets a bad precedent for other people trying to fight sexism. If she really feels she has no choice but to accept this garbage that is sad in itself.
Hillary can't win, can she.
She fights for women and will continue to do so. When she went after David Schuster, oh the howling that ensued! She's not afraid to do what's necessary. In her situation and position, humor is a perfectly acceptable way to handle to the behavior of these clowns in this case. They look more the fools. Perfect.
Why is this all about Clinton's reaction?
Or rather, about her reaction, at all???
Brown's maneuver is classic aid-the-misogynists, -harassers and -rapists. Put the focus on the victim. What did the victim do? How did the victim react? Did she deserve it? Was she asking for it? Does she act sufficiently traumatized/offended/demeaned/dispirited enough to satisfy our craving for her debasement before we allow that the perpetrator's actions may warrant punishment?
Deflect, deflect, deflect attention away from the perpetrator, the symbolic effects on women generally ('member all those posts we had about the importance and transcendent nature of symbolism, folks?), and by all means possible away from the Obama campaign. No matter that Obama's included on his staff a person who feels entirely comfortable not only denigrating women in private, but in a world-wide public forum; no the REAL issue here is how Clinton reacted.
If that isn't in the primary CDS symptom compendium, I don't know what is.
Clinton didn't create or foster this situation. So why is she the one, of all the potential players, being held responsible for correcting it? For reversing the effects of sexism and misogyny for the whole freakin' world? For producing the perfect response, the response that will eradicate misogyny and free the world? Why the f*ck should she have to answer it at all?
Why is no one fretting and twisting about is Obama's response? He's the sexist fuckwit's boss. Of course this mental child should be fired, but Obama (or Emmanuel or some-fucking-one-elect) should at least have issued a statement disassociating themselves from this behavior. For bleeding jeepers' sake, during the campaign Obama et al criticized his opponents for statements that were never made against him. But here, not even a sotto voce tut tut from our Village
friends. Nope, not gonna go there; the only way to go is to turn this around so it's somehow Hillary Clinton's deficiencies that are the issue.
This is far worse, in my mind, than Samantha Power's monster comment. And even though she's back in favor through the back door, at least she was out temporarily.
I don't give a damn what Clinton's reaction was. I don't care if she hired a band and sponsored a festival in Favreau's frakkin' honor. This isn't about her. Any woman's cutout could be in that picture. Why isn't the big drooling story about the eternal void of a reaction from every other major political figure in the United States, rather than nitpicking over Clinton's response?
Because the problem is not that we have too little condescension from our tribe. -- okanogen
Bingo and Bravo!
This is exactly the problem with Brown's 'commentary:'
"Brown's maneuver is classic aid-the-misogynists, -harassers and -rapists. Put the focus on the victim. What did the victim do? How did the victim react? Did she deserve it? Was she asking for it? Does she act sufficiently traumatized/offended/demeaned/dispirited enough to satisfy our craving for her debasement before we allow that the perpetrator's actions may warrant punishment?
The question is when are women (and men) going to stop doing this to other women?! The bill is past due.
One thing I've found interesting is that women my age (X and Y generation) have been the worst regarding this with a few primarily class based exceptions (anecdotally of course unless someone has a study that backs that up).
That said, my unscientific observation of the women around me (primarily women from the South East but transplants as well -- I'd love to hear what people are seeing in other regions) has been that a whole lot of women are STILL pissed about what has happened this year across demographic groups and regardless of age, race, and socio-economic status. Things have changed, I think perhaps forever, here for a lot of women. There's a lot of defiance and anger that's out and above the surface that normally would not be shown or spoken of.
PB 2.0 - Supplement the wonk!
Very well said
I don't quite agree that Clinton's response is meaningless, I think it does send a message which isn't entirely good. But on the other hand, Obama's response to this is much more important. Despite sexism bubbling up over and over in his campaign he has maintained that he is not really a sexist or tolerant of sexism. Here's is chance to prove it by firing these assholes. If he doesn't fire them, journalists like Brown should spend a lot more time questioning that than questioning the victim's reaction.
But given what we've seen all year I'm not holding my breath...
Except she'll never be considered a team player
After she shook the rafters of the Dem convention with her pitch for Obama and much more, what was the response from the pundits and bloggers? "Gates is trustworthy, but the Clintons cannot be trusted, they spell drama, she'll run a rogue State Dept that will unilaterally bomb Iran, she'll sabotage him so she can run in 2012" etc., etc.
What will Obama not reprimanding him do to her as SoS?
Anything? To me, that's far more important than how Clinton reacts. If Obama thinks it's fine to have someone work for him who's so clearly made such a bigoted (and sexualized) gesture to Sen. Clinton specifically, will it make it that much more difficult for her to deal with misogyny from foreign representatives? I don't think that many foreign heads will consciously try to dismiss any US SoS (obviously), but she'll inevitably have to deal with bigotry and I'm just curious what the effect of having Obama essentially agree with it do? Especially since sexually humiliating a woman adds another inflammatory layer to the bigotry, one that is bound to be a big no-no in many conservative parts of the world (e.g., Middle East, South Asia). Not having Obama protect her from this bullshit sends a message she isn't worth protecting, no?
UPDATE: I just read the upthread comments and it seems Herb the Verb is thinking like I do about Obama's message (assuming he continues to remain silent on it, thus, agreeing with it).
Moving forward
The problem for Obama (should he chose to acknowledge it) is that giving the morons (Favreau or however you spell his name) et. al. a pass and handing them big, fat positions with big fat checks attached and a verbal slap on the wrist sends a message.
I said better what I meant earlier here:
What I should have added is that he also demeans her credibility in his cabinet position in this country as well. Versailles
also can't help itself, they will see her as permanently irrelevant if this idiot gets away with demeaning her in this fashion. Every initiative she introduces or statement she makes will be followed with endless speculation, "is Obama on board with this?" "Is Hillary going off the reservation again?"
This is supposedly "No Drama Obama", why would he allow key staffers (like his chief speechwriter) to create the drama.
A usual suspect is unimpressed:
In other words, they can humiliate her as much as they want, since I used Putin as an example and he (in that writer's opinion) is supposedly completely uninterested in anything either Obama or Clinton propose. Demean at will.
Whatever, I would be shocked if they sweep this under the rug. I know if any of my employees did something similar towards another employee, I would can them without a nanosecond hesitation.
Translation: Demean away?
is that
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I'm not such a bad guy once you get to know me.
Not just humiliate her, but her gender
Favreau couldn't have made his mockery of her gender any more obvious. Hearing people deny the obvious is like hearing someone seeing a person in blackface and honestly ask, "How is that possibly ridiculing black skin color?!"
Finding the ridiculing of your SoS is bad enough, but embracing that ridicule on the basis of gender (or any other bigoted factor) and it's much, much worse. I keep thinking, what if George Bush embraced a racist staff member who mocked a Powell or Rice cutout knowing how bad racism is in many parts of Europe (Spain!*)? How could Bush possibly keep such a person on staff afterward? Even if the foreign heads weren't remotely affected by it, the population certainly would get the message.
*I couldn't even go to football matches it was so bad. They were constantly verbally abusing and throwing damn bananas at their own (black) players! Jesus.
Yes, always a good test: "WIBDI"
http://correntewire.com/no_ponies_for_chris