Well, I'm going to bed. I have to paint some trim tomorrow! If somebody's tracking the popular vote totals.... And Nebraska...
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12:04 AM 67% - O 26% = 41% margin, 90% reporting. I think I'm about to call it a night.
is already trying to start a new wankfest! So cute.11:28 PM 67% - O 26% = 41% margin, 82% reporting. The word the press needs to be using is "repudiation." And not just of Obama, but also, perhaps even especially, of itself. After all, if anyone believed these guys, why would they even vote? At the most, it looks like the press depressed the turnout.
11:10 PM 66% - O 27% = 39% margin, 76% reporting.
11:08 66% - O 27% = 39% margin, 71% reporting.
11:01 PM H 66% - O 27% = 38% margin, 69% reporting. Bellwether Mason: H 72% - O 19% = 53% margin. Now that seems a little high. Let's not run up the score.
10:36 PM H 65% - O 28% = 37% margin, 61% reporting. Over at Cheetopia, they're reverse engineering the bar to 68%. How long do you think it will take that one to propagate. A whole news cycle? Half a news cycle?
10:36 PM H 65% - O 28% = 37% margin, 58% reporting. And so much for that high/low information shit. AP:
Overall, Clinton was running unusually strong across virtually all types of voters. She even led among many groups that Obama typically wins, including men, whites under age 30, college graduates, independents and the very liberal.
So, even though the percentage of college graduates is lower than other states, those there are voted for Clinton too.
10:18 PM H 65% - O 28% = 37% margin, 54% reporting. A beating.
So, Obama didn't campaign. Does that mean he gets half the delegates, like MI and FL? (Of course, the "did not campaign" is a terminological inexactitude, since he spent a bundle on the teebee, and our famously free press is campaigning for him anyhow.) Looks to me like Barack "No Mas" Obama outsmarted himself, just like in MI, by trying to delegitimize a Hillary win by not contesting it. Hardly Presidential. And this looking ahead to McCain schtick makes it look like the pair of 'em is is measuring the drapes and the basketball court for the White House before they've really won the victory. And what does it matter of Obama's looking ahead, if he's going to lose?
10:00 PM H 65% O 28%, 42% reporting.
9:43 PM H 64%, O 29%, %30 reporting. Nothing from Mason.
9:37 PM H 61% O 32%, 10% reporting. That's the kind of margin I like to see. But I don't know enough to know if it will hold up. Bellwether Mason County still at 1%.
9:04 PM Waiting for speech...
9:05 PM Here we go (NOTE: "Until the last dog dies" sign):
[CLINTON] I am more determined than ever to carry on this campaign until everyone has had a chance to make their voices heard.
Go to hillaryclinton.com...
There are many who wanted to declare a nominee before the ballots were counted or even cast. Some said campaign over in IA and then we won NH... And then we came from behind to win in IN. So this race isn't over. Neither of us has the total delegates to win. And both Senator Obama and I believe that FL and MI should be seated. Under the rules of our party, when you include all 60 states, the number needed 2209. Neither of us have that.
I am in this race because I believe I am the strongest candidate. To lead our party and to lead our nation.
I believe our case is stronger. We've won them in states we must be prepared to win in November ... MI, FL, and now WV. It is a fact that no Democrat has won the White House since 1916 without winning WV...
The bottom line is this: The White House is won in the swing states and I am winning the swing states. Vision for America that rewards hard work, values middle class. Ready to go head to head with McCain and the vision he shares with President Bush.
I am strong enough. You know I never give up. I will stand with you as long as you stand with me.
So ask you Democrats to choose who you believe will make the strongest candidate in the fall, and is ready to ... the office of the President of the US.
Why am I in the race? People who need someone who fights for them. The people who drive 4 miles, who come with the homemade signs, who raise money by skipping a night out... The trucker, the nurse. You will never quit and I won't either.
In the face of the pundits they know what is at stake... They know, they know, they know ... For an economy that lifts everyone up... For all that you can do to own a home and keep.
This election is about whether or not the American dream remains alive and well. This is the core of my life and belief. We do not want to see that dream recede. We know you work hard and we expect that. But at the least you should have a President that's on your side.
[Of course we shouldn't stop!!] An excitement about politics that is the lifeblood of our democracy.
Our nominee will be stronger for having campaigned long and hard.
As we look at the stakes, unprecedented. It is still so close, and it really does depend on those will vote in next contests, and the delegates. I'm asking people to think hard. This is not an abstract exercise. This is for a solemn purpose, to elect a President to turn out country around.
Election is an instant in time compared to the consequences [of the election].
[Shout out to Byrd, the governor, the WV veterans...]
So let's finish the job we started
[Crowd goes bonkers, really, sound completely fails!]
Carville was right; it was a good speech. I don't know if it was Teh Greatest Speech EVAH, but that speech was forgotten in two weeks anyhow, not least by Obama, who gave it, so who cares? She sure left me determined, which I'm sure was at least one of the goals (besides hammering home the "win in the swing states" point to the SDs). Oh, and Fuck the press sideways. Oh, and 2209, with FL and MI, so fuck Obama's self-coronation on May 20. Readers?
(More LOL) Hat tip, Paul for content. 8:28 PM H 56% O 36%, 1% reporting.
Press: Can we go home now? I'm b-o-o-o-o-o-r-e-d. I don't like that lady. Make her go away!
8:36PM Bellwether Mason County is on the CNN county maps, just to the west of Charleston. I want to know the margin!
8:43PM Hillary's victory speech here (live from Clinton HQ). I wonder if Obama will even give a concession speech, even if he is out in MO? It would be a classy gesture.... [UPDATE Haw. I called my shot.
8:56PM Hey, where are the Abercrombie & Fitch boiz?
9:00PM If the crowd were thin -- apparently, she beat Obama 2 to 1 -- I imagine CNN would pull back to show that.....
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They have an all-female panel on CNN
so when they say WWTSBQ
it won't be misogyny!
I need beer. So much for my diet.
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Document the atrocities...
Is Donna Brazile one of the women?
[x] Any (D) in the general. [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.
"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mahatma Gandhi
Re: Donna Brazile-nut
I assume so, but I'm not checking.
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Russert wants her people to
make her quit, already.
And she has no money anyway he says.
(his nose is red--i bet he's been drinking)
and Tweety's hair is all cockeyed--like watching 2 old messes in a bar at 3:45. ; >
on CNN, Brazile's not on air now--they're still saying he didn't campaign there...ugh
Obama Guy On CNN
Claiming Obama would've narrowed the loss had he campaigned in West Virginia. Apparently having twice as much staff, twice as many offices, and running twice as many ads isn't campaigning! Wow, that really is a new kind of politics.
"Do what you feel in your heart to be right -- for you'll be criticized anyway. You'll be damned if you do, and damned if you don't. " - Eleanor Roosevelt
They asked "What does Hillary want?
First panelist (Hillary supporter) "She wants to be President."
Duh!
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Roland Martin
Apparently, Obama is going to win Arizona and a bunch of other red states so we shouldn't care that a state that he gets pasted in a state that has more registered democrats than republicans and has gone blue in 6 of the last 10 presidential elections? Hey, John Kerry lost it, too, so clearly democrats don't need to carry it this November to do every bit as well as John Kerry!
And, it's totally okay that Obama ignored West Virginia because 1) he needs to focus on his strengths rather than his weaknesses, 2) he's going to lose West Virginia in the GE anyway, and 3) he needs to turn his attention to John McCain.
I honestly cannot believe his head hasn't exploded from the pressure to hold in all of these contradictory thoughts.
"Do what you feel in your heart to be right -- for you'll be criticized anyway. You'll be damned if you do, and damned if you don't. " - Eleanor Roosevelt
myiq, MSNBC doesn't believe that--
it's sad. And now only Pat Buchanan is not clearly Obama's campaign staff out of 4 talking.
Martin is a tool--
it's amazing how so many of these people spout the exact same talking points the campaign does.
Jamal somebody (Obama campaign) said Jay
Rockerfeller lost his first election in the state, but came back to win.
No one pointed out Rockefeller wasn't blown out by 30 pts.
BTW - FISA Jay is one of the ossified Dems the OFB
hate, isn't he?
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20-pt difference now
and Hillary got INDs too -- http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/200...
Did Roland really claim Obama would win Arizona?
McCain's home state?
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FISA Jay is their bestest friend now that he's an Obama person
--it washes away all sins, apparently.
Huckabee's a new "expert"
on MSNBC -- so folksy and heartlandish, ya know ; >
Arizona
was among the states Roland listed for Obama that made West Virginia irrelevant.
But then anyone who argues that Obama doesn't need West Virginia because Kerry didn't win it either, may not understand what "winning" an election means.
Barack Obama, as electable as John Kerry!
"Do what you feel in your heart to be right -- for you'll be criticized anyway. You'll be damned if you do, and damned if you don't. " - Eleanor Roosevelt
w00t--as good as Kerry!
ugh.
Olbermann's talking "ponzi scheme" and "pyramid scheme" about her fundraising--unbelievable.
"it has to be taken away from her"
I think early voting is skewing results
Camp Obama really pushes that. Monongalia County (WVU/Morgantown) returns are too.
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60-34 @ 9% reporting
I WANT A 30 POINT WIN!
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Meta from Blitzer
Asking John King if he's ever seen a race where the media keep declaring a candidate out of it only to have her come back and win big in the next primary.
"Do what you feel in your heart to be right -- for you'll be criticized anyway. You'll be damned if you do, and damned if you don't. " - Eleanor Roosevelt
Latinos
I honestly wonder how the supers for Obama believe that he will fare in the GE not only without FL, MI, OH, PA, WV, and having to contend for states like MA, NJ, and CA, but also how he will do this without the Latino vote?* McCain, quite popular amongst Latinos, will thump Obama in that demographic.
Clinton, meanwhile, doesn't need to compete for all those supposedly "blue" states (think: CA, NJ, MA), will take the battleground states, and also can take AR, WV, and even KY from McCain. Oh, and she has the Latino vote on lock down against McCain as well.
Clinton and Obama are almost the exact opposites of each other GE-wise.
*This makes any declaration of Obama recapturing the West so foolish it's sad.
i think they don't care, Davidson--
most are in safe lifetime seats, and neither Obama nor McCain will change things for them or make them actually work, i guess.
They will care in November
Not only will Obama lose in a humiliating landslide in an election year that is the Democratic Party's to lose, but he'll lose Latinos for the party and provides the right wing with the perfect candidate to smear the Democratic party, considering his associations (e.g., Chicago political machine, Ayers), campaign tactics (think: race card), rhetoric, and lack of basic qualifications.
And, again, the GOP and the media will expose how the supers sold out their party's chances to win for $$$ and how the establishment disenfranchised two critical states to rig the nomination. Most people don't know the ugly truth. When they do, there will be hell to pay--especially with women (I can only imagine the backlash when they discover the strongest GE candidate, who just happens to be the first serious woman to contend for the nomination, was kneecapped in favor an all but certain loser, who just happens to be a man).
This Is a Good Speech
Upbeat, but making all the right points to undercut Obama's Mission Accomplished plan.
"Do what you feel in your heart to be right -- for you'll be criticized anyway. You'll be damned if you do, and damned if you don't. " - Eleanor Roosevelt
it is good--and it's very
statesmanlike...
i'm sure Tweety and Olbermann will mock her for the 2209 thing, tho.
(i think she just got new highlights--her hair looks fab)
"I am in this race because
I believe I am the strongest candidate."
She also says that the magic number is 2209
"No Democrat has won the White House since 1916 without winning West Virginia"
"The White House is won in the swing states and I'm winning the swing states."
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Taking on Pundits and Naysayers
Always a winning point.
"Do what you feel in your heart to be right -- for you'll be criticized anyway. You'll be damned if you do, and damned if you don't. " - Eleanor Roosevelt
Latinos won't go for McCain
at least not by a large margin. However, I don't think Obama will get the margin in that demo that will be needed to win in November. Hillary not only will get the margin, but she will increase turnout in that group, probably by more than Obama will get AA to come out. Look at TX 2004 to 2008 primary. Latino turnout was the biggest difference. And that went mostly to HRC indicating that she drove some of the most "new voters" there.
Yes, they will
Especially after the GOP expose and define him. The GOP will paint him as out of touch with Latinos (think: the GOP making use of Obama approving of that offensive UNITE-HERE ad in NV, his silence on Donna Brazille's comments, or his arrogance during the Las Vegas debate on the Latino vote: 'They love me'). Also, his outreach has been horrible, if not condescending (Ted Kennedy campaigning for him, speaking in horrible Spanish*).
Latinos, like any other demographic, are not going to be pleased when they realize he's unqualified, played the race card, and is a total hypocrite. The whole "magic" behind Obama's candidacy is that he's different. Once that's gone, what else is there? Mind you, Obama is going up against John McCain, the war hero and mythical maverick.**
*Remember when those talking heads were, like, "Of course, the Latino vote will come out for him. He's got Ted Kennedy. Latinos have pictures of JFK on their wall next to the Virgin Mary." Chuck Todd made the JFK photo remark, I kid you not. Clueless.
**McCain took a beating from his own base on comprehensive immigration reform. He'll be made to look like a damn profile in courage next to Obama.
yup
"a president who's on your side again"--excellent.
gq,
won't McCain do well in the Southwest? They know him and don't hate him, and don't know Obama at all.
33 pts @ 20%
“I'll never give up, I'll keep coming back”
The wankfest failed.
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She's laying out her GE strategy
She's making her case to the Super-Ds. She's also making her case for staying in the race. Wish she would have given a tougher stance against the media. So it goes.
this shows tho, that all the bs
about it being over is not at all being listened to by voters.
America is worth fighting for !
perfect!
Tweety-- "her version of reality" -- (and she's delusional, in other words)
ugh
Olbermann-- "self-martyrdom"
Fuck the press
If only, if only, we had the media critique. But no. Pissed away for the Unity
Pony
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Got any examples of the identical talking points?
UPDATE When I hear the OFB
use the word delusional -- I remember, with great glee, tagging Bush with that back in the day -- I always think of this passage from LOTR:
Not, to, er, demonize...
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"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mahatma Gandhi
Olbermann sounds just like the Obamabots on the threads!
Same wording. Gee....
Same wording?
Got examples? That would be interesting....
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Amber,
Not sure that McCain is that popular. Hispanic/Latinos are trending Dem in a big way and I'm not sure that McCain can overcome that. However, if folks feel Hillary was slighted (and that will be the GOP line) they may vote McCain, or more likely, not vote. Look at the difference between '96 and '00/'04 for Hispanic/Latino Dem support. It's a huge reason Gore and Kerry "lost". If you tack on a few percentage points to Gore in '00 from Hispanics and it wouldn't have been close. Kerry could have overcome his popular vote disparity with a similarly small shift in that demo.
As I mentioned in TX, I think Hillary's argument is that she will a.) bring them out in the largest numbers in November and b.) solidify for at least a generation, a Hispanic/Latino commitment to the Dems. Obama can't do that, IMO, even with Richardson.
Us latinos want Hillary just as much as the women do, trust me. Friends and family who don't normally pay attention to politics are gung-freakin-ho about Hill.
he's giving $$ to supers, no?
god only knows what he's doing with all of it...he's not winning with it.
MSNBC: She's insane, and making up numbers.
KO now saying the MCM coverage hasn't been that tough on her!!!
And if Obama were in the position she's in numerically, the MCM would be calling for him to get out! Delusional!
she will bring you guys out--
and it's because of issues, not "Esperanza" o "Cambio"
; >
Edwards is pulling 7% (nearly 1/4 of Obama's total)
and he's not even running!
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Edwards gets 25% of Obama....
Which are you tracking? Not CNN....
[x] Any (D) in the general. [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.
"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mahatma Gandhi
jawbone--it's amazing, no?
now Russert's playing gotcha with her speech, too.
I swear to God--MSNBC is on his staff. And she's Svengali now too.
ah! McAuliffe just hit Tweety again--about the "shivers up his leg" thing!
And nothing about this gigantic win at all.
Issues and culture...
We can talk trash about our moms, but don't YOU dare say anything about our moms. Them are fighting words where I come from ;).
I think there is a growing affinity for Hillary and that could lead some to get upset if she isn't the nominee. I haven't seen any polling on Hispanic support in a general.
Pew might have something--
http://pewhispanic.org/
Tweety's very pissed--
and being an ass, as usual.
a minute ago, he said it was over, and now he's bashing McAuliffe when he called them on it.
Hillary's Margin
appears to be more than the all the combined number of people who voted in the GOP primary.
CNN reported Edwards at 7%
but they're not showing it on their graphs.
If you add up Hillary and Obama (64-29) that's only 93%
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lambert--
here's one-- ""We think the Clinton camp has gotten away with a little bit of creating these alternative views of reality," said Plouffe, the Obama campaign manager. " -- http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5isOFw...