Righteous criticism of Barack Obama has been made by Hillary Clinton's supporters and others because of his association with people like William Ayers, Tony Rezko, and Reverend Jeremiah Wright. He has also been justifiably criticized for the misogyny, sexism and CDS-fueled abuse that has been directed at Hillary and her supporters from the fauxgressive blogosphere.
But what if there was incontrovertable proof that Senator Obama did not share the beliefs of any of the actual individuals involved? What if he strongly disagreed with the actions and words of Ayers, Rezko, Wright, and the Cheetopians, but merely maintained the associations with them, and/or accrued the benefits of their support, in order to reach the White House? What if he intended to throw them all under the bus once he was victorious, and then govern as a true liberal/progressive?
I hope you would agree with me that if all that were true, he would still be a hypocritical opportunist who was unworthy of the Presidency.
Freedom of speech, religion and association require tolerance for different beliefs and opinions, but bigotry and discrimination are anethema to liberal/progressive ideology. To be a liberal or progressive requires that you have "zero tolerance" for any kind of bigotry or discrimination based on race, gender, religion, sexual orientation or national origin. It must be denounced, opposed, and disassociated from.
The meltdown of Progressive Blogosphere 1.0 is due in large part to major "A" list bloggers turning a blind eye to misogyny and sexism because it helped the candidate they supported. MASSIVE FAIL!
Remember during the February 26th debate when the late Tim Russert asked Senator Obama about being endorsed by Louis Farrakhan? From Media Matters:
OBAMA: You know, I have been very clear in my denunciation of Minister Farrakhan's anti-Semitic comments. I think that they are unacceptable and reprehensible. I did not solicit this support. He expressed pride in an African-American who seems to be bringing the country together. I obviously can't censor him, but it is not support that I sought. And we're not doing anything, I assure you, formally or informally with Minister Farrakhan.
Following Obama's answer, Russert asked, "Do you reject his support?" Obama then replied, "Well, Tim, you know, I can't say to somebody that he can't say that he thinks I'm a good guy," adding: "I have been very clear in my denunciations of him and his past statements, and I think that indicates to the American people what my stance is on those comments."
After some more back and forth between Obama and Russert, Hillary took Obama to school:
CLINTON: Tim, I just want to add something here, because I faced a similar situation when I ran for the Senate in 2000 in New York. And in New York, there are more than the two parties, Democratic and Republican. And one of the parties at that time, the Independence Party, was under the control of people who were anti-Semitic, anti-Israel. And I made it very clear that I did not want their support. I rejected it. I said that it would not be anything I would be comfortable with. And it looked as though I might pay a price for that. But I would not be associated with people who said such inflammatory and untrue charges against either Israel or Jewish people in our country.
And, you know, I was willing to take that stand, and, you know, fortunately the people of New York supported me and I won. But at the time, I thought it was more important to stand on principle and to reject the kind of conditions that went with support like that.
RUSSERT: Are you suggesting Senator Obama is not standing on principle?
CLINTON: No. I'm just saying that you asked specifically if he would reject it. And there's a difference between denouncing and rejecting. And I think when it comes to this sort of, you know, inflammatory -- I have no doubt that everything that Barack just said is absolutely sincere. But I just think, we've got to be even stronger. We cannot let anyone in any way say these things because of the implications that they have, which can be so far-reaching.
A political candidate has no control over how people vote, and can only "reject" votes by resigning. But they can refuse to accept donations from people they disagree with, and they can reject any support or endorsement from those same people. A liberal/progressive candidate must speak out forcefully against bigotry or inappropriate acts committed in their name, even if they had no prior knowledge or involvement. Senator Obama failed to do that.
Liberal
/progressive individuals, groups, coalitions and/or parties cannot associate with or accept support from bigots of any kind. They cannot compromise themselves ethically in order to win. "Winners never cheat and cheaters never win."
You cannot be a little bit unethical any more than you can be a little bit pregnant. You either are or you aren't. If you find out your group contains bigots, you must kick them out or leave.
And you can't wait until after the election either. That's zero tolerance.
(Cross-posted at Klownhaus)
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What is most interesting....
...in retrospect is Obama's response to what Clinton had said. His reaction was that she wsa making a mountain out of a molehill -- that the demand for a "rejection" of Farrakhan's support when he's already "denounced" Farrakhan's offensive remarks was unnecessary.
At the time, I thought that Obama was being too clever by half -- that he did not want to "reject" Farrakhan entirely, and was deliberately limiting himself to offensive remarks, and when Clinton called him out, he treated her with contempt.
Now we know that every statement that Obama makes has to be parsed to within an inch of its life (see the FISA bill -- he did everything he could to indicate that he would oppose a bill with telecom immunity except promise to do so.) And we know that any commitment you think is a commitment isn't a commitment -- merely a promise to "work toward" something....
sorry, i don't agree. i guess i'm impure
this part:
i'd be sofa king happy if the Phonebook Theory turned out to be true, i'd get down on my knees and thank gods i don't believe in, were he to be elected and then turn on the mushy middlers and bigots who helped him get to office.
individual people like us, Little People, should try our best to Do What is Right and live by our stated values and beliefs. but politics is a dirty, nasty business, and fuck me! i'm desperate for progressive change! desperate! so i can easily forgive a pol who misrepresents herself, as long as the legislation that results is progressive. you can call me a hypocrite; i'll accept that label in this case.
I'm not talking about misrepresentation, I'm talking about
association.
"If you lay down with dogs, you pick up fleas."
I want a candidate who can truthfully say "There ain't no bugs on me."
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Sounds like you miss the
Sounds like you miss the HUAC.
Once again, you're talking about government action
I'm talking about individual accountability and ethics.
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I agree
You are exactly correct, myiq2xu. If Obama was lying about his intentions as President, that would demonstrate him to be a leader who could not be trusted. However, more importantly, it would demonstrate him as a leader who has lacks a fundamental understanding of the current political environment and progressive principles. Given the current political state in the US, it is obvious that the best progressive/democratic leader would be forcefully endorsing and extrapolating on the planks of the modern progressive platform. A truly strong leader would not operate from deceit at this point, but from an honest and earnest belief in the principles that so much of the base have been working towards. Obama doesn't need to appeal to evangelicals or moderate Republicans to win, and the fact that he is incapable of properly gauging this fact is a sign that he is not the best choice for the Democratic party. If Obama was truly on our side he would be promising to abolish the funding of faith based charities and be relentlessly attacking the Republican party. If he tried to contrast himself from the Republicans, instead of trying to camouflage himself as a "post-partisan" Democrat, he would be gaining in the polls instead of stagnating. The American public isn't as stupid as we sometimes wish it was, and if Obama came out and explained in an intelligent manner WHY things went wrong in the last 8 years he would have a lock on the election. Instead he has decided to play the game as defined by the Republicans and the media, and he will always be at a disadvantage with the public and intelectualy informed progressives. While I can understand the sympathy for a more deceptive, stealth progressive candidate, this is not the election for one. We could actually win with and honest, forthright candidate if we had one.
Let's remember that in the real world, zero tolerance
as well has been a MASSIVE FAIL that ended up enriching corps like Wackenhut and putting a ton of black people in jail.
[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.
"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mahatma Gandhi
Apples and Oranges
You're referring to criminal law, I'm talking about ethical behavior
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i like both wright and ayers
and have liked obama less for disowning them.
rezko, otoh, appears to be stinkier than pond scum.
What do you like best about Bill Ayers?
That he's a mass murderer or that he got other people to do it for him and escaped punishment?
Just to be clear, I loath Bill Ayers and all that he did to damage progressive causes, all he did to kill innocent people and his own associates, and his arrogant rich-kid weaseling out of responsibility. Just to be clear.
just to be clear
[i had a pretty good reply composed here, but it got eaten. shorter version... ]
nowadays, the annenberg challenge that he latest brouhaha seems to be about, appears to have been mostly useless, but also mostly harmless. so these days he's chucking $$$$$ at kids and learning, which means it's not going to designing pain rays and killer lasers and weaponized anthrax.
backi in the day, me and the vietnam war, we're about the same age, and having political activist parents, we kids grew up with the war in our living room. and on the car radio. so some spoiled rotten, and apparently not as bright as they thought they were rich kids were blowing themselves up and getting stomped and shot and teargassed in riots in faroff exotic places like noow yawrk city -- big deal. why should anyone living here have been afforded any more comfort and safety than those other kids we were shipping over there?
just to be clear.
There is a line between protest and terrorism
Ayers stepped over it when he started setting off bombs. When his co-conspirators blew themselves to pieces making a nail bomb (designed to kill people) that's the "felony murder rule" meaning Ayers is guilty of murder
He didn't go to prison because the cops screwed up. Ayers called himself "Guilty as sin, free as a bird"
On 9/11/01 Ayers gave an interview wherein he said the Weathermen "didn't do enough." He also posed for a picture, standing on the American flag.
BTW - Ayers' daddy was CEO of Commonwealth Edison, a subsidiary of Exelon (Axelrod's former employer)
Money from the Ayers' family paid Obama's salary when he was a community organizer.
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axis of evil: excelon, axelrod, daddy ayers
if puma [or anybody else] were to delve more deeply into that, it would probably turn out to be of much greater service to the public. me, i think we're in for an era of unchecked nuclear power, in all senses, under a president obama.
yeah, i saw that photo. read the quote too, about not being apologetic, and wishing they'd done more to stop the war.
americans / christians / democrats / liberals / [fill in the blank with the group of your choice] pride themselves on being a people who belive in second chances. blowing people up with nail bombs is about as heinous an act [outside of the military] as there is, and ayers jr's second chance was egregiously unfairly bought, but he did eventually try to do some good in the world.
unlike another whose rich daddy bought him repeated 2nd chances: bush jr, who went from blowing up frogs in his early years to blowing up whole nations of people.
But they haven't
We get the talking points only.
Cargo cult analysis.
[ ] Very tepidly voting for Obama [ ] ?????. [ ] Any mullah-sucking billionaire-teabagging torture-loving pus-encrusted spawn of Cthulhu, bless his (R) heart.
"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mahatma Gandhi