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From tonight’s “Real Time with Bill Maher":

Bill Maher: I'm not trying to be sexist here, but I'm just saying that women try a lot of different tacks when they're in arguments.

Harry Shearer: Do you remember the website in the 90s , where it was all her different hairstyles?

Maher: Well, hairstyles.

Harry Shearer: Yes, but now there's going to be a website with all her different personalities.

Maher: Well, we made a montage, actually. Just to show you that, just -- I'm not being sexist -- I'm just saying that men, when we argue, we're kind of a one-trick pony, we try our one thing, and then we --

Shearer: We yell.

Maher: And then we sulk when we don't get our way.

[Plays a clip of Hillary, misty-eyed at a campaign event]

Maher: But look at Hillary Clinton. Because the first thing a woman does, of course, is cry. [Affecting a dramatic, teary voice] "I just want to be happy. Why can't you just love me?"

Maher: And then they go to sweet talking.

[Plays a clip of Hillary complimenting Obama at a recent debate]

Maher: "You're the best thing that ever happened to me! And you look so handsome in that tie!"

[Plays a clip of Hillary saying "shame on you" about Obama's "Harry and Louise" brochure]

Maher: And then they throw an anger fit totally unrelated to anything. "Stay home and watch the game. See if I care."

[Plays a clip of Hillary mocking Obama's soaring rhetoric]

Maher: And when it doesn't work, they bring out the sarcasm. "Oh, I'm just a woman, I couldn't possibly understand the issues like you could." Don't write me, please ladies, don't write me.

Christopher Hitchens: And then if you say "whine, whine, whine," they say that's sexist.

Imagine what Bill could accomplish if he tried to be sexist!

No need to put in too much effort, though, because there are so many reasons to hate Hillary Clinton, and her being a chick is just one of them.

Sadly, Maher's demeaning shtick ruined one of the only times someone (i.e., Maher himself) in the mainstream media acknowledged how slanted against Hillary the Tim Russert / Brian Williams snuff debate was.

Now, can you imagine someone -- especially an iconic, progressive someone -- doing a routine about Obama's ethnicity, rattling off a series of unabashedly pejorative stereotypes about the way black people act and speak? Even to satirize this load of iron-my-shirts misogyny, I couldn't possibly go there. So I'm kinda disappointed in you, Bill. Because sometimes politically incorrect is just plain incorrect.

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Submitted by Davidson on

First, it's insanely infuriating how immune bigotry is to logic, rationality (e.g., failure to apply the same "moody" standards to Obama: One minute he's all about hope, the next he's fear-mongering in mailers).

Second, Jon Stewart pulled something similar with footage of the past week or so, from the Austin debate to HRC attacking Obama's dishonest mailers and mocking Obama's "unity" bullshit. The whole rationale for her lashing out at Obama was left out with the former, and her explanation that one needs to fight the opposition to make change happen was left out with the latter. Stewart then went on to mock Clinton's rightful statement that the media is (outrageously) biased against her--using selected clips from the Cleveland debate of all things!

I generally love Stewart and I know he's taken with Obama (as opposed to cracked out on Hillary Hate), but when even SNL can call out media bullshit and he can't (after Cleveland), it's quite incredible.

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Submitted by bringiton on

comes as a set. He's spot-on about 3/4 of the time, which is pretty good for social satire, and he doesn't speak for me or any other interest group, just himself, so I tend to let this stuff slide past. Lenny Bruce was also brilliant, but about a third of the time he was a complete ass.

When Maher heads down the mysogeny trail I actually feel more pity than anything else, the poor guy is so obviously lonely (he actually hit on Ann Coulter; how desperate for punishment can you be?) and with his attitude it is not a wonder he's still single; no one is doormat enough to put up with that kind of hatred. He's made his own little hell.

Maher does have a blog at HuffPo if anyone wanted to take him to task over it.

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is a roster of 55% feminist female commentators.

Envision what our news coverage and commentary and humor would be like.

How long before we get there, do you think?

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Submitted by TonyRz on

On Stewart's "Larry King" appearance, Wednesday before last, he channeled Maureen Dowd by wondering aloud if Bill and Hillary had a "destructive relationship" and whether B was trying to sabotage her campaign. WTF?

When Madeline Albright was a guest on TDS this week, JS really tried hard (like, Tim Russert hard) to get MA to say that, while a loyal Democrat, the Dem nominee really didn't HAVE to be Hillary Clinton (Albright's repeated preference). He was pretty clearly trying to score another Clinton-Yoostabee a la Russert. (I man, an actual Clinton cabinet member? What a coup, huh??) Pretty sickening, IMHO.

And Thursday, Jon's guest was Brian Williams, who thought during the last Hilbama debate that 16 minutes was too much time for health care to be discussed. I couldn't believe that BW's remark did not make it into TDS' coverage - it's custom-made for the kind of thing they do every night, even during the strike. Then when I saw Brian on Thursday, and that it got not one mention, I figured out why.

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Submitted by Davidson on

Yes, I saw the Albright interview; it was worse than the earlier segments that night, which totally didn't make sense (Even Samantha Bee came off as dumb as hell). He kept hitting Albright with that point again and again: Obama meets the experience threshold to be president, thus, nullifying Clinton's argument against him.

I don't see how Obama is qualified to be president during these trying times (if at all), but there's no way Albright could've said that (She should've said that just about any Democrat would be better than the GOP). However, he didn't allow her to explain why she thinks Clinton is better than Obama, just allowing her to state that Obama would be good enough.

Oddly enough I made sure to tune in to Stewart that night expecting him (or, at least, Colbert) not only to blast the blatant media bias during the Cleveland debate but also skewer Olbermann for becoming a satire of himself for having attacked SNL and Stewart himself (SNL couldn't have been more outrageous); instead he just added to the freakshow.

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Submitted by Davidson on

Albright was on the day before the segment involving Samantha Bee (if anyone cares). Brian Williams was the guest that night.

Submitted by lambert on

Everybody really is piling on, aren't they? And, as pointed out above, the shoddiness of the underlying analysis is proof that it is piling on.

[x] Any (D) in the general. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win. -- Mahatma Gandhi

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Submitted by chicago dyke on

seriously, i'm to the point of wanting to be mean and nasty about it. let's review:

-a progressive activist with long years 'in the trenches' of her chosen issue, working directly with people in need, and crafting policy based on experience of what works

-a teevee personality with hosting experience on such topics as celebrity, sports, Village gossip, and celebrity

-a blogger with years of political blogging experience and in-depth knowledge of policy, voting records, etc.

who are your heroes?

KO used to do sports. how he became "the voice of progressives" is beyond me. are we all so sure that the lovely words that come out of his mouth are his own? or does he have writers and producers and market experts who have designed a "brand" for him, knowing that liberals and progressives are dying for any teevee representation and are thus likely to watch him in droves?

BM is scum, a sexist pig of old. and he's admitted it, over and over. not that one needed him to admit it- every single time (blessedly, less than 10) i've seem him, he says or does something sexist. did he even go so far as to sheepishly end his habit of kissing all his wimmim guests, because one finally called him out on his need to slobber over captive females? and dating mAnn C...jesus, how much more proof do you need he's not "one of us?"

i can go on about practically all the bobbleheads who are presented to us as "liberal" voices. leah will take me to task for this, but once again i'm reminded that the persona on the screen is a construct, and the person pushing the words out is just a doll, a puppet, a crafted and designed image for teevee consumers to absorb, uncritically.

and look how well it worked. you are Shocked, shocked! to discover that the Old Boys Club on teevee extends to not only the execs and faceless suits, but to the boys in the big chair too. wow, what a surprise.

turn. it. off. stop. paying for it. read a book. help someone less fortunate. fuck, go play a video game that is violent. it's a better way to jab at hillary for faults of hers that actually matter.

sexism on teevee is as surprising as wet water.

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Submitted by Charles Lemos on

damned if she does and damned if she doesn't. I wish they stopped looking at Hillary as a woman and started looking at her as a person. A person of accomplishments, a person of flaws. A very human person.

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Submitted by Charles Lemos on

"Don’t write me, please ladies, don’t write me."

I'm a man can I write you?

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Submitted by vastleft on

For those of us who indulge in the media stream, folks like Olbermann, Stewart, and Maher shine out like a shaft of gold compared to the "proper" news folk.

But we're doomed to disappointment if we treat them as heroes.

It's been a tough campaign for heroes altogether. Perhaps the most crushing for me being Russ Feingold's trashing of John Edwards.

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Submitted by hobson on

I'm with CD on this. Why should we be surprised that the media are the media. Maybe I would expect better from Jon Stewart. But I don't like Maher. And as pointed out above, he seems to be enchanted with Ann Coulter. Ugh.

But it also occurs to me that Hillary has made a great deal out of her ability to deal with the right wing smear machine. She was the one to mention early on in the debates that the others were mistaken if they thought it would not be turned on them. And down went Edwards.

The wingers have never let up on her. Any weekend for the last several years you could hear Bill and Hillary bashing on ABC radio here in NY. They were even claiming that John Kerry was a beard for Hillary in 2004. S'truth, I swear. But now she's getting it from everybody.

Can she really deal with it? I guess we'll see next week.

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Submitted by leah on

I couldn't agree more about the pernicious cultural effects of celebrity-dom. Or should I say "dumb?"

My only point, expressed once, is that actors, writers, directors, dancers, anyone whose work gives them some sort of public resonance shouldn't be mocked for the very act of claiming their rights as citizens to be active or activists.

As to Olbermann, he has earned some respect for his "special comments," which do appear to be written primarily by him, and for his focus on the on-going clusterfuck that is our presence in Iraq, his questioning attitude towards the very concept of a "war on terror," and the central place on his show he's accorded to the Bush administration's depredations of constitutional government. I agree that some of that admiration has been led to unrealistic expectations, and of course there is no "one" voice of liberalism.

By the by, writing about sports doesn't disqualify someone from understanding other parts of the world; the great Charles Pierce has been a sportswriter in his time.

I enjoy Jon Stewart, and on the whole I think he is adding something positive to cultural criticism, especially as regards the performance of the press, but there is rarely a week that goes by that I don't disagree with some aspect of TDS's take on particular subjects. Colbert, if you've ever listened to interviews with him, would be the first to say that no one should look to him as any sort of guru. He's a comic actor with the kind of intelligence that makes him able to rise to the level of genuine satire, and surprisingly, that comic intelligence seems to break, most of the time, toward the liberal side of the street.

I'm probably too sensitive about attacks on various kinds of artists, whether they are movie actors, or novelists, or graphic artists, because of the concerted attacks from the right on any notion that those who are active in the making of culture have any right to comment on culture, political and otherwise, unless, of course, they are the culture-haters who have been spawned by the conservative movement. There are reasons for applauding someone like Al Franken, or Tony Kushner, or Russell Banks, or even someone like George Clooney, who is personally quite modest about his own engagement with public issues, but doesn't use that as an excuse to remain unengaged. And I have to say that Mia Farrow's engagement with the issue of Darfur I find to be entirely admirable. On this, she speaks not as a celebrity but as a human being, a woman who went to Darfur, made a connection with the wives and mothers and children there, which has pushed her into repeated return visits, and a difficult schedule of speaking out on what she's seen in venue after venue across the country.

Submitted by lambert on

I forgot today was Saturday!

[x] Any (D) in the general. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win. -- Mahatma Gandhi

Submitted by jawbone on

Letterman? Stupid joke about Hillary's Many Faces of Eve, that that day she was Brunhilde the Dominatrix. WTF does that even mean? Refer to? Click.

Craig Ferguson? Kinda cute joke about Ben and Jerry naming an ice cream "Baracky Road" or close to that. Then the real joke: They couldn't name an ice cream after Hillary bcz "Pralines and Bitch" was already taken." WTF??? Stupid and ugly--served only to place Hillary and the word bitch close together on TV. Click.

Leno's been off for ages--can't recall just why right now. Could be general sucking up to ReThugs or some sexist joke about Hillary. Probably the latter.

KO? You don't need to ask.

Tweety's already boycotted.

But, hey, I've got that 8PM hour back for other things. Good advice, ChiDy.

The MCM is not our friend. There are some reporters who do exceedingly fine work, many who do good work, most just yeoman work, but they get little credit and lot less air time. The Villagers of the Damned Idiots, DC-NYC nexus, get that pleasure.

And the good vibes toward Obama? Probably setting up for the seachange to be ready as soon as he nails the nomination.

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Submitted by leah on

I happened to see that segment just last night; it was nauseating. Harry Schearer should be ashamed, but won't be. I wish Hillary's campaign had time to distribute the tape to women voters in Ohio and yeah, even Texas, the home of the very great Governor Ann Richards, who, one should remember, was very tight with Hillary Clinton, and was defeated in her campaign for a second turn by Karl Rove, on behalf of Bush-fils, who managed a whispering campaign about Mrs. Richards, wife, mother and grandmother, being a secret lesbian, the memory of which should persuade both Obama and Clinton supporters how foolish it is to accuse each other of using Roveian tactics

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Submitted by RealityCheck9 on

deep pocket would distribute several materials: tape of the last debate, prints of the Hillary hating blog entries, MSM wretched columnists i.e. Rich, Dowd, Robinson.

I would make it a sexist issue. I would do it with anger and I'd be a b****. She has nothing to lose if she loses Texas.

I know this is not possible and I know it is anger from which I type. But I wish someone would do something.

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Submitted by Davidson on

I fully realize that misogyny has been one of America's favorite pastimes for ages now, but when we're almost proud of showing that ugly underbelly of hate it's overwhelming, especially since it's so damn widespread it's become routine. However, it's not just the media, but how its message is being played out to extremes online.

I read this fabulous article in the Seattle Times that noted how college students and other young people are taking their cues from the media (and I would add, "liberal" blogs) and how it shows online where misogynistic bigotry has exploded--everything from from Facebook hate groups to YouTube videos.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/cgi-bin...

As a twentysomething, I feel I'm at the epicenter of a cultural radicalization of sorts, one that will easily not only entrench but also embolden anti-female bigotry. Mind you, this is from the demo that's supposed to be the core to a progressive future. That's why it's so depressing to see the media go all out on overt misogyny like never before (and for Obama and other Democrats, progressives to be complicit); their hatefest has gone viral--and the (progressive) youth are reveling in it. I cannot begin to imagine the consequences.

@Jawbone: Damn, even some two-bit late night host can feel comfortable about using a slur to attack the first serious woman presidential candidate.

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Submitted by hypnot on

Bill Maher used to turn up on network television. He appeared to be a jackass with libertarian leanings and some women issues, and he got a few laughs and a few rounds of applause with guests who were more or less willing to play along with him. That was years ago, and now I read this. If he hadn't changed in the interim, why is anyone surprised?

Submitted by lambert on

Stopped listening to NPR...

Mostly stoppped the Times and WaPo...

Basically, I check the wires and the few remaining blogs I trust.

It's a sadness.

[x] Any (D) in the general. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win. -- Mahatma Gandhi

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Submitted by Sarah on

I have no HD capture equipment so can't follow it live but the man does a good job, and I see the archived episodes on the web.

Am I prejudiced?

He's from Texas, he's under six feet tall, he gave three Republican presidents in a row what-for, and he speaks my language. Why the hell shouldn't I love Dan Rather?

Oh, and to all the OBF and LGFers who want to explain to me why I shouldn't love Dan Rather? STFU already, thanx.


We can admit that we’re killers … but we’re not going to kill today. That’s all it takes! ~ Captain James T. Kirk, Stardate 3193.0

1 John 4:18

Submitted by lambert on

Why should I listen to shit like that? I have better things to do. And I especially have better things to do than watching the online face of the Obama campaign leverage it, all the while chanting about "Change" and "Transformation" in unison.

I guess I'm just not "likeable enough."

[x] Any (D) in the general. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win. -- Mahatma Gandhi

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Submitted by cenobite on

She is beautiful, brave and tragic:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brynhildr

In Wagner's tale, Brünnhilde is one of Valkyries; but the latter are formed out of a union between Wotan and Erda, a personification of the earth. In Die Walküre Wotan initially commissions her to protect Siegmund, his son by a mortal mother. When Fricka protests and forces Wotan to have Siegmund die, Brünnhilde disobeys her father's change of orders and takes away Siegmund's wife (and sister) Sieglinde and the shards of Siegmund's sword Nothung. She manages to hide them but must then face the wrath of her father, who is eventually persuaded to seal her in a ring of fire to await awakening by a hero who does not know fear.

She disobeyed Wotan to save the innocent Voelsungs, who had done nothing to deserve death, then she runs from Wotan, with her sisters, set to the one piece of Wagner's music that everyone knows -- die Walkuerenritt, the Ride of the Valkyrie.

Submitted by lambert on

Of course, the irony is that Siegfried is "dumb as a tenor" and falls in love with the very first woman he meets, too.

[x] Any (D) in the general. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win. -- Mahatma Gandhi