Yo, Progressives! What part of "health care reform is entitlement reform" did you not understand?

[or was that "entitlement reform is health care reform"?]

Public option! Look! Over there! Sarah Palin! Now with Death Panels! Public option! And a Congresscritter with the audacity to call the President a liar! On national TV no less! Public option!

To be fair to all his observers, Obama, self-described blank screen and pretty good poker player, has been about as transparent as a mud-brick wall on what his designs on plans for Medicare really are.

Except that like everything else, he's been dropping hints on his thinking [or lack of] here too. Surely it was evident that anybody who believes that the Dartmouth Gospel Atlas Project has proven beyond the shadow of a doubt that old people get 30% too much health care was intent on wringing out more than just 'waste, fraud, and abuse' from the system.

Today, Scarecrow, over at FDL, reads the tea leaves in Obama's bestest health care speech evar.

So you'd talk about eliminating "waste, fraud and abuse" in the system. Few would believe there's much hope in that, so you'd add the idea of changing the provider payment incentives to get equal or better care by changing how providers practice medicine. You'd talk about "bending the cost curve" and warn folks that unless we did something dramatic, the Medicare deficits would overwhelm the federal budget and dominate the GDP.

It would be useful to have bipartisan cover for the risks of incurring seniors' wrath, but since the Republicans would be unlikely to participate openly in such a scheme and would rather use it to scare seniors, you probably couldn't count of them. So you'd settle for a small, manageable "bipartisan" group you could more easily control and which would provide at least temporary cover while you put the package together.

Of course, the core of the Democratic Party would never stand for doing this in lieu of pursuing universal coverage, let alone doing it alone and accepting the risks. But you might be able to convince them you were trying to enact broader "health care reform" and then slip the Medicare package inside the broader effort. That would get the Democrats, including the reform-minded progressives, fully engaged in the details of "reform" while continuing to move the main Medicare piece through the more controlled "gang of six."

Noooooo! Obama would never touch Medicare! But how else to interpret this passage from Wednesday night?

Finally, let me discuss an issue that is a great concern to me, to members of this chamber, and to the public – and that is how we pay for this plan.

Here's what you need to know. First, I will not sign a plan that adds one dime to our deficits – either now or in the future. Period. And to prove that I'm serious, there will be a provision in this plan that requires us to come forward with more spending cuts if the savings we promised don't materialize. Part of the reason I faced a trillion dollar deficit when I walked in the door of the White House is because too many initiatives over the last decade were not paid for – from the Iraq War to tax breaks for the wealthy. I will not make that same mistake with health care.

Second, we've estimated that most of this plan can be paid for by finding savings within the existing health care system – a system that is currently full of waste and abuse. Right now, too much of the hard-earned savings and tax dollars we spend on health care doesn't make us healthier. That's not my judgment – it's the judgment of medical professionals across this country. And this is also true when it comes to Medicare and Medicaid.

You can hope that by "there will be a provision in this plan that requires us to come forward with more spending cuts" he means something like "we'll make the insurance companies give up their obscene profits" but what part of health care spending does the federal government really have jurisdiction over? If you guessed Medicare, you get a gold star -- and we may yet be in time to keep old people off the ice floes.

Yes, at this point it's still only a guess that he means to wring further $$$$$ to pay for health care deform insurance reform out of Medicare, but Obama advisor David Cutler, who sounds eminently reasonable on health care, has teamed up with former Clinton White House official Judy Feder to produce the white paper Financing Health Care Reform, A Plan to Ensure the Cost of Reform Is Budget-Neutral.

Ezra Klein posts his interview with Judy Feder today where he asks her about their proposed health care reform financing.

EK: How does a fiscal trigger work?

JF: The idea of a trigger is that one establishes in advance a target for savings in the system, agrees on measures that need to be achieved, track that progress as the program is implemented, and if shortfalls are found, then certain actions are automatically triggered in.

EK: What are those actions? What happens when you pull the trigger?

JF: David Cutler and I put forward a range of options and believe a menu should be specified in the legislation. That menu could include further reductions in Medicare or changes in the tax treatment of employer-based efficiency or a strengthening of a public plan to further competition with insurers.

So yeah, taking a sharpened steak knife to Medicare is on the table.

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well,

I've been saying that for a month of Sundays.

yep

and you are not alone!

you must admit,

it's been a lonely club.

I have to say, I'm concerned that if the lobbyists and staffers are allowing their pool boys to now discuss this openly, it might mean there's enough 'bipartisan' support to get this crap passed.

Well, that was one reason...

... it was important to reconfigure the Democratic Party's base so that people who actually need government to work for them played less of a role. Yay!

"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mahatma Gandhi

you could be right

about the bipartisanshit.

otoh, it could just be that they're so very confident that the left and the left of the left have nowhere else to go and will support whatever they come up with.

no, you're right

I keep forgetting about how PBO has nothing to fear from the small potatoes out there.

we could both be right

for someone who campaigned on govt transparency, obama sure is being inscrutable.

we definitely can't afford to take any of our tea leaf readings conclusions for granted.

Great to see "progressives" defending the elders on this one

Oh, wait...

"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mahatma Gandhi

fiscal responsibility = cat food for little old ladies

to her everlasting credit, jane hamsher was all over this earlier this year, when it was social security that was under fire. headline i wish i'd written: Hedge Fund Billionaire Pete Peterson Key Speaker At Obama “Fiscal Responsibility Summit,” Will Tell Us All Why Little Old Ladies Must Eat Cat Food.

btw, larry summers, just a few weeks ago:

Mr. Summers said the top priority in overhauling Social Security would be to make sure that people could rely on their benefits. President Bush tried and failed to overhaul Social Security, in part by letting people divert some of their payroll taxes into individual retirement accounts and by scaling back the growth in future benefits.

Mr. Summers seemed intent on signaling that Mr. Obama’s idea of “reform” would be to strengthen the program rather rather than to partly privatize it.

But Mr. Summers said the big cost problems for the government are in health care. Reducing the growth of Medicare costs by just a few tenths of a percent per year, he said, would over a period of decades save enough money to fill the projected shortfall for Social Security.

which suggests that not only are we going to save the health insurance companies by cutting medicare, we're also going to save social security by cutting medicare. summers may just have been talking in his sleep this time, but the whole gang of em needs to be kept under the microscope for the entire time obama's in office.

Ian Welsh Had A Slightly Different Take

That it's the young being sacrificed for Medicare:

The truth about healthcare is that Obama and the Dem leadership just want to find a way to close the Medicare “D” loophole, and in exchange for being allowed to, they are offering a mandate. This is taxation by another name (being forced to buy a product you wouldn’t otherwise buy is just a tax), and a regressive tax at that, but Americans don’t want to be taxed directly so they are taxed indirectly.

It is also a crass sell out of Millennials. Old folks will get their “no recissions” and “guaranteed issue”, while youngsters will be forced to buy insurance they can’t afford to use (while at the same time the combination of first time home prices and tuition loans already have them crushed and have priced the lower and lower and middle class almost completely out of post-secondary education.)

He expanded on this in the comments in response to Valley Girl's questions:

Medicare Part D is costing the government a lot of money.

Medicare is currently drawing down the “trust fund”, which means that cash is having to flow into medicare, whereas before Medicare was used as a cash cow.

So Obama wants to close down the worst of Medicare D, to save Medicare money.

However, there is no way pharma and the insurers will let him do that, unless they get their money another way. Since the government doesn’t want to pay directly, and can’t increase taxation anyway, they will pay them off through taxation by another name—forcing people to buy insurance, and by promising Pharma no reimportation and no bargaining on prices. Which is why pharma is pushing the bill for over 100 million in ads.

How do I know this? It’s Stirling’s thesis, not mine, and no one told him it either, but when you look at how they’ve gone about this, the pieces fit. Obama is willing to give up everything, including the public, option, he has bargained with insurance and pharma for his cost savings, and those savings are Medicare givebacks. The various bills have Medicare cutbacks in various forms. Medicare is what he’s trying to, not fix, but patch for a few years.

Cost controls for citizens is not the point, cost control for the government is.

Of course, both of you could be right. Obama could be buying off insurers to close Medicare D and planning to gut Medicare. It would be a classic neoliberal move.

"Do what you feel in your heart to be right -- for you'll be criticized anyway. You'll be damned if you do, and damned if you don't. " - Eleanor Roosevelt

These are not mutually exclusive

I believe this too.

"Patch" == enough dog food. For now.

Another destructive effect of the Obama campaign -- harder to make an intergenerational alliance.

"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mahatma Gandhi

medicare part d was a gift to insurance companies

as well as to big pharma. traditional medicare can NOT bargain with drug companies for better prices, but medicare advantage plans [private insurers] CAN.

i usually agree with everything ian says, and a fair amount of what stirling says, but my take is that people [whatever their age or other defining characteristics] are being squeezed to feed more $$$$ to corporations, and the resulting inter-generational [or other inter-________] warfare is just another look! sarah palin! joe wilson!

Rents, rents, rents

That's the essential process.

No matter what generation. That's the unifying thesis. That's what Obama was hired to keep in place. So far, he's doing fine.

"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mahatma Gandhi

theft, theft, theft

i've come to the conclusion that there's no rent involved in any of this anymore.

I Don't Think That's Contrary To Ian's Take

Ian's take is that people will be forced to feed the insurance companies via mandates and that one reason for it is that Obama wants the government to be able to save money by through fixing (at least somewhat) Medicare Part D. In other words, none of this is a reform effort, it's simply feeding the public to the insurance companies because nobody in the government has the backbone to just stop feeding them government money. They need to provide another host body to feed off of if the withdraw or restrict access to the government. We're that body. Which is why he doesn't care about cost containment - he's not looking to contain our costs. He's only looking at containing government cost.

I don't know if Ian's right on the rationale, but I don't think it's at odds with your thesis that this is about squeezing people for insurers.

Of course, I think you're both right and, having given us over to the vampire squid, Obama will also move to "reform" Medicare and withdraw the small amount of help some people get from government to protect them from the squid.

"Do what you feel in your heart to be right -- for you'll be criticized anyway. You'll be damned if you do, and damned if you don't. " - Eleanor Roosevelt