WV primary open thread #2

Well, I’m going to bed. I have to paint some trim tomorrow! If somebody’s tracking the popular vote totals…. And Nebraska…


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12:04 AM 67% - O 26% = 41% margin, 90% reporting. I think I’m about to call it a night. Our pet OFB is already trying to start a new wankfest! So cute. [deleted]

11:28 PM 67% - O 26% = 41% margin, 82% reporting. The word the press needs to be using is “repudiation.” And not just of Obama, but also, perhaps even especially, of itself. After all, if anyone believed these guys, why would they even vote? At the most, it looks like the press depressed the turnout.

11:10 PM 66% - O 27% = 39% margin, 76% reporting.

11:08 66% - O 27% = 39% margin, 71% reporting.

11:01 PM H 66% - O 27% = 38% margin, 69% reporting. Bellwether Mason: H 72% - O 19% = 53% margin. Now that seems a little high. Let’s not run up the score.

10:36 PM H 65% - O 28% = 37% margin, 61% reporting. Over at Cheetopia, they’re reverse engineering the bar to 68%. How long do you think it will take that one to propagate. A whole news cycle? Half a news cycle?

10:36 PM H 65% - O 28% = 37% margin, 58% reporting. And so much for that high/low information shit. AP:

Overall, Clinton was running unusually strong across virtually all types of voters. She even led among many groups that Obama typically wins, including men, whites under age 30, college graduates, independents and the very liberal.

So, even though the percentage of college graduates is lower than other states, those there are voted for Clinton too.

10:18 PM H 65% - O 28% = 37% margin, 54% reporting. A beating.

So, Obama didn’t campaign. Does that mean he gets half the delegates, like MI and FL? (Of course, the “did not campaign” is a terminological inexactitude, since he spent a bundle on the teebee, and our famously free press is campaigning for him anyhow.) Looks to me like Barack “No Mas” Obama outsmarted himself, just like in MI, by trying to delegitimize a Hillary win by not contesting it. Hardly Presidential. And this looking ahead to McCain schtick makes it look like the pair of ’em is is measuring the drapes and the basketball court for the White House before they’ve really won the victory. And what does it matter of Obama’s looking ahead, if he’s going to lose?

10:00 PM H 65% O 28%, 42% reporting.

9:43 PM H 64%, O 29%, %30 reporting. Nothing from Mason.

9:37 PM H 61% O 32%, 10% reporting. That’s the kind of margin I like to see. But I don’t know enough to know if it will hold up. Bellwether Mason County still at 1%.

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9:04 PM Waiting for speech…

9:05 PM Here we go (NOTE: “Until the last dog dies” sign):

[CLINTON] I am more determined than ever to carry on this campaign until everyone has had a chance to make their voices heard.

Go to hillaryclinton.com…

There are many who wanted to declare a nominee before the ballots were counted or even cast. Some said campaign over in IA and then we won NH… And then we came from behind to win in IN. So this race isn’t over. Neither of us has the total delegates to win. And both Senator Obama and I believe that FL and MI should be seated. Under the rules of our party, when you include all 60 states, the number needed 2209. Neither of us have that.

I am in this race because I believe I am the strongest candidate. To lead our party and to lead our nation.

I believe our case is stronger. We’ve won them in states we must be prepared to win in November … MI, FL, and now WV. It is a fact that no Democrat has won the White House since 1916 without winning WV…

The bottom line is this: The White House is won in the swing states and I am winning the swing states. Vision for America that rewards hard work, values middle class. Ready to go head to head with McCain and the vision he shares with President Bush.

I am strong enough. You know I never give up. I will stand with you as long as you stand with me.

So ask you Democrats to choose who you believe will make the strongest candidate in the fall, and is ready to … the office of the President of the US.

Why am I in the race? People who need someone who fights for them. The people who drive 4 miles, who come with the homemade signs, who raise money by skipping a night out… The trucker, the nurse. You will never quit and I won’t either.

In the face of the pundits they know what is at stake… They know, they know, they know … For an economy that lifts everyone up… For all that you can do to own a home and keep.

This election is about whether or not the American dream remains alive and well. This is the core of my life and belief. We do not want to see that dream recede. We know you work hard and we expect that. But at the least you should have a President that’s on your side.

[Of course we shouldn’t stop!!] An excitement about politics that is the lifeblood of our democracy.

Our nominee will be stronger for having campaigned long and hard.

As we look at the stakes, unprecedented. It is still so close, and it really does depend on those will vote in next contests, and the delegates. I’m asking people to think hard. This is not an abstract exercise. This is for a solemn purpose, to elect a President to turn out country around.

Election is an instant in time compared to the consequences [of the election].

[Shout out to Byrd, the governor, the WV veterans…]

So let’s finish the job we started

[Crowd goes bonkers, really, sound completely fails!]

Carville was right; it was a good speech. I don’t know if it was Teh Greatest Speech EVAH, but that speech was forgotten in two weeks anyhow, not least by Obama, who gave it, so who cares? She sure left me determined, which I’m sure was at least one of the goals (besides hammering home the “win in the swing states” point to the SDs). Oh, and Fuck the press sideways. Oh, and 2209, with FL and MI, so fuck Obama’s self-coronation on May 20. Readers?

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funny pictures(More LOL) Hat tip, Paul for content. 8:28 PM H 56% O 36%, 1% reporting.

Press: Can we go home now? I’m b-o-o-o-o-o-r-e-d. I don’t like that lady. Make her go away!

8:36PM Bellwether Mason County is on the CNN county maps, just to the west of Charleston. I want to know the margin!

8:43PM Hillary’s victory speech here (live from Clinton HQ). I wonder if Obama will even give a concession speech, even if he is out in MO? It would be a classy gesture…. [UPDATE Haw. I called my shot.

8:56PM Hey, where are the Abercrombie & Fitch boiz?

9:00PM If the crowd were thin — apparently, she beat Obama 2 to 1 — I imagine CNN would pull back to show that…..

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They have an all-female panel on CNN

so when they say WWTSBQ it won’t be misogyny!

I need beer. So much for my diet.

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“We must separate loyal party members from counter-revolutionaries. The first shall inherit our glorious future. The second must be purged from us and history” -Mao Zedong

Document the atrocities...

Is Donna Brazile one of the women?

[x] Any (D) in the general. [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

Re: Donna Brazile-nut

I assume so, but I’m not checking.

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“We must separate loyal party members from counter-revolutionaries. The first shall inherit our glorious future. The second must be purged from us and history” -Mao Zedong

Russert wants her people to

make her quit, already.

And she has no money anyway he says.

(his nose is red—i bet he’s been drinking)

and Tweety’s hair is all cockeyed—like watching 2 old messes in a bar at 3:45. ; >

on CNN, Brazile’s not on air now—they’re still saying he didn’t campaign there…ugh

Obama Guy On CNN

Claiming Obama would’ve narrowed the loss had he campaigned in West Virginia. Apparently having twice as much staff, twice as many offices, and running twice as many ads isn’t campaigning! Wow, that really is a new kind of politics.

They asked "What does Hillary want?

First panelist (Hillary supporter) “She wants to be President.”

Duh!

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“We must separate loyal party members from counter-revolutionaries. The first shall inherit our glorious future. The second must be purged from us and history” -Mao Zedong

Roland Martin

Apparently, Obama is going to win Arizona and a bunch of other red states so we shouldn’t care that a state that he gets pasted in a state that has more registered democrats than republicans and has gone blue in 6 of the last 10 presidential elections? Hey, John Kerry lost it, too, so clearly democrats don’t need to carry it this November to do every bit as well as John Kerry!

And, it’s totally okay that Obama ignored West Virginia because 1) he needs to focus on his strengths rather than his weaknesses, 2) he’s going to lose West Virginia in the GE anyway, and 3) he needs to turn his attention to John McCain.

I honestly cannot believe his head hasn’t exploded from the pressure to hold in all of these contradictory thoughts.

myiq, MSNBC doesn't believe that--

it’s sad. And now only Pat Buchanan is not clearly Obama’s campaign staff out of 4 talking.

Martin is a tool--

it’s amazing how so many of these people spout the exact same talking points the campaign does.

Jamal somebody (Obama campaign) said Jay

Rockerfeller lost his first election in the state, but came back to win.

No one pointed out Rockefeller wasn’t blown out by 30 pts.

BTW - FISA Jay is one of the ossified Dems the OFB hate, isn’t he?

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“We must separate loyal party members from counter-revolutionaries. The first shall inherit our glorious future. The second must be purged from us and history” -Mao Zedong

20-pt difference now

and Hillary got INDs too — http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/200…

Did Roland really claim Obama would win Arizona?

McCain’s home state?

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“We must separate loyal party members from counter-revolutionaries. The first shall inherit our glorious future. The second must be purged from us and history” -Mao Zedong

FISA Jay is their bestest friend now that he's an Obama person

—it washes away all sins, apparently.

Huckabee's a new "expert"

on MSNBC — so folksy and heartlandish, ya know ; >

Arizona

was among the states Roland listed for Obama that made West Virginia irrelevant.

But then anyone who argues that Obama doesn’t need West Virginia because Kerry didn’t win it either, may not understand what “winning” an election means.

Barack Obama, as electable as John Kerry!

I think early voting is skewing results

Camp Obama really pushes that. Monongalia County (WVU/Morgantown) returns are too.

———————————————————————“We must separate loyal party members from counter-revolutionaries. The first shall inherit our glorious future. The second must be purged from us and history” -Mao Zedong

60-34 @ 9% reporting

I WANT A 30 POINT WIN!

w00t--as good as Kerry!

ugh.

Olbermann’s talking “ponzi scheme” and “pyramid scheme” about her fundraising—unbelievable.

“it has to be taken away from her”

Meta from Blitzer

Asking John King if he’s ever seen a race where the media keep declaring a candidate out of it only to have her come back and win big in the next primary.

Latinos

I honestly wonder how the supers for Obama believe that he will fare in the GE not only without FL, MI, OH, PA, WV, and having to contend for states like MA, NJ, and CA, but also how he will do this without the Latino vote?* McCain, quite popular amongst Latinos, will thump Obama in that demographic.

Clinton, meanwhile, doesn’t need to compete for all those supposedly “blue” states (think: CA, NJ, MA), will take the battleground states, and also can take AR, WV, and even KY from McCain. Oh, and she has the Latino vote on lock down against McCain as well.

Clinton and Obama are almost the exact opposites of each other GE-wise.

*This makes any declaration of Obama recapturing the West so foolish it’s sad.

i think they don't care, Davidson--

most are in safe lifetime seats, and neither Obama nor McCain will change things for them or make them actually work, i guess.

This Is a Good Speech

Upbeat, but making all the right points to undercut Obama’s Mission Accomplished plan.

it is good--and it's very

statesmanlike…

i’m sure Tweety and Olbermann will mock her for the 2209 thing, tho.

(i think she just got new highlights—her hair looks fab)

"I am in this race because

I believe I am the strongest candidate.”

She also says that the magic number is 2209

“No Democrat has won the White House since 1916 without winning West Virginia”

“The White House is won in the swing states and I’m winning the swing states.”

Taking on Pundits and Naysayers

Always a winning point.

Latinos won't go for McCain

at least not by a large margin. However, I don’t think Obama will get the margin in that demo that will be needed to win in November. Hillary not only will get the margin, but she will increase turnout in that group, probably by more than Obama will get AA to come out. Look at TX 2004 to 2008 primary. Latino turnout was the biggest difference. And that went mostly to HRC indicating that she drove some of the most “new voters” there.

yup

“a president who’s on your side again”—excellent.

gq,

won’t McCain do well in the Southwest? They know him and don’t hate him, and don’t know Obama at all.

33 pts @ 20%

“I’ll never give up, I’ll keep coming back”

The wankfest failed.

She's laying out her GE strategy

She’s making her case to the Super-Ds. She’s also making her case for staying in the race. Wish she would have given a tougher stance against the media. So it goes.

this shows tho, that all the bs

about it being over is not at all being listened to by voters.

America is worth fighting for !

perfect!

Tweety— “her version of reality” — (and she’s delusional, in other words)

ugh

Olbermann— “self-martyrdom”

They will care in November

Not only will Obama lose in a humiliating landslide in an election year that is the Democratic Party’s to lose, but he’ll lose Latinos for the party and provides the right wing with the perfect candidate to smear the Democratic party, considering his associations (e.g., Chicago political machine, Ayers), campaign tactics (think: race card), rhetoric, and lack of basic qualifications.

And, again, the GOP and the media will expose how the supers sold out their party’s chances to win for $$$ and how the establishment disenfranchised two critical states to rig the nomination. Most people don’t know the ugly truth. When they do, there will be hell to pay—especially with women (I can only imagine the backlash when they discover the strongest GE candidate, who just happens to be the first serious woman to contend for the nomination, was kneecapped in favor an all but certain loser, who just happens to be a man).

Olbermann sounds just like the Obamabots on the threads!

Same wording. Gee….

Amber,

Not sure that McCain is that popular. Hispanic/Latinos are trending Dem in a big way and I’m not sure that McCain can overcome that. However, if folks feel Hillary was slighted (and that will be the GOP line) they may vote McCain, or more likely, not vote. Look at the difference between ’96 and ’00/’04 for Hispanic/Latino Dem support. It’s a huge reason Gore and Kerry “lost”. If you tack on a few percentage points to Gore in ’00 from Hispanics and it wouldn’t have been close. Kerry could have overcome his popular vote disparity with a similarly small shift in that demo.

As I mentioned in TX, I think Hillary’s argument is that she will a.) bring them out in the largest numbers in November and b.) solidify for at least a generation, a Hispanic/Latino commitment to the Dems. Obama can’t do that, IMO, even with Richardson.

Us latinos want Hillary just as much as the women do, trust me. Friends and family who don’t normally pay attention to politics are gung-freakin-ho about Hill.

he's giving $$ to supers, no?

god only knows what he’s doing with all of it…he’s not winning with it.

MSNBC: She’s insane, and making up numbers.

KO now saying the MCM coverage hasn't been that tough on her!!!

And if Obama were in the position she’s in numerically, the MCM would be calling for him to get out! Delusional!

she will bring you guys out--

and it’s because of issues, not “Esperanza” o “Cambio”

; >

Edwards is pulling 7% (nearly 1/4 of Obama's total)

and he’s not even running!

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“We must separate loyal party members from counter-revolutionaries. The first shall inherit our glorious future. The second must be purged from us and history” -Mao Zedong

Issues and culture...

We can talk trash about our moms, but don’t YOU dare say anything about our moms. Them are fighting words where I come from ;).

I think there is a growing affinity for Hillary and that could lead some to get upset if she isn’t the nominee. I haven’t seen any polling on Hispanic support in a general.

jawbone--it's amazing, no?

now Russert’s playing gotcha with her speech, too.

I swear to God—MSNBC is on his staff. And she’s Svengali now too.

ah! McAuliffe just hit Tweety again—about the “shivers up his leg” thing!

And nothing about this gigantic win at all.

Pew might have something--

Edwards gets 25% of Obama....

Which are you tracking? Not CNN….

[x] Any (D) in the general. [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

Fuck the press

If only, if only, we had the media critique. But no. Pissed away for the Unity Pony.

Got any examples of the identical talking points?

UPDATE When I hear the OFB use the word delusional — I remember, with great glee, tagging Bush with that back in the day — I always think of this passage from LOTR:

“These are the terms,” said the Messenger, and smiled as he eyed them one by one. “The rabble of Gondor and its deluded allies shall withdraw at once beyond the Anduin, first taking oaths never again to assail Sauron the Great in arms, open or secret. All lands east of the Anduin shall be Sauron’s forever, solely. West of the Anduin as far as the Misty Mountains shall be tributary to Mordor, and men there shall bear no weapons, but shall have leave to govern their own affairs.” […]

Not, to, er, demonize…

[x] Any (D) in the general. [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

Tweety's very pissed--

and being an ass, as usual.

a minute ago, he said it was over, and now he’s bashing McAuliffe when he called them on it.

Hillary's Margin

appears to be more than the all the combined number of people who voted in the GOP primary.

CNN reported Edwards at 7%

but they’re not showing it on their graphs.

If you add up Hillary and Obama (64-29) that’s only 93%

Same wording?

Got examples? That would be interesting….

[x] Any (D) in the general. [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

lambert--

here’s one— “”We think the Clinton camp has gotten away with a little bit of creating these alternative views of reality,” said Plouffe, the Obama campaign manager. ” — http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5isOFw…

Yes, they will

Especially after the GOP expose and define him. The GOP will paint him as out of touch with Latinos (think: the GOP making use of Obama approving of that offensive UNITE-HERE ad in NV, his silence on Donna Brazille’s comments, or his arrogance during the Las Vegas debate on the Latino vote: ’They love me’). Also, his outreach has been horrible, if not condescending (Ted Kennedy campaigning for him, speaking in horrible Spanish*).

Latinos, like any other demographic, are not going to be pleased when they realize he’s unqualified, played the race card, and is a total hypocrite. The whole “magic” behind Obama’s candidacy is that he’s different. Once that’s gone, what else is there? Mind you, Obama is going up against John McCain, the war hero and mythical maverick.**

*Remember when those talking heads were, like, “Of course, the Latino vote will come out for him. He’s got Ted Kennedy. Latinos have pictures of JFK on their wall next to the Virgin Mary.” Chuck Todd made the JFK photo remark, I kid you not. Clueless.
**McCain took a beating from his own base on comprehensive immigration reform. He’ll be made to look like a damn profile in courage next to Obama.

65-28

that’s incredible.

i’m with you 100% Davidson.

now Russert's saying they never

say she has to quit and that it’s over.

amazing.

I always like to visit boo on nights like this

http://www.boomantribune.com/story/2008/…

“High information voters vote for Obama, low-information voters vote for Clinton. Education levels, race, gender, and geographical location are all better predictors of voting behavior than ’class’.”

Stoopid people making stoopid choices…

If everyone had a degree in Philosophy, then Obama would be a shoo-in in the GE I guess. It sucks to have to work with the electorate you’ve got, rather than the electorate you wish you had.

Amberglow - Don't watch MSNBarackObama.

It kills brain cells!

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“We must separate loyal party members from counter-revolutionaries. The first shall inherit our glorious future. The second must be purged from us and history” -Mao Zedong

More on the massive repudiation

I wrote it up at The Democratic Daily. Something Democratic leaders should be thinking about in November.

[lambert blushes modestly]

I believe that my takedown of that stupid “high information” meme is definitive.

Good morning, Mr. Booman, sir. Double shot? Cinnamon?

[x] Any (D) in the general. [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

Hillaryland

—Tweety’s on a roll.

And they rave about all the supers that switch to him—but —

she’s cheating or something if they switch to her, says Russert.

Olbermann is now comparing her plan to get supers to the 18-minute gap in nixon’s tapes—“erase the tape”

really unbelievable.

Why is there butter on his pants?

He’s…. on a roll.

[rimshot. laughter. A Bob & Ray classic, I believe.]

[x] Any (D) in the general. [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

myiq,

it’s fascinating—truly something i’ve never seen before—far far beyond the trashing of Gore and Kerry.

Wolfson v. Brazile

talk about an unfair match up if ever there was one.

Donna Brazile - one of the best reasons to elect Clinton President is to end Donna Brazile’s role in the DNC.

My area

has a huge percentage of post-graduate degree holders (Santa Clara County/Palo Alto) and we went decisively for Hillary (~15%).

Obama's Drifting Below 30%

Edwards at 7% has more than 20% the vote Obama got and he’s not even still running.

You'd think the voters who

Have been watching the race the longest would make the best choice, right.

IMO, those of us in KY and WV have had a lot more time to evaluate the candidates than anyone else, maybe they should start trusting our opinion.

Speaking of the great people of KY, seen this about an 11 year old Hillary supporter.

When Hatfield presented former President Bill Clinton with a check for $440 after Friday’s rally at the Williamson Fire Station, the man who was once the leader of the free world seemed to nearly come to tears.

“You sold your bike to get this?” Clinton asked the McAndrews, Ky. native.

The reply was “yes” and a whole lot more.

Hatfield feels so strongly that Hillary Clinton should be the next president he not only sold his bicycle, but video games and anything else he could find that “I could make money with” to donate to the former first lady’s bid for the Democratic nomination.

Does Obama have supporters like this?

Bill Clinton for First Dude!!!

Well, in Palo Alto you have real knowledge

as opposed to this “creative class” wannabe shit. I mean, I was an English major myself, but….

[x] Any (D) in the general. [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

markg8, there is an MS thread

Please use it.

[x] Any (D) in the general. [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

If Hillary keeps drifting higher, she might hit 40 pts

for a winning margin.

Obama meanwhile, will finish at or slightly above 25% of the vote. For a “presumptive” nominee, that’s horrid.

Total votes should be over 300k, a net gain of over 100k for Hillary.

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“We must separate loyal party members from counter-revolutionaries. The first shall inherit our glorious future. The second must be purged from us and history” -Mao Zedong

BTD at Talk Left is amazed like me

at MSNBC —- “Chris “Tweety” Matthews, speaking from the ObamaLand that is the Obama News Network, NBC, is talking about Hillary Clinton living in “HillaryLand.” It is one of the more amazing “news” broadcasts one has ever seen. …
The problem that has not passed the lips of anyone on the Obama News Network - the “presumptive nominee” lost by 40 points in a primary. Has this EVER happened? How could it have happened? What does it mean? Nothing to question or concern yourself with this result according to the Obama News Network.
…”
http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/5/13/…

Obviously, now that she can do so gracefully....

… Hillary should withdraw immediately.

Honestly, it just makes me more determined.

[x] Any (D) in the general. [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

so 70% of voters didn't pick "the nominee"?

more?

Nebraska Primary - Tied

While the Nebraska democratic party apparently uses a caucus to select its delegates, like Washington, Nebraska has a primary and it was today.

With 38% in, Obama and Clinton tied at 48%. Hmmm, interesting. See http://www.sos.ne.gov/elec/2008/ElectNig…

Jesse Jackson won SC in 84 and 88,

He ran a good campaign there, like Senator Clinton ran a good campaign in WV. hint, hint, nudge, nudge, titter, titter.

What's your point?

Bill Clinton for First Dude!!!

Aeryl, don't feed the troll

Ignore it and it will go away

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“We must separate loyal party members from counter-revolutionaries. The first shall inherit our glorious future. The second must be purged from us and history” -Mao Zedong

And haven't you

figured out the reply button yet?

:D

I’m sorry but I do like the new indented threads. It makes the convo so easy to follow.

Bill Clinton for First Dude!!!

Primaries....

So, 3 states with both caucus AND primary that ALL show caucuses are not representative of popular sentiment. Not surprising if you’ve ever been to a caucus. Too bad there isn’t a media critique to point this out.

Btw, this low information voter is blogging on his blackberry (not a creative class iphone) as he waits for his dinner date to show. Silly, ignorant me.

Bellweather Mason County, 97% counted

Clinton 72%
Obama 19%

She's at 39 pts and rising at 69%

a 40 pt blowout against a “presumptive” nominee.

Fuck the media.

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“We must separate loyal party members from counter-revolutionaries. The first shall inherit our glorious future. The second must be purged from us and history” -Mao Zedong

CNN is trying to push the wankmeme

but it seems like they realize how absurd they sound.

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“We must separate loyal party members from counter-revolutionaries. The first shall inherit our glorious future. The second must be purged from us and history” -Mao Zedong

Yeah, Even CNN Can't Spin This As Good for Obama

although I’m sure MSNBC will.

Hillary Will Likely Pass Obama Tonight In Popular Vote

if Florida and Michigan are counted (w/out “uncommitted” going to Obama). So once again, she’ll be able to say that more people have voted for her than for Obama in this primary contest. Of course, I realize that the number of votes is no more relevant than voters’ heights.

It's one of the inputs...

… to the SDs as they make a decision.

[x] Any (D) in the general. [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

Grossly obvious threadjacking

… by our house Axelrod employee deleted.

Go home, mercg8, you’re done for the night. Have a beer.

[x] Any (D) in the general. [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

At 92%, she's up by just under 140K in WV

According to the Times she’s currently up by 136,530. The media really did a number on turnout by depressing it. However, it should give her some damn breathing room as she heads to KY and it ought to give Obama (and his supporters who are in denial) a serious headache.

Hillary 67% Obama 26% with 94% of the votes counted.

That’s a 41 pt margin of victory. That is a massive repudiation of a “presumptive nominee”

Does this mean that Barack’s self-coronation on May 20th will be postponed?

Of course not

WV didn’t count! Have you forgotten already? (Damn these ol’ voters, they can’t stay on message! ;-))

That is a massive repudiation of a

presumptuous nominee”

Fixed that for ya… no no, no need to thank me.

The OFB are using different strategies tonight

1. Blame racism

2. Ignore the WV primary

3. Talk about “the math.”

They do seem unusually quiet though.

http://www.balloon-juice.com/?p=10361

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Special election in Mississippi goes to Dem congressional candidate, in solid Republican district … after GOP tried to use Obama as scarecrow to frighten away voters from Dem candidate.

MSNBC and their new pundit, Mike Huckabee, called it earthshaking and a sign of what the GOP is in for this fall.

Kids, it’s a Dem year. It’s Obama’s year. Tonight won’t even be remembered a month from now.

Mister Magoo, aka John McCain, is in for a long five months.

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listen to these shrill idiots gloat over WV when it doesn’t change the math in the slightest.

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Yeah, it’s pretty high all right. What have you guys been smoking? From Hill and Terry on down to you lowly bloggers, you’re all pretending this was some utterly unexpected surprise that has completely upended the whole campaign. Everybody knew this was going to happen. The polls had all been predicting it for months. Now Hill’s pretending it’s infused new life into her campaign and she’s storming the Bastille one more time again, and you’re running the laff track and sending out for munchies. The joke’s just not funny anymore. Quack Quack.

Hillary as Bastille Stormer

That’s a good analogy: the revolutionary storming the prison where the King used to keep his political prisoners… and we all know how things turned out for the King, the Queen and the Prince.

Read what you want in that. But I like Hillary as Revolutionary!

the non-Rachel Maddow on the Rachel Maddow Show

was actually presumptuous enough to request call-ins from Clinton supporters. Of course, he asked one and all, “what does she want?”, as if anyone strong enough to fight for the presidency is only doing so for leverage’s sake, or because she doesn’t want anyone to see her cry and give up.

I’ll call bullshit, and sexism, on this: Would they be so perplexed, if a man was fighting Obama for the nomination? Wouldn’t ambition be described as being a bit less self-destructive, as if power deconditions the hair? Wouldn’t they concentrate on the spoils an also-ran candidate gets within the party, instead of wondering like children wearing big people clothes what in the heck would a Hillary settle for, anyway?

Sheesh, and oy gevalt.

The natural allies of poor and middle-class black people

are poor and middle-class white people.

And we’ve witnessed the wreckage resultant, from the best propaganda corporations could steal money to buy, to convince us they are each other’s natural enemies.

I blame Hillary’s advisors as much as I do Obama’s; the bunraku puppeteers fear populism, in the full-strength, no bullshit, no racism form. It almost happened in California; they destroyed Upton Sinclair’s campaign. It almost happened during the Depression; they built business unions and invited the Mob in. It happened after WWII; HUAC dumped that nasty “let’s go hunt fascists and slightly-rehabilitated Nazis” business, and found Commies anywhere a union had stepped. It could have happened in the 60s, but all it took was a riot or two provoked here, a Six-Day War there, and natural allies fractionated like crude oil in a refinery.

So, here we are, weary of identity politics, but knowing things unsettled never stay unburied. We are now able to face into the wind of so many statements with ’racism’ attached, I’d swear I turned on the ROOTS HD channel. But we aren’t really talking about racism. We are talking about how soundbites are being marketed to us as racism, just as we react to New! Improved! Extreme! Fortified! Natural! Racism is now a unique selling proposition, for all candidates.

Doesn’t matter how the word gets a rise out of us; it cuts through the noise, snaps us awake for the message (often contradictory and bathetic) that we are delivered to. Note how we’re supposed to forget one claim of racism, to process another, until they come fast and furious as if on an assembly line.

This is a process of desensitization, and neither Democratic presidential candidate controls it.

If we are to use any available worker from any nation as a slave, to maintain our comfort; if we are to rent wombs in any country foolish enough to trade safe harbor for our sperm and ova for the lives of their women, and quick cash; if we are to ignore the wholesale devastation of this earth as companies land like locusts on the next cheap place to practice globalization, then we’d better get used to being called racists by the rest of the world. No matter our deep, cancerous, internecine, post-bellum grievances, we will at last be united by the world’s opinion of us as genocides, low-ball slavers, and despoilers of every clean, safe place left to live on this planet.

This is the work of this campaign.

No matter who wins, the corporations win.
No matter who loses, the corporations will take the spoils.

To the corporations who span borders, nationalities and regulatory regimes, we are all niggers, and we always have been. As it always has been, some people already know this, and some face the pain of discovering it, when it’s too late. I wish I could tell you which candidate would make that process less painful. All I can tell you now is that the first candidate who can step out of this frame, and discuss how we exploit others regardless of race, color, creed or national origin will truly be a candidate to fear. Literally.

Because, of course, that candidate won’t be a serious candidate for long. The money, you know. Where it comes from.

That was part of my problem with Obama playing the race card

Not only was it morally wrong to falsely accuse Hillary of racism, it was politically stupid and shortsighted.

Obama and his handlers thought they could generate enough momentum from a big win in South Carolina to knock Hillary out of the race early. If his ploy had worked the way they hoped, she would have ended her campaign on Super Tuesday.

But she wasn’t beaten, and didn’t quit. That meant his race card strategy would inevitably divide the Democratic party.

I fear that Obama’s divisive politics have fucked us for this election.

(and if a Senior Fellow need to edit the comment above,

feel free.)

Nice company!

lambert, 13 May 2008: “the pair of ’em is is measuring the drapes and the basketball court for the White House before they’ve really won the victory.

Interesting choice of words there, lambert.

When have we heard this before? And from whom?

George W. Bush, 26 October 2006: “I know the other side is already dancing in the end zone, except they haven’t made the end zone yet. (Laughter.) They’re up there in Washington already kind of picking out their offices and measuring the drapes. (Laughter.) This campaign only ends after the voters have had a chance to speak. No doubt in my mind, with your help, Dave [sic] Lamberti will be the next United States congressman. (Applause.)”

(Jeff Lamberti lost that election, btw)

George W. Bush, 25 October 2006: “We’ve got some people dancing in the end zone here in Washington, D.C.,” he said. “They’ve got them measuring their drapes. They’re going over to the Capitol and saying, ’My new office looks beautiful, I think I’m going to have this size drape there, or this color.’ But the American people are going to decide, and they’re going to decide this race based upon who best to protect the American people and who best to keep the taxes low.”

Hmm. Guess the Decider liked that particular trope. Didn’t say anything about a basketball court, though.

Who else?

Former California Rethuglican Congressman “B-1 Bob” Dornan, 2 November 2006: “No, Nancy [Pelosi] is measuring the drapes and look at her attitude.”

Rich Noyes of Newsbusters.org (“Exposing and Combating Liberal Media Bias”), 7 November 2006: “[CNN’s Dana] Bash added that Democrats are busy high-fiving themselves and measuring the drapes…”

Interesting company you’re keeping with that trope, lambert.

Just sayin’.

"Just sayin" what?

Did you have a point in there somewhere?

Um,

What part of “interesting company you’re keeping” did you not understand?

Did you notice the names, the quoted language, and the dates? Do I have to connect ALL the dots for you?

Um, yeah, you do

Show me when and where Lambert “kept company” with any of those people.

He used English, was he keeping company with Shakespeare too?

Clinton may not have measured the Oval Office drapes yet, but

It's a common expression

…not partisan-based or in-group language. Your ’connection’ boils down to accusing someone of using words from a lingua franca. The irony is accusing someone of having a connection to someone else because both parties are using terms from the American political lingua franca or vernacular. Your accusation fails even as an attempt of ’guilt by association.’

Whose divisive politics?

“I fear that Obama’s divisive politics have fucked us for this election.

Huh?

Paul Begala, CNN, 6 May 2008: “[Obama]’s got to stop with all the arguments for the Volvo drivin’, NPR totebag totin’ liberals….We cannot win with eggheads and African-Americans.”

Hillary Clinton, USA Today, 7 May 2008: “Senator Obama’s support among working, hard-working Americans, white Americans, is weakening again.”

I’m sorry. Who’s practicing divisive politics again?

I came to correntewire originally because I was gathering information on the abomination that is the FISA “modernization” push. Since then I’ve learned, among other things, that Barack Obama is Satan’s own candidate, that coded sexism lurks behind every word anyone says about Sen. Clinton, and that racism is only relevant in this campaign insofar as Obama and his glassy-eyed sycophants “play the race card” to distract from the fact that Obama is, in fact, Satan’s own candidate.

Right.

Unbelievable.

“The campaign released this statement in response to questions about encounters with racism: ’After campaigning for 15 months in nearly all 50 states, Barack Obama and our entire campaign have been nothing but impressed and encouraged by the core decency, kindness, and generosity of Americans from all walks of life. The last year has only reinforced Senator Obama’s view that this country is not as divided as our politics suggest.’”(Ibid.)

There they go, playing that race card and practicing divisive politics again.

Un. Freaking. Believable.

Obama is the divisive one

Obama played the race card.

He falsely accused the Clintons of racism.

Facts are stubborn things.

On Topic

Yet another attempt at distracting from the big event:

HILLARY CLINTON KICKED OBAMA’S BUTT

BIG TIME, 67%/26%, A 41% MARGIN

STOMPED HIS ASS

CRUSHED HIM

Back on topic now.

She's zombie terminator Hillary

She can’t be stopped.

The headlines at Huffington Post ignore Hillary's WV win

they ask WWTSBQ though.

Wrong

The media really did a number on turnout by depressing it.

Turnout was at record numbers, 60% of eligible voters turned out.

Bill Clinton for First Dude!!!

Turnout was good

Anglachel writes:

CNN is a little ahead of the Times on its count, its numbers being 97% and 232,773. To put this into perspective, Bill got 331,001 in 1992 and 327,812 in 1996, Al Gore got 295,497 in 2000 and Kerry got 326,541 in 2004. Those aren’t primary numbers - those are general election totals.

OK, I can see a loss in a state where demographics favor your opponent, but 41%? Of the front-running presumptive nominee? Who outspent Hillary 2-to-1 and has the entire MSM lined up singing his praises?

And she writes:

Hillary is a presence in this election. People in primary states are turning out in the millions for her and are growing increasingly loyal as the political powers that be refuse to acknowledge the legitimacy of her run and the reality of her support.

Je repete… The WV results and the turnout can also be read as a might Fuck you to our famously free press. And about time, too. Back in the day when the blogosphere had a media critique, this would be hailed as a tremendous victory. Now, not so much. Sad.

[x] Any (D) in the general. [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

Obama's sense of self-respect

I honestly wonder if Obama has come to realize that the Democratic establishment is just sending him out to slaughter in the GE. He knows they’re using him to de-Clinton the party (and he’s fine with that), but maybe he’s starting to finally understand that he faces the likely prospect of a humiliating landslide loss against McCain. That loss during an election year that is all but gift-wrapped for the Democratic Party would destroy any future presidential ambitions and seriously hurt his political career. The man must have some degree of self-respect not to go through with this, right?

Obama Is In Serious GE Trouble

His support among working class (non-AA) voters has been terrible since March. Between Pennsylvania, Indiana and WVA, it’s quite clear he hasn’t put either bitter-cling or Wright behind him (the numbers on Wright were frightening last night and a week ago). He has yet to be hit really hard in a negative way and he’s already damaged goods limping across the finish line. I do not see how Obama wins the presidency if he cannot win Ohio, Florida or Pennsylvania and he may even need to win two of those states. I’m beginning to doubt he can win one.

Clearly, he needs to concede for the good of the party.

I’m only sort of kidding.

Ok, who forgot to close

the bold/strong tag?

We can talk about "significant victories"

But the problem is that these two candidates have split the party electorate a clean 50-50% (and the projections don’t seem likely to change that). It’s too late for either side to get anything close to what could be described as a mandate on the basis of this primary (only GW can eek out a “mandate” with those margins).

A lot of resistance to the idea of “unity” here, but frankly, the party is going to need a big old slice of that, or neither candidate has a hope in hell come November. Hillary’s supporters are enthusiastically pointing out that they are the crowd most likely to jump ship (a thoroughly bizarre boast, but there…), apparently not considering the fact that this really isn’t the best way to ensure Obama’s crowd will back their candidate if she wins the nomination. It used to be the case that they certainly would, but now the threats are taking on a faint tinge of blackmail, and it’s becoming a little less than certain. Understand this, if Hillary wins, but just 10% of Obama’s voters are turned off, she will be beaten handily by McCain. She simply has not commanded leads significant enough in the swing states to be able to survive in any of them without Obama’s voters turning out for her.

As much as it might sting the pride, you need us like we need you.

Considering that 75% of AA

Voters want a Unity Ticket, I don’t think Clinton will have the problem winninng back AA voters that Obama will have winning back non-AA working class voters.

Bill Clinton for First Dude!!!

Not seeing this in 2 browsers?

Which comment does is start in?

[x] Any (D) in the general. [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.

Like I said that was true in the past...

but in the current climate, that statement is fast losing its strength. Clinton will need the SDs to step in for her to win the nomination. I’m fine with that, that’s what SDs are for. But it is going to be a very sensitive issue for AAs.

Look at the prevailing attitude on this site and TalkLeft. It is one that essentially says, “Vote for our candidate or we walk.” It is not a strategy conducive to cooperation. If the AA (and a large chunk of all other democrats) feel that